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Can anyone help tag a lord of the rings supporter here, my friend has added P and A here it even exists : https://vsbattles.com/threads/additional-advance-some-ability-existence-for-iluvatar.145912/
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Are there moderators and members here who can help me, especially for Antvasima, Dread, Tyranno223 and others.Can anyone help tag a lord of the rings supporter here, my friend has added P and A here it even exists : https://vsbattles.com/threads/additional-advance-some-ability-existence-for-iluvatar.145912/
It seems like he vandalised pages and was blocked for it.Fortzy62782
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The tiers and statistics are fine. I do have potential changes to the Ainur that might affect Eru's page, but that will come later (namely potentially 5d Ainur in their origin and immeasurable speed).Thank you for helping out.
Do you think that our current version of Eru's page is acceptable, or does it need to be adjusted further in terms of content?
Source references would obviously be highly preferable to add.
I can do that for the scans some time this week I believe.Okay. Would you be willing to insert References into Eru's page?
If Eru 6D Automatic = 1-C in the post Eru really should get 1-C not Low 1-C.Just typing this here to address the idea that Eru "hijacking" Tolkien's work gets him into higher tiers. This interpretation comes from the line in 192 that "The Other Power then took over: the Writer of the Story (by which I do not mean myself), 'that one ever-present Person who is never absent and never named". Here it appears that Eru/God took over Tolkien's work, with this post argues that Tolkien/Author is 5d and that Eru should be 6d for being an author above him. However, while Eru/God is the ultimate creator within Tolkien's cosmology, this argument frankly misunderstands the relationship between God and author.
In Tolkien's own words, God, or in this case Eru, is the one and only creator. From this comes creations and sub-creators, wherein creations, like Tolkien himself (within the context of this verse) have created sub-creations like LOTR, becoming sub-creators.
Tolkien is logically below God Almighty, but this does not really have too much of a direct effect as there is no equal language of qualitative transcendence for the relationship between sub-creator and creator. Of course, it might/likely exists in the Catholic context/thought Tolkien was writing in, but using such religious contexts outside of directly mentioned things is not allowed in this wiki, and even mentioned religious contexts seem to be iffy. The most this might get is an "at least" from Eru > sub-creator = 5d > Eä (a 4d universe) and other sub-creations.
Also, in case Omnipotence is brought up as an example of transcendence, being infinitely more powerful than anyone within your tier does not make you a tier higher once it comes to stuff like tier 2 or 1.
See Letter 153
"We differ entirely about the nature of the relation of sub-creation to Creation. I should have said that liberation "from the channels the creator is known to have used already" is the fundamental function of "sub-creation", a tribute to the infinity of His potential variety [...] I am not a metaphysician; but I should have thought it a curious metaphysics — there is not one but many, indeed potentially innumerable ones — that declared the channels known (in such a finite corner as we have any inkling of) to have been used, are the only possible ones, or efficacious, or possibly acceptable to and by Him!" - Letter 153
In response to a comment from Peter Hastings regarding the reincarnation of Tolkien's Elves
"God has not used that device in any of the creations of which we have knowledge, and it seems to me to be stepping beyond the position of a sub-creator to produce it as an actual working thing, because a sub-creator, when dealing with the relations between creator and created, should use those channels which he knows the creator to have used already"
my friend said in reply to his thread post, because he himself wanted to refute.Just typing this here to address the idea that Eru "hijacking" Tolkien's work gets him into higher tiers. This interpretation comes from the line in 192 that "The Other Power then took over: the Writer of the Story (by which I do not mean myself), 'that one ever-present Person who is never absent and never named". Here it appears that Eru/God took over Tolkien's work, with this post argues that Tolkien/Author is 5d and that Eru should be 6d for being an author above him. However, while Eru/God is the ultimate creator within Tolkien's cosmology, this argument frankly misunderstands the relationship between God and author.
In Tolkien's own words, God, or in this case Eru, is the one and only creator. From this comes creations and sub-creators, wherein creations, like Tolkien himself (within the context of this verse) have created sub-creations like LOTR, becoming sub-creators.
Tolkien is logically below God Almighty, but this does not really have too much of a direct effect as there is no equal language of qualitative transcendence for the relationship between sub-creator and creator. Of course, it might/likely exists in the Catholic context/thought Tolkien was writing in, but using such religious contexts outside of directly mentioned things is not allowed in this wiki, and even mentioned religious contexts seem to be iffy. The most this might get is an "at least" from Eru > sub-creator = 5d > Eä (a 4d universe) and other sub-creations.
Also, in case Omnipotence is brought up as an example of transcendence, being infinitely more powerful than anyone within your tier does not make you a tier higher once it comes to stuff like tier 2 or 1.
