Question about Kratos.

[Phsccarvalho]

1 - Why can Kratos use all his weapons? With each God of War, Kratos always uses a new set of weapons (minus the chaos blades) and in the lore of each game (as far as I remember) he never uses his old weapons. So why in his God of War key, can he use all the weapons he used in every game before the 2018 one?

2 - At the end of God of War 3, all of Kratos' weapons (apart from the blades of chaos) were broken, so why in Hope Kratos' profile can he use not only these weapons but all the old ones? (There's nothing there with "except for...")

3 - Why did Norse Kratos lose some of his god of war skills? And why did he lose some general god abilities? Despite his page several things escalate from his god of war key.

For example, underneath is a general god ability that I didn't find in your Norse Key.

• Size Manipulation, Invisibility and Shapeshifting (All Gods can change their size and shape, as well as become invisible to prying eyes[69])

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Why did Norse Kratos lose some of his god of war skills? And why did he lose some general god abilities? Despite his page several things escalate from his god of war key.

For example, underneath is a general god ability that I didn't find in your Norse Key.

Kratos said that he lost access to a lot of his supernatural powers as the God of War

 

[Phsccarvalho]

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[KLOL506]

1 - Why can Kratos use all his weapons? With each God of War, Kratos always uses a new set of weapons (minus the chaos blades) and in the lore of each game (as far as I remember) he never uses his old weapons. So why in his God of War key, can he use all the weapons he used in every game before the 2018 one?

Dimensional storage. He keeps them on himself, but most of them he deems unnecessary compared to the new ones he obtains, or he gets even better gear that supersedes them in potency.

2 - At the end of God of War 3, all of Kratos' weapons (apart from the blades of chaos) were broken, so why in Hope Kratos' profile can he use not only these weapons but all the old ones? (There's nothing there with "except for...")

Because Hope restores all of his magic and his ability to use it in the first place, and then some more. Zeus shitcanned not just his weapons, but his entire HUD before killing him and destroying his soul at the conceptual level.

Also, the Blades of Exile survived too.

3 - Why did Norse Kratos lose some of his god of war skills? And why did he lose some general god abilities? Despite his page several things escalate from his god of war key.

When Kratos killed himself to give Hope to mankind, that was the final blow to his old magics. The Greek lands were dead, and Hope would be the one key power to revive them all.

For example, underneath is a general god ability that I didn't find in your Norse Key.

Only the Greek gods have it, and again, Kratos lost all his Greek magics when he ganked Hope out of himself.

 

[Planck69]

1 - Why can Kratos use all his weapons? With each God of War, Kratos always uses a new set of weapons (minus the chaos blades) and in the lore of each game (as far as I remember) he never uses his old weapons. So why in his God of War key, can he use all the weapons he used in every game before the 2018 one?

He still has nearly all of what he acquires in his adventures bar a few weapons, that he stores in his dimensional storage. In fact he even briefly uses some of it. Plus, its not like they magically disappeared during say, the 5 minute gap between God of War II and III.

For the most part, the main reason is just gameplay balance. It's not as though the developers can feasibly give you access to everything you have in those games.

2 - At the end of God of War 3, all of Kratos' weapons (apart from the blades of chaos) were broken, so why in Hope Kratos' profile can he use not only these weapons but all the old ones? (There's nothing there with "except for...")

He has his soul, magic and power restored and elevated. What few abilities he has exclusive to his weapons should probably be removed since almost all of his weapons were wrecked.

Unless there's another reason we assume he as weapon powers.

3 - Why did Norse Kratos lose some of his god of war skills? And why did he lose some general god abilities? Despite his page several things escalate from his god of war key.

He lost his divine magics. Functionally, he's now just an immortal demigod with raw power rivalling a God-King. The innate resistances and powers that weren't a part of what he got from his godhead are still his.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Dimensional storage. He keeps them on himself, but most of them he deems unnecessary compared to the new ones he obtains, or he gets even better gear that supersedes them in potency.

He still has nearly all of what he acquires in his adventures bar a few weapons, that he stores in his dimensional storage. In fact he even briefly uses some of it. Plus, its not like they magically disappeared during say, the 5 minute gap between God of War II and III.

For the most part, the main reason is just gameplay balance. It's not as though the developers can feasibly give you access to everything you have in those games.

I think that's fair, considering the golden fleece and ikaro's wings go to Kratos.

Because Hope restores all of his magic and his ability to use it in the first place, and then some more. Zeus shitcanned not just his weapons, but his entire HUD before killing him and destroying his soul at the conceptual level.

Also, the Blades of Exile survived too.

What does restoring magic have to do with Kratos being able to use all of his weapons in that key? When they break they stay on the ground (the exile blade didn't stay on the ground)

And when he accesses the power of hope it is not shown that he recovers them. The most visual example is the Golden Fleece that always stays with Kratos but after it is destroyed and Kratos returns with Hope, it does not come back together.

