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Bruv, the scan literally says "reweaving them". In the flesh. It doesn't get more blatant than that.
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Minor God of War Removal
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Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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No, it isn't. I never said any of that. I still think we should remove it from everyone. Are you going to answer my original question or not?
Also please tell me we're not seriously considering vaguely crippling someone to be bio hax?
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Can we please drop the proxy insults, especially when some have read the entire novel and others have not. Keep the discussion at hand please.
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That is not what the scan says. "Wasn't she always going on about how dull it was cutting the thread at the precise point that Atropos marked?" Cutting at a different point than what Atropos marked doesn't mean they can create new threads.
The phrase "Lahkesis should not meddle. Spinning, measuring, and cutting the lines of destiny was a moil they should share. Lahkesis should not tend to Kratos alone!"
Unless you're suggesting that Lahkesis created Kratos herself, measured it herself, and cut it herself, then all Atropos is actually saying here is that Lahkesis should not be making decisions unilaterally about destinies (which is already a responsibility we know they share and deliberate on together). Nothing here suggests Lahkesis can create new threads herself.
Spinning =/= Weaving. Spinning is the process of making threads. Weaving is the process of transforming threads into cloth. Clotho is the only one that can spin new threads. Atropos changing the configuration of an existing thread or how they're sitting on the loom isn't spinning a new thread.
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I already did, I do not agree with the proposal to restrict it for Clotho only if this thread gets rejected.
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She already altered its contents completely, it'd be pretty much on par with what Clotho did.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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KLOL, that wasn't my question. I'll quote it again, it doesn't have anything to do with what Deagon is arguing.
See? It's about people "resisting" their bio hax. We agreed to remove the scan about them removing a man's legs, and the proposed replacement scan is about giving birth to twins. Do you think Kratos would need to resist that?
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at this rate, it seems likely that they will just keep going anyways.
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Yeah, and I disagreed with this too. What makes you think they can't do that, when they can make animals and mortals have offspring, or cripple people by plucking said threads?
And for the love of God, please don't use the "Hurr durr, Greek Myth does this too", stop. Unless GoW corroborates this in-verse, we do not assume that such pairings happen by default.
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Altering the contents of an existing thing and creating a new thing are not "on par" they are literally just different tasks. If you find evidence of the others spinning new threads, we'll have something to discuss. Your continued presentation of things other than spinning new threads and pretending they are the same has taken up more space on this thread than is appropriate, so I'll be moving on from this. As is it isn't sufficient.
This isn't referring to the loom. She is using magic to make a cape for herself, as the text says. Are you theorizing that she is using threads of people's lives to create a cape for herself? If so, where is the evidence for that?
No evidence they can do this, rather than simply being something that's possible in GOW.
Pepsimanslover_69
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There's nothing vague. We've already went through how they can affect things supernaturally, like sinking an entire continent for fun by simply manipulating their threads. Crippling someone ain't out of the equation here.
But as if it is bio hax or not, what would it be?
Quibster
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Can you explain how the text, without any other external context, would equate crippling people with bio manipulation? It really just does look like blanket fate manipulation, which would be more categorically consistent than bio manip.
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They didn't do that. Atropos specifically says she accomplished that by causing a war.
Fate manipulation.
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This is the very next paragraph?
That the sparks that come from those threads tell Atropos of their fates should say as much. Also, this is the same book where she shears through a whole skein of threads and ends a nation to make a point. Her being uncaring with the threads is well within her nature.
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Definition of "cripple" as per Oxford:
[usually passive] to seriously damage or harm somebody/something
Quibster
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This... doesn't tell me this is Bio Manipulation
Pepsimanslover_69
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The Sisters of Fate sunk a continent
I don't see how war had anything to do with it. I only have the scan tho so I'm gonna need to check the novel.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Injuring people is bio hax now?
Anyways, what's the vote tally? This thread has hit rock bottom, so I'd appreciate it if we could just apply the removals and move on already.
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Unlike the Young King, they aren't making it so that his body gets damaged by outside means. Kratos is literally on their freakin' doorstep with nothing standing in between them when this happens. They wanted him gone ASAP and so they tried plucking his thread, and it didn't do anything.
