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By biting him.Firephoenixearl said:
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Let's the chaos begin! Kamijou Touma vs Iihiko
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Im pretty sure that Attack Reflection would be nulled. I dont know enough about his Immunity to say.
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5-B>>5-CFirephoenixearl said:
Also, power null
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If Iihiko uses the air as an attack it will completely cover touma and atomize him so Iihiko would win right there
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That still wouldent stop IT and the 8 Dragons from coming and killing him.Paul Frank said:
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I think you missed the part about Iihiko winning the fight by the time that happens since touma was blown apart already
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If he gets killed immediatly afterwards that is still Inconclusive.
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The Dragons Eat him.Firephoenixearl said:
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If IT doesnt destroy him even fasterThe God Of Procrastination said:
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using dragon is still not possible, considering they never actually showed their power and is not even dragons anymore for those who actually follow the novel, last time it was a mass of red artificial spherical red eggs in the shape of a hand with something lurking inside, when released they took control of touma, destroyed coronzon energy based body and cut the ship with a barrier that worked by shifting dimension, and now they are breaking out of IB, so they have least have to be 1C to overpower IB negation: "
Where had he gone after defeating Great Demon Coronzon?
"Ahhhhhhhhhhh!"
He had been unable to stay there.
Even now, his right arm was throbbing irregularly while he held it with his left hand. He had no idea how the arm had reattached and its return was not enough to put his mind at ease. He could not predict when that thing would come out again.
"Touma!!"
He heard a familiar voice from directly above.
Was she dangling from a giant balloon again?
But that was exactly why he had to keep running.
That thing would kill.
No matter what Kamijou Touma wanted, it would indiscriminately devour and kill everyone there.
So.
He had left the gray Queen Britannia to run across the seemingly endless expanse of ice.
He had to get as far away as possible.
He had to do whatever it took to stay away from anyone this might harm.
"Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!"
There was a deep and wet sound of something bursting open." (yes this how the volume ended thanks for the ******* cliff hanger)
so don't use IT unless we actually know what it does
this is a stomp and some who voted are troll or just don't know the rules considering they said "he one shoot from the start easy win" and counted it as win instead of stomp when it's literally written in the stomp page
Where had he gone after defeating Great Demon Coronzon?
"Ahhhhhhhhhhh!"
He had been unable to stay there.
Even now, his right arm was throbbing irregularly while he held it with his left hand. He had no idea how the arm had reattached and its return was not enough to put his mind at ease. He could not predict when that thing would come out again.
"Touma!!"
He heard a familiar voice from directly above.
Was she dangling from a giant balloon again?
But that was exactly why he had to keep running.
That thing would kill.
No matter what Kamijou Touma wanted, it would indiscriminately devour and kill everyone there.
So.
He had left the gray Queen Britannia to run across the seemingly endless expanse of ice.
He had to get as far away as possible.
He had to do whatever it took to stay away from anyone this might harm.
"Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!"
There was a deep and wet sound of something bursting open." (yes this how the volume ended thanks for the ******* cliff hanger)
so don't use IT unless we actually know what it does
this is a stomp and some who voted are troll or just don't know the rules considering they said "he one shoot from the start easy win" and counted it as win instead of stomp when it's literally written in the stomp page
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I thoght it was a stomp unless those were included. If they arent than it is a huge stomp. And I read the Manga not the LN and am still working on those so.....
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Not a stomp cus he has a win condition though. Him being out skilled by Iihiko is not stomp worthy.
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Well, rip then
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If the Dragons and IT cant be used whats his wincon?
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We are saying that Touma might stomp, especially if his arm is destroyed first.
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This is just a bad matchup tbh. Touma would never get the chance to actually hit Iihiko with his right hand
And we dont know for sure what happens when Touma dies, IT might come in or not, and even if, it would just force an inconclusive at best
And we dont know for sure what happens when Touma dies, IT might come in or not, and even if, it would just force an inconclusive at best
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Ok im confused now. Him being one shot immediatly and possibly being able to kill after death, which according to Malox we cant use, is Touma stomping?
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I say this is a stomp at worst Inconclusive at best.
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by ur logic accel can fight a gunman cuase he has a win consition, wait 30 minutes, even an idiot understand that's a stomp, that's why most glass canon still are put with high tier instead of their durability as they would one shoot everything, another example would be goku vs a normal human with a dura negation sword obv stompFirephoenixearl said:
btw here: A Stomp thread is when one character is immediately able to win against another, whether it is via battlefield removal, incapacitation or killing, with the opponent having no chance to retort with their own abilities or statistics.
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I dont even understand why this match is a thing. I think this is just a mismatch.
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Yes, but:
Iihiko has to hit Touma to win. Touma has to hit Iihiko to win. That's literally this match up. Iihiko having his rubber band and being formidable with weapons give him the edge as he would hit Touma before Touma can hit him. Doesn't make this a stomp.
The stomp description is a bit wrong in the page, stomp isn't just "if he is able to win immediately", otherwise, most people like Anyone from GetBackers, Bloodlusted Medaka etc would only have stomps because if they don't win right away they most likely will have trouble winning at all.
Stomps are defined by fights where the matchup is just unfair or in under no circumstances winnable for the other party. Example:
- Speed is equalized so Blitz (a stomp condition) is not applicable
- Iihiko's skills get negged, so he can just rely on his weapons and punches.
- Touma just needs to so much as graze him.
Iihiko has to hit Touma to win. Touma has to hit Iihiko to win. That's literally this match up. Iihiko having his rubber band and being formidable with weapons give him the edge as he would hit Touma before Touma can hit him. Doesn't make this a stomp.
