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maybe something like likely far higher (Comparable/Superior/Whatever to Morgoth's Ainur, who would have likely been capable of destroying the Moon in a small amount of time), feel free to tweak to your heart's content
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Superior should work as Tilion fought them all off at once. Balrogs also being superior to them.
I'll tweak it and then link the necessary profiles that need unlocking later.
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These are the pages that need unlocking. Thanks.
Tilion
Balrogs
Gothmog
Gandalf
Saruman
Sauron
Arien
Tilion's justification (Personally feels a bit wordy)
Balrog justification
Tilion
Balrogs
Gothmog
Gandalf
Saruman
Sauron
Arien
Tilion's justification (Personally feels a bit wordy)
- Tilion defeated the dark spirits that Morgoth sent to assault the Moon. As Morgoth's main concern at the time was removing the Sun and Moon from the sky, these spirits were likely capable of destroying the Moon within a relatively short period. However, as it is unknown how many spirits there were and the exact amount of time they would have taken, this feat cannot be quantified
Balrog justification
- Stronger than the spirits sent to destroy the Moon over an unknown period of time.
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How? Do we have to discuss this?
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For the last bit? No, that's a Staff only thread.
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Could these pages be unlocked please?I am glad that you are all trying to get along.
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Bump. It would probably be wise to make a third thread as this one is getting quite long.
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It is better to ask our content moderators to help out with these types of tasks.
However, if you list the exactly worded titles for the pages that you need unlocked in regular text format, my mass-unlocking script can probably handle it when I find the time.
However, if you list the exactly worded titles for the pages that you need unlocked in regular text format, my mass-unlocking script can probably handle it when I find the time.
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Oh, sorry. Did you want them without links?
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Thank you. I'll work on them after sleeping.However, I have unlocked the pages that you listed anyway now.
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Yes, and the full titles for all of the pages.
Okay. No problem. Sleep well.
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The pages don't seem to be unlocked. They should be listed properly now:Okay. No problem. Sleep well.
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Sorry about the bother. For the future, where can I find a list of the Content Moderators?
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𝗛𝗲𝗹𝗹𝗼, 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗶𝘀 𝗮𝗻 𝗲𝘃𝗮𝗹𝘂𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗺𝗲, 𝗶𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗲𝗿𝗿𝗼𝗿𝘀, 𝗽𝗹𝗲𝗮𝘀𝗲 𝗯𝗲 𝗰𝗼𝗿𝗿𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗲𝗱. 𝗙𝗿𝗼𝗺 𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗜 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝗱𝗲𝘀𝗰𝗿𝗶𝗯𝗲𝗱, 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝗶𝘀 𝗮𝗻 𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗿𝗲𝗹𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀𝗵𝗶𝗽 𝘄𝗶 𝘁𝗵 𝗲𝗮𝗰𝗵 𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿.
『 Ainur Physiologic 』
For continuity from the Independent Physiological side presented by the Ainur itself, there will be basic knowledge about similar things which will be interpreted for a moment.
Ainur, is another name for Angel or Holy - They (Ainur) are the holiest and strongest creatures ever created by the divine thought of Ilúvatar, namely the One God. The Ainur have every basic aspect in the biological context, and the same authority, contained by the reason they were created accordingly from The Imperishable Flame, from which all the fundamental factors of the Ainur were created; [ ].
『 Attack Potency & Durability 』
Arda is an infinite spatial structure and is present in Eä. Each "Ainur" has a vision to create the interior of Eä, which is Arda. In Ainulindalë (described in Terminology), all the Ainur play countless rhythms, and heed every note and rhythm forever–the music they sing is the best reason for the emergence of this infinite Space, their musical product [ https:// imgur.com/a/ucyIgsl ] named as; Eä. The correlation in question is; The Ainur play every piece of music on the Ainulindalë which gives rise to Space, until that Space expands to infinity (its quantity) – Eä itself exists as a Universe ( 1 ) that holds infinite structure ( ∞ ) [ ] — every Ainur adorns every Interior of Eä with his Rhythm.
It is proven that each Ainur has the task of creating the interior of Eä together, but how can they be classified as H3A (through the Attack Potency they have) because they realize it simultaneously? The answer to this statement is quite simple, this is the same as when Infinite is divided by a natural number (even much more than the number of Ainur participating) then the result will still be infinite, simply put, Infinite is something that cannot be represented by a line. -Number.
