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I'm not claiming Ghost of Sparta came later. The fact that Ghost of Sparta contradicts it does not change what the text very blatantly says, and the fact that it matches the original myth makes that interpretation inarguable.This novel came out after Ghost of Sparta. It references the side games, Chains of Olympus specifically, as well.
This is a nothing burger of an assumption.
What the hell are you even talking about.It seems quite clear that the novel just contradicts the games. IIRC the novels are secondary canon anyways, so just toss out that one scene and we'll be good to go.
IDK, we've strayed too far from the original topic of the twins and the animal+mortal lovers.honestly, i am confused, how does the means for Atlantis sinking matter for Bio Manip again?
What do you mean by "make sense there?" If a work with higher canon priority contradicts it, it's fine to regard it as non-canon, but the fact remains that this is what the author wrote and what the text as written very blatantly means......So, you agree that war sinking Atlantis doesn't make sense there? Since the game would take precedent in that scenario.
What the hell are you even talking about.
Nowhere does that scene even remotely refer to Atlantis being sunk to war, even the way Deagon quoted it is weird. The fact that Chains of Olympus is referenced to begin with should tell you that you are both basing your arguments off of pure speculation and headcanon.
Chapter One: Zeus and Hades literally remind Poseidon of what Kratos did to Atlantis. GoW3 does it before. Still 1:1 with the myth?
Y'all really need to research your stuff better.
So you just blatantly ignored what I said about the novel stating blatantly in Chapter One that Kratos was the one responsible for sinking Atlantis, which harks back to his journey in Ghost of Sparta. Okay then.What do you mean by "make sense there?" If a work with higher canon priority contradicts it, it's fine to regard it as untrue, but the fact remains that this is what the author wrote and what the text as written very blatantly means.
It isn't ambiguous. Atropos says she's using war, Clotho disapproves, Atropos says "I sunk a contintent this way" and Clotho says "Atlantis wasn't worth the effort."
The continent she sunk with war in this case is very blatantly Atlantis. Atlantis is a island that sunk due to war in the original myth. Is this canon? No. Is that what the author meant? Undoubtedly. No other interpretation of this is possible.
Why are you asking me bruv.Wait a second why atlantis sink discussion is even relevant exactly
No, I'm not. I already referenced it. Are you going to even attempt to address any of my points or are you content to simply try and evade them with these kinds of non-sequiturs?So you just blatantly ignored what I said about the novel stating blatantly in Chapter One that Kratos was the one responsible for sinking Atlantis, which harks back to his journey in Ghost of Sparta. Okay then.
Asking in general. If it was You specifically would have replied or say your nameWhy are you asking me bruv.
I am aware, I have already addressed this. This does not change the meaning of the conversation between Atropos and Clotho, which directly has Atropos saying she sunk Atlantis with war. The fact that the author contradicted himself does not change this.Well, there we go then. Clear and concise and matches up with Ghost of Sparta perfectly. Atlantis was sunk by Kratos due to his actions in freeing Theia.
I'll say for the third time now, since you keep ignoring it to strawman me: I am not claiming this is the canon version of events. This is doubtlessly, however, what was meant in the conversation between Atropos and Clotho when Atropos claimed to have sunk a continent. Even if that is non-canon or contradicted elsewhere.How is a scan that directly debunks the proposal that "war sunk Atlantis" evading the question? Both the game and the novel reject that notion.
You even agree that the war thing wouldn't line up with canon so I'm not sure what answer you're expecting.
What points are there to tackle here. The novel itself debunks any notion that Atlantis sinking was due to war. IN THE FIRST CHAPTER.No, I'm not. I already referenced it. Are you going to even attempt to address any of my points or are you content to simply try and evade them with these kinds of non-sequiturs?
not enough approval for that, we are in an impassBio hax is getting removed regardless, so I'm just gonna shut up and wait. See you all in 12 hours.
(this didn't need to be 9 fucking pages long btw)
No we aren't, the majority of staff agree with removing biological manipulation.not enough approval for that, we are in an impass
.....the difference between the one's with voting rights is only 1 vote, come onNo we aren't, the majority of staff agree with removing biological manipulation.
I fail to see how you can "doubtlessly" assert a meaning that's rejected both in-game and less than 4 chapters before that point.
Incredible, exactly as I predicted:What points are there to tackle here. The novel itself debunks any notion that Atlantis sinking was due to war. IN THE FIRST CHAPTER.
If, instead, you decide you'd like to engage with my points about what the conversation means instead of spamming that the author contradicted himself, I'm all ears.I expect, despite this, to be immediately responded to with "but that's not canon" for some reason, even though my point is about the meaning of the conversation about sinking a continent and not the official canon explanation for Atlantis sinking.
Well here's a good try!Also if we look deeper into the line...
“What? You do not think well of my work this time, Clotho?”
This is just Atropos praising herself about her work and her skill with the Threads. Nothing about using war specifically to sink a continent.
If you wanna do it your way, nowhere in that scan you posted shows that Clotho mentioned war being the sole purpose of sinking a continent.
The same way a man and a cloud nymph sleeping together could create Centaurs. It's Greek myth. Regardless, even the GOW wiki page on Atlantis tells this version of events before getting into the Ghost of Sparta thing.How the hell would a couple mortals fighting sink a continent anyway?