He has his soul, magic and power restored and elevated. What few abilities he has exclusive to his weapons should probably be removed since almost all of his weapons were wrecked.

Unless there's another reason we assume he as weapon powers.

See my comment above and then this one.

So, do you intend to remove it?

When Kratos killed himself to give Hope to mankind, that was the final blow to his old magics. The Greek lands were dead, and Hope would be the one key power to revive them all.

He lost his divine magics. Functionally, he's now just an immortal demigod with raw power rivalling a God-King. The innate resistances and powers that weren't a part of what he got from his godhead are still his.

I understood

 

[KLOL506]

What does restoring magic have to do with Kratos being able to use all of his weapons in that key?

It's not so much the weapons but the magics he uses to make them tick. The weapons are merely a filter for what he can actually pull off with his own magic.

The Blade of Olympus for example. Its powers more or less stem from Kratos himself because of what Zeus did in GoW2, until of course he took them all back for himself..

When they break they stay on the ground (the exile blade didn't stay on the ground)

It wasn't affected either.

And when he accesses the power of hope it is not shown that he recovers them.

Brother, he recovers all of his magic to demolish Zeus and gain immunity to the Evils and their energies. Else the Blade of Olympus would've never reignited when he wielded it against himself. The Blade will straight up not work without a god or someone of godly might wielding it.

The most visual example is the Golden Fleece that always stays with Kratos but after it is destroyed and Kratos returns with Hope, it does not come back together.

Hope does the repelling for him against Zeus. He doesn't need the Fleece anymore to use as armor.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

It's not so much the weapons but the magics he uses to make them tick. The weapons are merely a filter for what he can actually pull off with his own magic.

The Blade of Olympus for example. Its powers more or less stem from Kratos himself because of what Zeus did in GoW2, until of course he took them all back for himself..

Again what does this have to do? Weapons are broken not de-energized, they were destroyed.

Does Kratos return with his magic have to do with him being able to use weapons that are now destroyed?

Brother, he recovers all of his magic to demolish Zeus and gain immunity to the Evils and their energies. Else the Blade of Olympus would've never reignited when he wielded it against himself. The Blade will straight up not work without a god or someone of godly might wielding it.

What are you talking about? The Blade of Olypus was never one of the weapons that was broken. It's not even broken like the others, broken in half.

What does all this have to do with those weapons and equipment on the ground getting broken and staying broken? There is nothing to indicate that they were fixed.

Hope does the repelling for him against Zeus. He doesn't need the Fleece anymore to use as armor.

And because they are broken on the floor and are unusable.

 

[KLOL506]

Again what does this have to do? Weapons are broken not de-energized, they were destroyed.

Zeus did both.

Does Kratos return with his magic have to do with him being able to use weapons that are now destroyed?

No, but rather it has to do with his magic being restored, which again, is the main game changer without which the weapons don't really work. Again, Zeus shitcanned his health bar, his blue and yellow magic bar and even destroyed his HUD before snapping his neck and ending his soul, without which he ceases to exist.

What are you talking about? The Blade of Olypus was never one of the weapons that was broken. It's not even broken like the others, broken in half.

It was drained of all its powers when Kratos recovers it in the Underworld after he takes a dip in the Styx at the very start of the game. Why do you think it doesn't light up anymore without either Kratos or Zeus touching it? Or do you believe that Kratos isn't 2-C without it?

The weapons themselves are merely conduits to filter Kratos' powers through them.

What does all this have to do with those weapons and equipment on the ground getting broken and staying broken? There is nothing to indicate that they were fixed.

The fact that they on their own can't do anything without Kratos filtering his power through them.

And because they are broken on the floor and are unusable.

Kratos literally has to do nothing to be defended against Zeus while empowered by Hope. Even if it wasn't broken Kratos wasn't going to win against Fear regardless without Hope.

 

[KLOL506]

Even considering all of this, he loses like what: The Claws of Hades (Only weapon worth its salt but countered by the fact that he has a majority of its powers by himself plus those of Hades innately one way or another, amped by Hope), Nemean Cestus (Which really doesn't have much going on for it without Kratos amping it), the Nemesis Whip (Cronos' Rage but worse) and his Blades of Exile (Which already weren't affected).

So really, there isn't much to take away from him anyway even if those are taken out of the equation on Hope.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Zeus did both.

OK

It was drained of all its powers when Kratos recovers it in the Underworld after he takes a dip in the Styx. Why do you think it doesn't light up without either Kratos or Zeus touching it? Or do you believe that Kratos isn't 2-C without it?

The weapons themselves are merely conduits to filter Kratos' powers through them.

And that literally has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

When Fear Zeus appeared he destroyed almost all of Kratos' weapons, the only ones that weren't affected were the Blades of Exile and the Blade of Olympus. Which were the only weapons he used after that.