And to fulfill the Terms and Criteria for the Creation feat to be classified as Attack Potency is very easy, the requirements themselves must be equal, in terms of Energy Input (Creation - Destruction) - Ainur applies his strength always with his base element (Imperishable Flame) as his own form which is displayed in Ainur Physiology too, meaning they input unlimited amounts of energy too, the actual example itself is in the case of Morgoth (One of the Ainur), the music sung as a realization of Eä's own Interior is the source of his self [ https:/ /imgur.com/a/ucyIgsl ]
• Conclusion
Attack Potency (Applies to all Ainur): High Universal Level or H3A.
Durability; Scale to Attack Potency [ Comparable to attack potency. Having a strong attack potency required a strong durability as well as to accommodate the power of his blow, otherwise his physique Will be destroyed or unable to withstand's strong attack potency. Newton's third law states that when two bodies interact, they apply forces to one another that are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction. The third law is also known as the law of action and reaction, scaling to AP can be done because the Ainur's AP itself is based on its energy source] — (Applies to all Ainur): High Universal Level or H3A.
「 Additional 」
• Acausality Type; 1, 2 , 4 and Unbounded by Time [ 4 ].
This has been explained in segmentation; Attack Potency and Ainur Physiology, but we will touch on this again.
– Ainulindalë
Transcendental beings have a physiology that is disconnected from Ainulindalë. Ainulindalë is a theme presented by the Ainur, which would represent Eä [ Quenya language; Universe ] along with its interiors. Eä contains abstract concepts (like time), reality, material conceptions, and also has a Causal Principle. It is stated that this happened because he was outside Eä–but thought of the whole of Eä, which was focused on himself who existed before Eä's existence and had all historical knowledge regarding Eä. Humans, elves, and dwarves are mortal creatures – so they exist in mortal locations. Ilúvatar, Ainur is a transcendent being who exists independently of Eä, that is, outside of it. Interact freely with each other.
– Scans:
[ https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Tim...less Halls are the,the Abyss to the Firmament. ] . [ https://gyazo.com/fdceeef62137718d0f3c1dbbd4e24f54; Nature of Middle-Eart: The Primal Impulse ] . [ https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Eä ] . [ ].
• The Voice of Ainur [ 5 ].
The Ainur's voice can encompass Ilúvatar's Timeless Hall - which is heaven, and it even penetrates the void. The structure of Heaven in general must be very large, it cannot be below 4km, and the Ainur's voice reaches outside the structure (Void). It had at least enough range to influence the entirety of the Null Realm Arena, which was at least 4km wide.
[ https://gyazo.com/b74f65dafcd8f17568f1440c192ebfbc – https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Timeless_Halls ]
(Note; the assumption based on heaven in "a religion" is also relevant with its structure being able to cover at least 9.1km [ https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Letter_142 ] )
『 Additional 』
Bypass Causality Manipulation (All Ainur).
Flame Imperishable is completely independent of the concept of causality. As mentioned, the Imperishable Flame existed with Eru during the initial time conditions of creation (Eru disconnection), and on that basis the Ainur were able to create life; “Only through the Imperishable Flame can something that has substance or life be created from nothing.” Imperishable Flame is the basis of all mystical gifts. The Ainur's existence is the Imperishable Flame, and as stated, everything that is realized is based on the Imperishable Flame; "Only a being animated with the Secret Fire can have its own true life and free will".
[ https://tolkiengateway-net.translat...tr_sl=en&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=id&_x_tr_pto=tc ] [ Acausality Type; 4 Explanation ] [ Ainur Physiologic ].
『 Ainur Physiologic 』
For continuity from the Independent Physiological side presented by the Ainur itself, there will be basic knowledge about similar things which will be interpreted for a moment.
Ainur, is another name for Angel or Holy - They (Ainur) are the holiest and strongest creatures ever created by the divine thought of Ilúvatar, namely the One God. The Ainur have every basic aspect in the biological context, and the same authority, contained by the reason they were created accordingly from The Imperishable Flame, from which all the fundamental factors of the Ainur were created; [ ].
『 Attack Potency & Durability 』
Arda is an infinite spatial structure and is present in Eä. Each "Ainur" has a vision to create the interior of Eä, which is Arda. In Ainulindalë (described in Terminology), all the Ainur play countless rhythms, and heed every note and rhythm forever–the music they sing is the best reason for the emergence of this infinite Space, their musical product [ https:// imgur.com/a/ucyIgsl ] named as; Eä. The correlation in question is; The Ainur play every piece of music on the Ainulindalë which gives rise to Space, until that Space expands to infinity (its quantity) – Eä itself exists as a Universe ( 1 ) that holds infinite structure ( ∞ ) [ ] — every Ainur adorns every Interior of Eä with his Rhythm.
