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Lore Updates for Nocturne, Vladimir and Veigar

RegisNex1232

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I just finished reading the Nocturne Bio and Short Story. He seems to be a Non-Corporeal being that has Mind, Fear, Dream, Shadow, and Darkness Manipulation as well as Paralysis Inducement even though the Mind and Fear takes time and aren't passive like what was stated.
 
Nocturne's profile does not change much, if at all.

Veigar is the same pretty much. But he created a storm and lightning very casually.

Vladimir gets mind manipulation and idk if it is possession or something else, this is from his page:

"his mastery of hemomancy allows him to control the minds and bodies of others as easily as his own."

Lulu gets reality warping from her own page:

"Lulu shapes reality on a whim, warping the fabric of the world, and what she views as the constraints of this mundane, physical realm."
 
@Lancer Noc actually showed the passives in the story For Demacia and he has type 8 by existing relying on the concept of nightmares
 
I will read through everything when i get home and give a full list of everythign that is going to be added
 
@Assalt He is reliant on nightmares the same way Evelynn is reliant on pain and Tahm is reliant on foibles, the Devs themselves have said so
 
They need to make people feel pain fear and etc to be able to exist. If they stop doing that, they will vanish even if said things still exist
 
Well even in Noc's bio he was dying until he started attacking people in the dream world, so does that count for Type 1?
 
Its more of a weakness, tbh. The same for Evelynn.


Demons need to create the things they need to "eat" and survive. Otherwise, they would just sop existing
 
They dont need to create it, they feed off of it passively, hell Evelynn didnt even have her current form until after feeding off of decades of pain caused from the Rune Wars
 
Its just a form of saying. They sill need to feed off of the things they are born from. Thats a weakness, not Type 8 Conceptual Immortality.
 
not manifestations, just amalgamations of said things. Noc's and Evelynn's lore even describes them as spirits that got corrupted by said things (Or smth like that), Weekly.
 
They can be manifestations without having Type 8 and Mid-Godly
 
By just being born from those things? Even if they're born from those things it doesn't mean they literally embody all of it and are dependent on the existence of the concept. Abstract Existence is getting its own type for manifestations that don't have such things. They need to show it. And jumping to "Type 8 and Mid-Godly" from "they physically manifest these things" is a huge and frankly nonsensical jump.
 
Are the concepts in the verse Aristotelian or Lesser Realist? If s, no, it doesn't necessarily qualify for Type 8.
 
Being a "manifestation of fear" doesn't mean that Noc is "the literal conceptual embodiment of fear". Nocturne was born from (hence he was manifested from) fear. Even then, depending on context, such a statement could be flowery language.

You need a lot more to prove conceptual embodiment and reliance.
 
Kepekley23 said:
Are the concepts in the verse Aristotelian or Lesser Realist? If s, no, it doesn't necessarily qualify for Type 8.
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All conceptuals listed on the page grant Type 8 if they truly are conceptual abstracts. Unless of course you're conceptually attacking them, which nulls Type 8 for all conceptual abstracts.
 
Tahm in particular is so intertwined with the concept of Foibles that his name and appearance change completely not only from culture to culture, but from person to person
 
Doesn't make him a conceptual abstract.
 
Doesn't make them conceptual embodiments either. Should every character that appears differently to everyone apply?
 
@Assalt

I kinda misunderstood what we were talking about. I thought we were talking about Noc's fear hax working "on a conceptual level" or the likes.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Never said they were abstract
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Then they don't get Mid-Godly and Type 8. You have to be abstractly linked to your Concept by either embodying it or being a permenant object of it. If you're just strongly tied to it that means that you are just heavily participating in "fear/foible-ness". But that in and of itself doesn't give you any powers.
 
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