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Does that mean that Gungnir is weaker than Othinus?
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Let's the chaos begin! Kamijou Touma vs Iihiko
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he can't negate KE from supernatural buffs unless he is directly touching the source ex: if u create a golem and make it pick up rocks and throw them he can't negate those, he can only negate the golem
iihiko is not a ghost it's more like a title, only the legend is passed, it's a copy paste and works only on back-ups from the village, they are already installed with the parameters of iihiko, the body are real they just pass the legend from backup to backup and only 1 can exist at a time
btw even if he could negate iihiko he still has to touch him but he can't considering 1 he has ranged attacks that can kill him without him being capable of blocking 2 he dodged most martial artists of medaka, touma only knows street fighting and was stomped beyond measure by tsuchi which is league below someone like iihiko in marital arts, this is a stomp either way
iihiko is not a ghost it's more like a title, only the legend is passed, it's a copy paste and works only on back-ups from the village, they are already installed with the parameters of iihiko, the body are real they just pass the legend from backup to backup and only 1 can exist at a time
btw even if he could negate iihiko he still has to touch him but he can't considering 1 he has ranged attacks that can kill him without him being capable of blocking 2 he dodged most martial artists of medaka, touma only knows street fighting and was stomped beyond measure by tsuchi which is league below someone like iihiko in marital arts, this is a stomp either way
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No, that just means that the rocks are affected indirectly. They are still just very hard rocks, and the magic is in the golem, not the rocks itself.
But Iihiko can throw a rubber band that cuts through Ajimu and the rubber band is fine. He uses Zenkichi's glasses as knuckle dusters and they are fine. If the golem threw those rocks with enough force they would obviously break, which is exactly what Iihiko's weapons don't do. That's not indirect in any sense of the word, those things are being directly enhanced with his power.
But Iihiko can throw a rubber band that cuts through Ajimu and the rubber band is fine. He uses Zenkichi's glasses as knuckle dusters and they are fine. If the golem threw those rocks with enough force they would obviously break, which is exactly what Iihiko's weapons don't do. That's not indirect in any sense of the word, those things are being directly enhanced with his power.
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yes the break anything part is obv negated but the raw force behind it's not, he throwing anything with 8 b power already kills touma, especially if it hits anything beside his right hand as the effect would not get negated
his omniweapon skill already allows him to pick the best weapon for the situation, him kicking the ground below with enough force would already kill instantly (all the rocks he kicks become bullets)
his omniweapon skill already allows him to pick the best weapon for the situation, him kicking the ground below with enough force would already kill instantly (all the rocks he kicks become bullets)
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... I am not really sure you even understand what I am trying to say.
Honestly am done with this debate, this is just gonna go in circles. I may come back if something changes.
Honestly am done with this debate, this is just gonna go in circles. I may come back if something changes.
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It's above baseline planet level, which is enough for this.
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I think this is a serious mismatch and should be closed. I also dont think we can use the Dragons or IT because we dont actually have calc for them.
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In that case, we can't use The One Above All.
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We can'tThe God Of Procrastination said:
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For the last time people. Touma has a win condition so it is a valid match
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We have absolutely no idea about the tier of the dragons. For IT we know it is strong enough to be more powerful than Fiamma of the Rigt but weak enough to be stomped by Othinus with absolutely no effort,
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No the whole point if the arc was Iihiko resisted everything she could do
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Ajimu nukes the universe and goes to another universe and lives fine.Paul Frank said:
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Iihiko resists it and follows her ovo
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Iihiko recognizes the inter dimensional space as water and just swims through the universes xD.Paul Frank said:
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Imagine Breaker is the seal. If Iihiko gets noped by IB, IT/Dragons are stronger and the null is even stronger.
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Also, if an attack has even the smallest imput of supernatural power, even its KE will get cancelled. Thats how it always worked.
No ranged attacks for Iihiko
No ranged attacks for Iihiko
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the raw strength still does not get negated (we have tons of example: any accel ranged projectile attacks,marian sword,izzard dummy chains, etc) just the effect ( if ur point is that he would use low strength + the effect why would he do that ?), and only the ones he manages to block he kicking the ground with his omni weapon skills would make already too many bullets (rocks) to dodge or block
just don't use IT or dragons they are unknown for a reason
just don't use IT or dragons they are unknown for a reason
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no, he negated only the magic, in the novel he was not holding acqua like in the anime, he just blocked the magic touching the mace (and it would be stupid to negate the real weight imagine if someone destroyed a skyscapper and let it fall on touma, just cause it was sliced with magic that does not mean he would be able to negate the weight of the building), the prime example of using secondary effect vs IB is marian she used the magic to create normal destructive power as a secondary effect (seal the wind and then let it out, seal gravity and then let it out)
the dragons ate the attack they did not negate it, and we don't know if they are even physical just wait a few months we will get the info dump, and IT should already be 1 c considering it broke out of IB on his own last volume, but we don't know how to even apply it as the author keep using it off-screen or being invisible and not described
and again we don't know if IT is different from dragons (if u take notes they only manifested in AIM rich field like AC)
the dragons ate the attack they did not negate it, and we don't know if they are even physical just wait a few months we will get the info dump, and IT should already be 1 c considering it broke out of IB on his own last volume, but we don't know how to even apply it as the author keep using it off-screen or being invisible and not described
and again we don't know if IT is different from dragons (if u take notes they only manifested in AIM rich field like AC)
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the point is, he cancelled the KE generated by the mace being enhanced with magic and Acqua's own strength. The novel even states that Touma couldn't negate the first attacks because Acqua only used his brute force.