See Letter 153
"We differ entirely about the nature of the relation of sub-creation to Creation. I should have said that liberation "from the channels the creator is known to have used already" is the fundamental function of "sub-creation", a tribute to the infinity of His potential variety [...] I am not a metaphysician; but I should have thought it a curious metaphysics — there is not one but many, indeed potentially innumerable ones — that declared the channels known (in such a finite corner as we have any inkling of) to have been used, are the only possible ones, or efficacious, or possibly acceptable to and by Him!" - Letter 153
In response to a comment from Peter Hastings regarding the reincarnation of Tolkien's Elves
"God has not used that device in any of the creations of which we have knowledge, and it seems to me to be stepping beyond the position of a sub-creator to produce it as an actual working thing, because a sub-creator, when dealing with the relations between creator and created, should use those channels which he knows the creator to have used already"
Why bro? even though I don't cover all the important knowledge I can help everyone if you don't believe me, how do we do it (Private Debate)Thedent, please stop posting in this thread. You do not seem knowledgeable enough, and are derailing our progress.
mate, can you move this refute to my thread, please?. i'll be response that refute later (after my occupation is over), thanks.Just typing this here to address the idea that Eru "hijacking" Tolkien's work gets him into higher tiers. This interpretation comes from the line in 192 that "The Other Power then took over: the Writer of the Story (by which I do not mean myself), 'that one ever-present Person who is never absent and never named". Here it appears that Eru/God took over Tolkien's work, with this post argues that Tolkien/Author is 5d and that Eru should be 6d for being an author above him. However, while Eru/God is the ultimate creator within Tolkien's cosmology, this argument frankly misunderstands the relationship between God and author.
In Tolkien's own words, God, or in this case Eru, is the one and only creator. From this comes creations and sub-creators, wherein creations, like Tolkien himself (within the context of this verse) have created sub-creations like LOTR, becoming sub-creators.
Tolkien is logically below God Almighty, but this does not really have too much of a direct effect as there is no equal language of qualitative transcendence for the relationship between sub-creator and creator. Of course, it might/likely exists in the Catholic context/thought Tolkien was writing in, but using such religious contexts outside of directly mentioned things is not allowed in this wiki, and even mentioned religious contexts seem to be iffy. The most this might get is an "at least" from Eru > sub-creator = 5d > Eä (a 4d universe) and other sub-creations.
Also, in case Omnipotence is brought up as an example of transcendence, being infinitely more powerful than anyone within your tier does not make you a tier higher once it comes to stuff like tier 2 or 1.
See Letter 153
"We differ entirely about the nature of the relation of sub-creation to Creation. I should have said that liberation "from the channels the creator is known to have used already" is the fundamental function of "sub-creation", a tribute to the infinity of His potential variety [...] I am not a metaphysician; but I should have thought it a curious metaphysics — there is not one but many, indeed potentially innumerable ones — that declared the channels known (in such a finite corner as we have any inkling of) to have been used, are the only possible ones, or efficacious, or possibly acceptable to and by Him!" - Letter 153
In response to a comment from Peter Hastings regarding the reincarnation of Tolkien's Elves
"God has not used that device in any of the creations of which we have knowledge, and it seems to me to be stepping beyond the position of a sub-creator to produce it as an actual working thing, because a sub-creator, when dealing with the relations between creator and created, should use those channels which he knows the creator to have used already"
This is the general revision board. moving threads isn't really going to change much of anything but sure.mate, can you move this refute to my thread, please?. i'll be response that refute later (after my occupation is over), thanks.
Okay. No problem. Aside from @TheMerchant66 and @Moonshadow137 , which other knowledgeable members have helped out here previously?Antavisma, for the record I'm going to be busy for the week with some stuff, so I'll hopefully have the references done sometime during late next week, or the week after.
@Tyranno223 @TheMerchant66 @Moonshadow137 @Hellbeast @DreadI want to complain why on this link: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lord_of_the_Rings lord of the rings is still 2-C should be Low 1-C
I can fix the issues. Thanks for bringing this issue to my attention.@Tyranno223 @TheMerchant66 @Moonshadow137 @Hellbeast @Dread
Are any of you be willing and able to properly handle it please?
The rating should stay same as Ainur is still low 2-C.I want to complain why on this link: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lord_of_the_Rings lord of the rings is still 2-C should be Low 1-C
I added additional information for Eru. But low 2-C/2-C rating is for other character and should not be effected.Thank you for helping out, and no problem.
I don't remember this. Mind sharing me the post link?I want to ask all of you, do we all have to revise the Valar and Ainur?
There isn't any current revision for the Ainur. There is a potential downgrade from Low 2-C due to their view of the universe as a drama being poetic not literal (although I have a defense for their tier from other materials). There is also a Low 1-C argument I will make.I don't remember this. Mind sharing me the post link?
Sorry. It was already unlocked.Okay. Just exactly follow the instructions in the page that I linked to. Then it should work out fine.
See here as well:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Standard_Format_for_Character_Profiles#References
No, it does not. Show me scans if you don't mind.I just made this for fun, Eru precedes reality (What is meant is Eä and all existing and non-existent realities), and is a nameless entity whose existence no one can understand and exists outside of duality (Because Eru exists outside the Timeless Halls because he is in a higher realm like Tolkien he can interact with.) created by boundaries, not limited by concepts.
This will make Eru get Nep Type 2 and Transduality Type 2, I think this makes sense.
Maybe I will collect his feats, my friends and I are very sure that Eru will get Transduality Type 2No, it does not. Show me scans if you don't mind.