Eh, there is an element to which hosting profiles that are fictional representations of very controversial real-life figures adds very limited value to the wiki and comes with quite a lot of risk.
It's not about the quantity of story. You're not addressing the crux of the issue.
Do you think James Ellsworth is anywhere near as much of a [REDACTED] IRL as he is in WWE?
people are likely still going to complain about it to the point where it's not an issue to just allow it. it harms no one and ultimately makes the wiki more popular, as it allows people who like scaling stage personas to pitch in and help
This is an absurd comparison.
We can just make a discussion rule.
Should all of the movies produced by WWE Studios never get profiles and be automatically deleted if someone does try to make them? They get a lot of their Pro Wrestling folks involved in them, so that means they're using stage personas, right?
Is it not true? Harrison Ford is a historically not so great actor outside of roles designed for him
It has no relevance to the discussion at hand.
It will prevent any further CRTs on the matter, and it's not like the complaining matters.
But it has to be a stage persona right? Ford is acting as he normally would!
well at that point you're refusing to comply with user demand. which isn't really a good thing, mind you. and would rather go by outdated rules that have been and will continue to be broken as time goes on. the rule might as well not exist as we have TONS of profiles that go against the rule.
That's extremely nitpicky.
Just make a thread on it dude, this seems like a thing you're passionate on
User demand is simply not how this works, and for good reason.
Belaboring this point serves no purpose. It's just a bad comparison.
It will have little to no impact, IMO.
it really is. similar wikis do this and i dont see why we should be unable to.
BTW, I'm pretty sure WWE folks are payed to fight in WWE, so that blurs the line between LA actor and WWE
Piss of your user base enough and you have nobody to update profiles and you'll be dealing with the occasional newcomer who causes trouble, so yes, bending even just a little to user demand is necessary since this is literally harmless and not like, flat 1-A superman that breaks scaling.
Its a site where we, an online community-driven wiki focuses on cataloging and analyzing the powers, abilities, and combat skills of characters. That is ultimately as far as it goes for 95% of the monthly viewers that enter this site.
I think you're overestimating the amount of people who care much about this subject.
This too.
I'm saying it sets a bad precedence Deagonx, if you're willing to piss of one pretty major group of people in the VSdebating community, how many others can you piss off before you don't have a user base left?
I mean, perhaps thats a discussion that could be had in a certain context, but I don't think this slippery slope idea contributes much to the subject at hand.
Don't get me wrong, I disagree with Deagonx's position here, but ultimately speaking I don't think he's wrong. Deleting a profile about Logan Paul isn't going to lead to any side wide ramifications. It's just removing Logan Paul because he has baggage.
We're discussing the deletion of an entire verse of a popular media Deagonx, I think this is a discussion that needs to be had.
As I said earlier, nobody in good faith would disagree with deleting Logan Paul.
Logan Paul is one thing. At least people have somewhat valid reasons to oppose a Logan Paul profile.
I'm not certain you're aware of what a "stage persona" is. It is not evident, at least, by your counter arguments.
You are arguing that as the largest site, it is our duty to allow people to do whatever they so choose, as long as they want it and it causes no real physical harm. I would counter argue this notion with the idea that the reason our site flourishes as such is because we draw a lines at appropriate points. The rules regarding stage personas is that appropriate point, I feel. We have standards where other wikis might not.
It is not nitpicky.
vsbattles.fandom.com
Are you intentionally linking me to a profile showing a real person with their real information as a counter argument to them not just being real people assuming stage personas lmaoBray Wyatt (WWE)
Bray Wyatt (May 23, 1987 - August 24, 2023) was an American professional wrestler best known for his time in World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE). He was a two-time WWE Universal Champion, a one-time WWE Champion, a one-time SmackDown Tag Team Champion as the leader of the Wyatt Family and...
They're linking the Fiend section of the profile. Where the wrestler became some demon thing with magic powers.
I'm aware of the stage persona's specifics, aye. I'm just saying that it isn't really helping their case when their own damn profile treats them as the real world human individual in the summary these supporters themselves wrote.
The character of Bray Wyatt is developed and scripted by WWE's creative team to engage the audience and tell a compelling story. The personal information associated with Bray Wyatt, such as his birthdate and real name, is used to enhance the character's believability but doesn't change the fact that Bray Wyatt is a fictional entity within the context of professional wrestling. The intention is to blur the lines between reality and fiction to entertain the audience. So, despite the use of real-life information, it is clear that Bray Wyatt is a fictional character constructed for professional wrestling rather than a stage persona
I'm talking about versus debating in general though lol-
And WWE is on the line between actual actors paid to do what they do(They are, by the way), and folks just doing shit with their own baggage like Rolfe.
Let me reiterate: I don't think y'all make up a significant fraction of VS debating.
And I don't think they should, as I don't think any persona ought to be allowed.