Neither am I, don't be silly. This part of the Atlantis myth is common knowledge for those familiar with Greek mythology.We're not using another wiki as a reliable source, don't be silly.
let's just say people agreed with your notion about Atlantis' sinking......what does this change about the Biological Manip arguments?Incredible, exactly as I predicted:
If, instead, you decide you'd like to engage with my points about what the conversation means instead of spamming that the author contradicted himself, I'm all ears.
Well here's a good try!
You aren't looking deeper into the line there. You are cutting out the words around it to hide it's context.
Atropos says she's using war as part of the young ruler's fate, Clotho disapproves. Atropos says "Don't you think well of my work this time? I sunk a whole continent this way." Clotho says "Atlantis wasn't worth your effort."
Give it a try. Explain why Clotho brings up Atlantis out of nowhere if the "continent that sunk due to war" -- despite being the exact description of Atlantis in the original myth -- was not what Atropos was referring to and instead is referring to some Atlantis-unrelated war-unrelated sinking of a continent. Explain what Atropos meant by "this way" if not referring to war, the exact thing she just mentioned and Clotho disapproved of.
The same way a man and a cloud nymph sleeping together could create Centaurs. It's Greek myth. Regardless, even the GOW wiki page on Atlantis tells this version of events before getting into the Ghost of Sparta thing.
Bruv. You're the one contradicting yourself here by ignoring what's said in Chapter One. The author didn't contradict anything, you're the one trying to twist it to make it sound like he did.If, instead, you decide you'd like to engage with my points about what the conversation means instead of spamming that the author contradicted himself, I'm all ears.
The fact that Kratos is literally told to be responsible for sinking Atlantis in the very first chapter and the fact that Clotho doesn't even mention the word "war" in that Atlantis line says all I need to know.Well here's a good try!
You aren't looking deeper into the line there. You are cutting out the words around it to hide it's context.
Atropos says she's using war as part of the young ruler's fate, Clotho disapproves. Atropos says "Don't you think well of my work this time? I sunk a whole continent this way." Clotho says "Atlantis wasn't worth your effort."
Give it a try. Explain why Clotho brings up Atlantis out of nowhere if the "continent that sunk due to war" -- despite being the exact description of Atlantis in the original myth -- was not what Atropos was referring to and instead is referring to some Atlantis-unrelated war-unrelated sinking of a continent.
Are you actually using the GoW wiki to justify your argument? Come on man.The same way a man and a cloud nymph ******* could create Centaurs. It's Greek myth. Regardless, even the GOW wiki page on Atlantis tells this version of events before getting into the Ghost of Sparta thing.
Again, the very first chapter shoots your argument in the foot. Bruv, just stop, you aren't helping your case any further.Neither am I, don't be silly. This part of the Atlantis myth is common knowledge for those familiar with Greek mythology.
If I am saying that the author contradicted himself, I am not "ignoring what is said in Chapter One." Chapter One's contents is literally the basis for saying he contradicted himself. Think these things through.Bruv. You're the one contradicting yourself here by ignoring what's said in Chapter One. The author didn't contradict anything, you're the one trying to twist it to make it sound like he did.
Great, so no response, just pointing out again that the author contradicted himself.The fact that Kratos is literally told to be responsible for sinking Atlantis in the very first chapter and the fact that Clotho doesn't even mention the word "war" in that Atlantis line says it all to me.
No, just pointing out that this is common knowledge.Are you actually using the GoW wiki to justify your argument? Come on man.
Boy oh boy! Another strawman. Let me remind you for the fifth time that my position is not that what Atropos said is canon.I fail to see how an interpretation of a conversation takes precedent over both main canon and the same novel confirming said canon events.
Yeah, the staff that agreed with replacing the scan are in the "disagree" section. So even counting them, I still have the majority. I'm also gonna wait the full 12 hours, I was just saying I was aware the thread was accepted and was going to wait until tomorrow to apply the edits.A lot of the staff also agreed with simply replacing the scan, there's only a one vote advantage (Which is irrelevant here anyway because grace) that you still have to wait 12 hours from now to capitalize on, why are you trying to rush the thread before it's met a proper conclusion?
since when is a merely 1 vote difference enough to consider a thread "accepted"?Yeah, the staff that agreed with replacing the scan are in the "disagree" section. So even counting them, I still have the majority. I'm also gonna wait the full 12 hours, I was just saying I was aware the thread was accepted and was going to wait until tomorrow to apply the edits.
@Deagonx once the 48 hour grace period has passed, would it be acceptable for me to apply the edits?
It was suggested that Atropos can pluck a string and arbitrarily sink a continent. This whole argument started because I pointed out that this is not what Atropos said or did, as she explains that she sunk the continent using war, and Clotho immediately reveals that she's referring to Atlantis. The meaning of this conversation is very obvious, and the constant attempts to manipulate even the tiniest bits of literary ambiguity to endorse nonsensical interpretations like "Atropos can literally touch a string (which represents a mortal life) and cause a continent to randomly sink" are what led to the enduring argument. I was simply correcting a misunderstanding about what Atropos said.Then what even is the point of the conversation? Regardless of what Atropos meant, whether war or direct action, it has no bearing here. Its a decanonized interpretation of a feat so it plainly cannot be used. It's not even the only feat of direct nature manipulation by the Sisters, she manipulates a volcanoes fate not long after. What does this add to the current conversation?
@Deagonx once the 48 hour grace period has passed, would it be acceptable for me to apply the edits?
There is no rule on a required amount of vote differences. Only an amount of required votes.since when is a merely 1 vote difference enough to consider a thread "accepted"?