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Kratos Resistance to Fate Manipulation
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Because he wasn't using the power of hope during GOW2
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It was inside of him which is why he has the resistance, as it says on his profile;
The power he gained from Pandora's Box was Hope.
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But he didn't tap into until he was killed by Zeus in the end of GOW3.
I guess while he still released the power of hope, he still has the rest of Pandora's box in him. I could be wrong on that.
Off to sleep. I'll check this out in the morning
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Purgy makes the most sense to me here so I'm inclined to agree with the OP.
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He doesn't need to actively tap into it for him to gain resistances due to it, this is why it's stated by The Sisters of Fate that the power he gained from Pandora's Box is what was allowing him to escape their control, even though he wasn't actively using it.
As for your last point, Pandora's Box was filled with "Evil" and "Hope", Kratos released Hope to the world and Evil infected the Gods.
GoW 4 Kratos can't have Fate resistance for the same reason that Greek Kratos has it, because he doesn't have PoH.
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I'm assuming it's because he's stated by WoG to have still retained some of the power of hope in GOW4.
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Why is this at questiond and answer?
Iirc he still has some Hence why post gow 3 he is unable to kill himself
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O really?
You have scan?
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Because it started as more of a question but devolved into a CRT
Kratos dispersed Hope to the world, so it's likely he has "some", as would pretty much everyone.
However, there's no proof that that small amount of Hope is enough to give Kratos the same resistances and abilities that all of Hope does.
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Could you prove that? Otherwise you might be able to argue that Norse Kratos should currently resist Concept manipulation.
Except for that really isn't the case. If He wasn't still lugging around the power of the box, I'm pretty sure he would still be at demigod level. Athena says this herself that Kratos held on to it for several years, and inside the box there is a stronger power, which is the power of hope.
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You can't argue that because even if it's agreed Kratos retained some of Hope, you can't give him the same resistances from when he had all of Hope.
The small amount of Hope Kratos may have retained after dispering it to the world doesn't give him any thing, because there's no evidence of it giving him anything.
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Stated in one of the spoilercast
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Ah i c
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Yes, but I'm not arguing that, you said that he doesn't need to tap into the POH to have all his resistances. As far as I know, there's no evidence for this.
I didn't say that. I'm just trying to say that there's a difference between the Power of hope and the power within the box, the latter is what Kratos holds on to, the remainder of series. It was stated by the fates that Kratos being uncontrollable was from the box, in the novel of God of war 2.
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What other power are you referring to?
The box contained Evil and Hope, that's it, Kratos was only stated to have gained Hope afaik, nothing else.
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The box already contained power. It was Athena who summoned the power of hope and locked it in the box. Kratos wouldn't unlock the power of hope until several years from then in God of war 3 and finally uses it in the fight against Zeus. Athena says it's deep inside Kratos, and that it has remained buried. She didn't say he used it kill Ares, or the fates, or anyone else, or even that he drew from it all those years. Just that he finally awakened it to Kill Zeus.
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Kratos did use it against Ares.
But it went dormant right after that.
And wasn't awakened untill GoW3.
Obviously Hope was awakened in GoW1.
He just used its presence inside him as amp to kill Ares.
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The box contained Evil before Athena put Hope in it
Zeus put Evil into the box > Athena put Hope into the box > Kratos opened the box > Evil was released corrupting the Gods > Kratos gained Hope
There was no other power, nor was Kratos said to gain any other power afaik
Also, Athena does say Kratos used Hope to kill Ares at the end of GoW 3 iirc
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Not really making a comment but
The power within the Box was the Evils and Hope, Zeus sealed the Evil away after the War and Hope was left by Athena as a contingency. It's likely why she tried to get Kratos to use it against Ares and Athena believed the Evils were what he used to kill Ares but in actuality they fled to the Gods and he had Hope to kill Ares. While there's no actual confirmation what is helping Kratos subvert the Fates' will they suspect it's Pandora's Box which certainly implies that's the cause.
He drew on it to kill Ares but he never unlocked it's true potential until GOWIII (Which is partially why I think the Hope resistances should be shifted to the other key rather then just GOW I but that's something else)
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Yes and no.
He does get amped by absorbing it. But its not same as awakening it in GoW3.
They are same , but potency's are different for both.
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I didn't say otherwise
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Oh okay.
This makes sense. I feel the same way (obviously not about fate manipulation) but for the things like concept manipulation which he has in his GOW1 key for some reason
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Like it does kinda break the scale to assume he just always had those since I right? I was planning a hax revision but bleh
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It honestly does. I think his concept stuff shows up around Ghost of Sparta? So maybe that's where it comes from.