Once magic was involved, the attack itself stopped. Also, Touma v Accel had a lot of ranged attacks that were just side-effects or Touma couldn't defend because it was like Danmaku (like the peble launching.). The attack itself is cancelled, but if a side effect occurs (lets say, if an explosion launches debris in his direction), the side-effect is still natural. Thats how Curtana bypasses the negation: By creating a magic that slices space, the "cute" makes the dimensional debris, ust a side-effect, a "natural" part of the world/result of space being cut. HE can still null it if he nullifies the magic before the cut is made.
Accel bypassed the negation by causing a dust explosion, but only the container he launched was affected by his power. The explosion was a side-effect of his attack.
Once magic was involved, the attack itself stopped. Also, Touma v Accel had a lot of ranged attacks that were just side-effects or Touma couldn't defend because it was like Danmaku (like the peble launching.). The attack itself is cancelled, but if a side effect occurs (lets say, if an explosion launches debris in his direction), the side-effect is still natural. Thats how Curtana bypasses the negation: By creating a magic that slices space, the "cute" makes the dimensional debris, ust a side-effect, a "natural" part of the world/result of space being cut. HE can still null it if he nullifies the magic before the cut is made.
Accel bypassed the negation by causing a dust explosion, but only the container he launched was affected by his power. The explosion was a side-effect of his attack.
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"no he didn't negate the ke in fact he was already on his knees cause of the partial KE that was natural and he could not block it (he blocked the explosion and then grabbed the mace after, as the attack did succeed in casting )
and accel used everything to throws thing at touma from rocks to containers (in all fights) and touma could only dodge he could not block it with IB
in the first place what's stopping iihiko to do something like this https://s8.mkklcdnv8.com/**********...chapter_18_weakest_vs_strongest_part_1/13.jpg with his ability+ raw strength + omniweapon ?
btw here is an example : "He wanted to avoid it, but his body was already in the process of backing up. At this point, he couldn't recover his posture. The only method he had of dealing with the attack shooting right at the middle of his face was to use his right hand to immediately grab hold of it.
The sound of flesh ripping came from inside his hand.
The golden arrowhead wasn't so easily caught. It backed away and returned back to the golden tsunami. His right hand, sliced into two layers, felt as hot as if a cooked sheet of metal had been held against it. " the chain was normal gold with special enhancement and it got destroyed after but it still did damage cause it was thrown with normal strength "That arrowhead should be something that was imbued with some supernatural power, so it had gotten destroyed after Kamijou's hand had touched it. The wound on Kamijou's hand was caused by the blade just before it got destroyed. "
and accel used everything to throws thing at touma from rocks to containers (in all fights) and touma could only dodge he could not block it with IB
in the first place what's stopping iihiko to do something like this https://s8.mkklcdnv8.com/**********...chapter_18_weakest_vs_strongest_part_1/13.jpg with his ability+ raw strength + omniweapon ?
btw here is an example : "He wanted to avoid it, but his body was already in the process of backing up. At this point, he couldn't recover his posture. The only method he had of dealing with the attack shooting right at the middle of his face was to use his right hand to immediately grab hold of it.
The sound of flesh ripping came from inside his hand.
The golden arrowhead wasn't so easily caught. It backed away and returned back to the golden tsunami. His right hand, sliced into two layers, felt as hot as if a cooked sheet of metal had been held against it. " the chain was normal gold with special enhancement and it got destroyed after but it still did damage cause it was thrown with normal strength "That arrowhead should be something that was imbued with some supernatural power, so it had gotten destroyed after Kamijou's hand had touched it. The wound on Kamijou's hand was caused by the blade just before it got destroyed. "
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Maalox for the dragons we might be able to get something from the railgun manga since somehow some lady stole or duplicated one of Kamijou's dragons, I'm not done yet so I cant give much yet, but shemanifests it using an esper ability and has been shown not to be able to use it in an AIM disruption field. Her name is Kimi and im amazed no one has tried to scale the dragons from her feats. When I finish the manga ill try to bring up the discusion.
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Why are you bumping a clear stomp
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I vote for Iihiko via rubber band.
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And even if IB and IT work with Iihiko then it still stomp.
5-B possible low 2-C so it stomp either way.
Anyway i make a much more fair match for Touma here
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3228298
5-B possible low 2-C so it stomp either way.
Anyway i make a much more fair match for Touma here
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3228298