I'm asking because Kratos can use weapons that have been broken. Ok, now he has magic, but his weapons and equipment are totally broken.

The fact that they on their own can't do anything without Kratos filtering his power through them.

First, the blade of olypus was not one of the weapons broken when fear Zeus appeared.

Second, the weapons are broken, the blade of olympos is not. You don't walk around with her blade broken or using her fully broken. She's normal, but now she works differently.

Third, the only weapons Kratos used against Fear Kratos were the only weapons that were unaffected and unbroken.

Kratos literally has to do nothing to be defended against Zeus while empowered by Hope. Even if it wasn't broken Kratos wasn't going to win against Fear regardless.

This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Even considering all of this, he loses like what: The Claws of Hades (Only weapon worth its salt but countered by the fact that he has a majority of its powers by himself plus those of Hades innately one way or another, amped by Hope), Nemean Cestus (Which really doesn't have much going on for it without Kratos amping it), the Nemesis Whip (Cronos' Rage but worse) and his Blades of Exile (Which already weren't affected).

So really, there isn't much to take away from him anyway even if those are taken out of the equation on Hope.

Good then.

 

[KLOL506]

And that literally has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

When Fear Zeus appeared he destroyed almost all of Kratos' weapons, the only ones that weren't affected were the Blades of Exile and the Blade of Olympus. Which were the only weapons he used after that.

I'm asking because Kratos can use weapons that have been broken. Ok, now he has magic, but his weapons and equipment are totally broken.

Even if they weren't broken, Hope supersedes whatever they can do. He has no need to use their magics anymore.

First, the blade of olypus was not one of the weapons broken when fear Zeus appeared.

And? It still had no magic of its own to make shit work out without Kratos, so broken or not, it's not really relevant to the discussion at hand.

Second, the weapons are broken,

Their individual magics are also nulled, as is Kratos' capability to use them or magic to begin with.

the blade of olympos is not. You don't walk around with her blade broken or using her fully broken. She's normal, but now she works differently.

Again, the Blade of Olympus really doesn't matter in the equation.

Third, the only weapons Kratos used against Fear Kratos were the only weapons that were unaffected and unbroken.

Okay? Never denied that.

This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

You're talking about the magics of the weapons in GoW3 that he used?

Because at best, this is what that would apply to. It wouldn't apply to the weapons of the previous games because they never got used.

 

[Planck69]

Kratos doesn't seem to lose any power beyond maybe some of Hades.

 

[KLOL506]

Kratos doesn't seem to lose any power beyond maybe some of Hades.

Honestly him having Hades' powers is peak redundancy because Kratos on his own has a lot of the same powers as Hades does, either innately or via his Godhead and the bestowed powers on him not relying on weaponry, like Poseidon's Rage, Cronos' Rage and what have you.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Again, the Blade of Olympus really doesn't matter in the equation.

And? It still had no magic of its own to make shit work out without Kratos, so broken or not, it's not really relevant to the discussion at hand.

It was you who brought her into the discussion.

And? It still had no magic of its own to make shit work out without Kratos, so broken or not, it's not really relevant to the discussion at hand.

The individual spells are not visic equipment that can be broken. Yes they were broken, but the way of restoration is different.

You're talking about the magics of the weapons in GoW3 that he used?

Because at best, this is what that would apply to. It wouldn't apply to the weapons of the previous games because they never got used.

Only Gow 3, there is no reason to think that weapons from other games are affected.

Honestly him having Hades' powers is peak redundancy because Kratos on his own has a lot of the same powers as Hades does, either innately or via his Godhead and the bestowed powers on him not relying on weaponry, like Poseidon's Rage, Cronos' Rage and what have you.

I don't remember seeing Hades using his weapon's powers without using it, but I could be wrong.

 

[KLOL506]

I don't remember seeing Hades using his weapon's powers without using it, but I could be wrong.

He doesn't need his claws to do any of the shit mentioned on his profile, he can do a lot of those things without ever leaving his palace throne while watching the chaos happening in the other realm, and he has complete and utter control over the Energies of Tartarus as the God of the Underworld.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

He doesn't need his claws to do any of the shit mentioned on his profile, he can do a lot of those things without ever leaving his palace throne while watching the chaos happening in the other realm, and he has complete and utter control over the Energies of Tartarus as the God of the Underworld.

So it's never been shown him sucking or summoning souls without the claws?

 

[KLOL506]

So it's never been shown him sucking or summoning souls without the claws?

The claws are just for showing off, it's the Energy of Tartarus that's the real dealbreaker.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

The claws are just for showing off, it's the Energy of Tartarus that's the real dealbreaker.

hum, ok

I think everything I asked has been discussed so I think this can be closed.

 

[KLOL506]

@Planck69 Close away.

 

[Planck69]

Aite.