The stomp description is a bit wrong in the page, stomp isn't just "if he is able to win immediately", otherwise, most people like Anyone from GetBackers, Bloodlusted Medaka etc would only have stomps because if they don't win right away they most likely will have trouble winning at all.
Stomps are defined by fights where the matchup is just unfair or in under no circumstances winnable for the other party. Example:
- Passive vs Active. If a character can passively win, it's a stomp (unfair), because in under no circumstances known to man will a character with a passive fail to win (assuming no resistances are involved and his passive hax is lethal) against someone with active hax.
- Blitz. Unfair. Under no circumstances will the slower character win (ofc assuming it IS a stomp ofc, putting a MFTL 9-A without hax won't be a stomp against a 3-A) because the faster character will always just blitz him.
- No win conditions. No matter what this is just unfair. If the other party can't win then it's a stomp.
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- Touma just needs to so much as graze him.
his raw power already kills him even missing an attack to the ground would kill touma for the impact
he has ranged attack that he can't block
he is vs an opponent that he can virtually hit as he is a master martial artist, being more skilled dis considered an ability u know ? it's counted same as everything else
That situation is extremely unlikely
exactly same for the gun man vs accel as he has to wait 30 minute to actually win, or goku vs a dura negation sword wielding normal human with equal speed, both of this are stomp, the winning condition are there but it's so unlikely it might as well be 0 as it would need for the opponent to purposely get hit while also not attacking as everything they do would instantly kill their opponent (there are already many stomp by accel vs character with time stop as it was not their first move and used it sparsely, they could win but not before getting instantly killed and those were counted as stomp)
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The wincon being unlikely doesn't matter
If the wincon exists it's not a stomp
If the wincon exists it's not a stomp
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In that case, Cure Black isn't stomped by Accelerator.
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by ur logic all tier 9 hax( with up to 1 c) user should fight anyone on their tier simply cause their opponent can kill them with a gun, does not matter if in the meantime the other is warping the galaxy against him, u do understand how stupid it is ? or more simply a normal human vs a high tier mind controller would be fair if they match their tier but have no resistancePaul Frank said:
edit: 2 people fight both have 1hp and deal 1 damage but one has an item that gives them ranged attacks and 90 % avoid chance, who u consider this a fair fight ?
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Of course its not fair
That doesn't make it a stomp though that makes it decisive
That doesn't make it a stomp though that makes it decisive
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i like the fact that u missed the entire first part and just focused on the edit i made for a very simplified example (cue i did not say stomp in the example i said fair, and it would still be a stomp simply cause character 2 has ranged attack, the other has 0 chance to doge)Paul Frank said:
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That was also in response to your first part not just the edit
If a character has the ability to win but doesn't because they have a character flaw, or the opponent simply wins faster that's a decisive match not a stomp
A stomp is if a wincon doesn't exist. If the opponent resists everything you do and you have no way to affect them that's a stomp
If a character has the ability to win but doesn't because they have a character flaw, or the opponent simply wins faster that's a decisive match not a stomp
A stomp is if a wincon doesn't exist. If the opponent resists everything you do and you have no way to affect them that's a stomp
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I also want to point out that I'm not saying this isn't a stomp. Since touching Iihiko doesn't delete him and IT and dragons are non factors it's clearly a stomp.
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About tier 9 with hax.
As a matter of fact. Jill Presto, yes, THAT jill. The one with precog, fate and death hax all on a 1-A level and instant/thought based, had a fair fight against Medaka, because immortality was restriced for Jill. So yes a tier 9 gal with 1-A thought based hax had a fair fight with a girl whose hax we keep on a strict 3D level, for the simple reason of "Medaka could put her down when immortality is restricted".
So yes a character having hax unfathomably above another one, as long as the other character has a reasonable win condition, is still fair.
As a matter of fact. Jill Presto, yes, THAT jill. The one with precog, fate and death hax all on a 1-A level and instant/thought based, had a fair fight against Medaka, because immortality was restriced for Jill. So yes a tier 9 gal with 1-A thought based hax had a fair fight with a girl whose hax we keep on a strict 3D level, for the simple reason of "Medaka could put her down when immortality is restricted".
So yes a character having hax unfathomably above another one, as long as the other character has a reasonable win condition, is still fair.
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If touching Iihiko won't do anything, then it's a stomp yes.
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Well it was removed, since restricting type 8 immortality is no longer allowed. The fight was made before that.Malox1696 said:
Now The Bassanos just get jill back from anything Medaka can do.
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Iihiko's "supernatural" status is a very weird and unexplainable thing.
I wouldn't say without basis that somehow he could be killed by Touma touching him. But if he did, any hit that Iihiko did on Touma's arm would actually lose all its kinetic energy.
I wouldn't say without basis that somehow he could be killed by Touma touching him. But if he did, any hit that Iihiko did on Touma's arm would actually lose all its kinetic energy.
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I am just saying what would happen if he indeed was counted as Supernatural, nothing more.
And I'm not sure about that...? Shiranui doesn't have super muscles, so it's obvious that Iihiko is doing something unnatural when he possess her and she gets even stronger than Iihiko in his old body.
Anyway, I was just clearing stuff up. I don't care much for this match up.
And I'm not sure about that...? Shiranui doesn't have super muscles, so it's obvious that Iihiko is doing something unnatural when he possess her and she gets even stronger than Iihiko in his old body.
Anyway, I was just clearing stuff up. I don't care much for this match up.