It is proven that each Ainur has the task of creating the interior of Eä together, but how can they be classified as H3A (through the Attack Potency they have) because they realize it simultaneously? The answer to this statement is quite simple, this is the same as when Infinite is divided by a natural number (even much more than the number of Ainur participating) then the result will still be infinite, simply put, Infinite is something that cannot be represented by a line. -Number.
And to fulfill the Terms and Criteria for the Creation feat to be classified as Attack Potency is very easy, the requirements themselves must be equal, in terms of Energy Input (Creation - Destruction) - Ainur applies his strength always with his base element (Imperishable Flame) as his own form which is displayed in Ainur Physiology too, meaning they input unlimited amounts of energy too, the actual example itself is in the case of Morgoth (One of the Ainur), the music sung as a realization of Eä's own Interior is the source of his self [ https:/ /imgur.com/a/ucyIgsl ]
• Conclusion
Attack Potency (Applies to all Ainur): High Universal Level or H3A.
Durability; Scale to Attack Potency [ Comparable to attack potency. Having a strong attack potency required a strong durability as well as to accommodate the power of his blow, otherwise his physique Will be destroyed or unable to withstand's strong attack potency. Newton's third law states that when two bodies interact, they apply forces to one another that are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction. The third law is also known as the law of action and reaction, scaling to AP can be done because the Ainur's AP itself is based on its energy source] — (Applies to all Ainur): High Universal Level or H3A.
「 Additional 」
• Acausality Type; 1, 2 , 4 and Unbounded by Time [ 4 ].
This has been explained in segmentation; Attack Potency and Ainur Physiology, but we will touch on this again.
– Ainulindalë
Transcendental beings have a physiology that is disconnected from Ainulindalë. Ainulindalë is a theme presented by the Ainur, which would represent Eä [ Quenya language; Universe ] along with its interiors. Eä contains abstract concepts (like time), reality, material conceptions, and also has a Causal Principle. It is stated that this happened because he was outside Eä–but thought of the whole of Eä, which was focused on himself who existed before Eä's existence and had all historical knowledge regarding Eä. Humans, elves, and dwarves are mortal creatures – so they exist in mortal locations. Ilúvatar, Ainur is a transcendent being who exists independently of Eä, that is, outside of it. Interact freely with each other.
– Scans:
[ https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Tim...less Halls are the,the Abyss to the Firmament. ] . [ https://gyazo.com/fdceeef62137718d0f3c1dbbd4e24f54; Nature of Middle-Eart: The Primal Impulse ] . [ https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Eä ] . [ ].
• The Voice of Ainur [ 5 ].
The Ainur's voice can encompass Ilúvatar's Timeless Hall - which is heaven, and it even penetrates the void. The structure of Heaven in general must be very large, it cannot be below 4km, and the Ainur's voice reaches outside the structure (Void). It had at least enough range to influence the entirety of the Null Realm Arena, which was at least 4km wide.
[ https://gyazo.com/b74f65dafcd8f17568f1440c192ebfbc – https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Timeless_Halls ]
(Note; the assumption based on heaven in "a religion" is also relevant with its structure being able to cover at least 9.1km [ https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Letter_142 ] )
『 Additional 』
Bypass Causality Manipulation (All Ainur).
Flame Imperishable is completely independent of the concept of causality. As mentioned, the Imperishable Flame existed with Eru during the initial time conditions of creation (Eru disconnection), and on that basis the Ainur were able to create life; “Only through the Imperishable Flame can something that has substance or life be created from nothing.” Imperishable Flame is the basis of all mystical gifts. The Ainur's existence is the Imperishable Flame, and as stated, everything that is realized is based on the Imperishable Flame; "Only a being animated with the Secret Fire can have its own true life and free will".
[ https://tolkiengateway-net.translat...tr_sl=en&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=id&_x_tr_pto=tc ] [ Acausality Type; 4 Explanation ] [ Ainur Physiologic ].
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Could you post this to the discussion thread? That's were stuff like this is for. I'm actually planning to begin working on abilities and physiology after one last stat revision.
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Finished! Many thanks.@GarrixianXD locked them all. I will unlock them again.
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Applying the accepted 9-B calc to the scaling. I will be making a new thread and I'll link it here when it's open.
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Made the new thread. This can be closed.
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