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TBH isn't the concept hax just based on him killing Thanatos who's abstract? (which I'm unsure if that would qualify)
I know he has it in Hope for using the concept to empower him and affect Fear but thats it
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I've always wondered that myself. I don't know this type of stuff always confused me
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I know I argued against the Concept stuff based off Thanatos but it's on the page anyway IG
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I mean I suppose it kinda makes sense.
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Kratos gave hope to the greek pantheon so they could live without the rule of the Gods. He gave humanity free will. The whole GoW 4>3 argument has never made sense. 4 Kratos is blatantly and stated to be rusty as all hell, lost all his abilities and equipment, and himself in the novel stated he was more muscular in his Greek days. 4 goes out of it's way to show kratos is rusty and not what he used to be, at least at the beginning of the game.
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There's never really been a definitive answer to this, really. He hasn't really fought anything in a long time. Kratos is Rusty, yes, but that's not really referring to his raw power, probably more his combat skills. Keep in mind, he's also holding back pretty much the entirety of the game as he wants his son to grow stronger and keep his own rage in check. Kratos in 4 isn't actively trying to spaz out and murk everyone as this time around he has no real personal vendetta against anybody. I think it was also stated that he's as strong as he's always been. Which I also think doesn't make sense. But I guess that's how it for now. Hopefully they'll elaborate more in the future
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Technically it's credited to Kratos when he murders the Fates as per Gaia
IMo it makes sense, Kratos claims Baldur is > Zeus and later believes Odin's magic used to take Freya is beyond anything he's seen previously, Gods in Greece grow stronger in old age and he's actively holding back as shown in the game and supplementary material and that's ignoring the WOG that
The muscular stuff could just be a joke about the new artstyle ala the jump comments from Barlog, rusty is fighting skills and the powers is just hax that means nothing when he already has all the hax resistances and a boatload of stuff via optional equipment
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Which is crazy considering Baldur was pretty much confirmed to be weaker than Zeus by Bruno Velasquez
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TBH that'd just be Death of the Author since the text comes first
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I mean would it really? I think It makes sense, actually. Does Kratos outright say Baldur is stronger than Zeus? If not, I think he meant due to Baldur's invincibility he's never seen anyone or anything like him, his raw power was nothing special, if you look at the final boss fight with him, you'll see Kratos beat the dogshit out of him like he never did before.
The Odin statement is legit. Bruno also said he believes Zeus is also stronger than Thor and the real question is who's stronger better him and Odin. I Could definitely see them as equals, but only time will tell I guess
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He says this after being hit over his house so I assume it's "oh shit that hurt"
I mean hence the Kratos is stronger stuff.
TBH If anything I'm expecting Thor is > Odin
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I've literally had this debate ad infinitum at this point and everyone ignores context entirely. The baldur statement is kratos talking about baldurs curse, on top of the fact it was his first fight in centuries. A rusty kratos is definitely stronger than he ever was. The idea that Baldur is stronger than literally any power Kratos had encountered is also nonsensical, considering Baldur is unarguably not more powerful than Fear Zeus or the power of Hope. This logic comes from discord outerversalists who believe Magni and Modi fart the greek pantheon out of existence.
Not to mention the blades of chaos, which aren't even the most powerful weapons from the greek pantheon, are straight up stated to be stronger than the leviathan axe and mjolnir, and do a feat not even surtr's blade could achieve.
The muscuslar scan most definitely isn't a joke because kratos has blatantly gotten bigger in ragnarok, showing he has been training is back to what he was in his greek days. Kratos didn't keep his strength. He was sitting on his ass every day for centuries with no physical strength that would compare to his god-slaying rampage in previous games. There is literally no evidence whatsoever kratos is stronger than he was before, and that's not even including the power of hope.
Mimir in-game states the aesir are as powerful a force as he's come upon, and knowing about the greek pantheon in-depth, just reaffirms the common sense that all pantheons are equal in power, with cory also stating all pantheons believe they are stronger than others.
GoW having one myth more powerful than others would cause massive backlash, especially if they dive into certain myths.
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That he's stronger than Zeus?
Maybe, But according to the devs he's as strong as he's always been. Losing the power of hope (or at least most of it) his equipment, and not training for centuries, kinda make me unsure of this. It could still be true tho as the Greek gods grow stronger as they age like you stated.
Me too. I expect Thor to be the brute strength guy and Odin to be the Hax Specialist.
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