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Good grief. Let's read it together.
"[Lahkesis] made cutting motions with her short hooked shaft as if she sliced short some doomed humans life."
"Be serious sister, such a fate is never to be suggested."
Atropos was clearly responding to the cutting motions Lahkesis while the "Sisters of Fate huddled in deep discussion over their judgments."
It had nothing to do with her magic cape, which is not made of life threads.
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This is the current tally:
Agree: Deagonx, Damage3245, LordGriffin1000, Mr._Bambu, DarkGrath, CrimsonStarFallen, Sir_Ovens, Maverick_Zero_X,
Disagree: Planck69, Theglassman12, Emirp sumitpo, DarkDragonMedeus, Elizhaa, DemonGodMitchAubin, KingTempest,
Neutral: AbaddontheDisappointment,
Also, Grace Period is tomorrow in just over 12 hours. Better wait till then. Though I don't think a one-vote gap is enough to pass a thread.
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The scan you just quoted says this directly.
Atropos: "War. I have found a new path to destruction that is fitting for this character."
Clotho: looks and sniffs in contempt
Atropos: "What? You do not think well of my work this time, Clotho? I sunk an entire continent this way!"
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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It is, for a minor removal like this. Especially when sixteen evaluating staff have given their opinion.
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How the hell are you getting that her cream colored cape is made of the same "multihued threads" she creates and bats into the air? Don't ask me to read something I've finished thrice, you somehow saw the word "thread" and thought it applied to her redesigning her clothing.Good grief. Let's read it together.
"[Lahkesis] made cutting motions with her short hooked shaft as if she sliced short some doomed humans life."
"Be serious sister, such a fate is never to be suggested."
Atropos was clearly responding to the cutting motions Lahkesis while the "Sisters of Fate huddled in deep discussion over their judgments."
It had nothing to do with her magic cape, which is not made of life threads.
For goodness sake, the skein remains in the air creating those sparks, it is not her cape. This just feels like a grasp at straws regarding them being able to do each other's works. What are you even focusing on in the above paragraph?
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It would be minor if it didn't involve multiple Tier 1 characters in the foray in a controversial verse.
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There is no official policy on how large of a margin is necessary in the case of disagreements.
I am pointing this out to prevent the discussion from derailing into one about when a thread passes or not. This is not the place for such a discussion.
Pepsimanslover_69
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You quoted a bit weirdly tho,
Atropos: "War. I have found a new path to destruction that is fitting for this character."
Clotho: looks and sniffs in contempt
Atropos: "Plucked the thread and sent ripples down it. What? You do not think well of my work this time, Clotho? I sunk an entire continent this way!"
It seems to me that it is talking about how she plucked a thread caused a continent sinking, not anything relating with War.
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Because I read it, and that's what it says:
(Paraphrasing)
"Lahkesis created a skein of threads, and batted it into the air, where it spun about."
"[Lahkesis] spun about in mid-air, feet not touching the floor, her tapestry of a girdle (a piece of clothing) spiraling outward to match the radius of her wings."
"Trailing downward from her wings and shoulders, a multilayered cape of fine cream-colored silk."
So she creates a bundle of thread and tosses it spinning in the air. Then she starts spinning, and the text describes the girdle "spiraling outward" to match her wingspan, and a cape from her wings appears.
It's really really silly that during this sequence of her tossing a spinning bundle of thread, her spinning and gaining clothing that is also spinning, that you think the best interpretation is that somehow the handheld bundle of threads she creates is a bunch of threads of life, unattached to the loom. This miscomprehension about what the text is actually saying is how we end up with "she changed her mind about the young ruler and decided to manually remove his legs with her magic." This is rather ridiculous.
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No, because after that Clotho says the sunken continent was Atlantis and that clearly happened well in the past.
In addition to the fact that, well, clearly even the portion you quoted is describing a different event than what she is currently doing, as she is responding to Clotho's disapproval by establishing her credibility by talking about a past achievement.
With the full quote, it's very obvious she is rebuking Clotho's disapproval of the fate she's designing for the young ruler by saying "I used war to sink Atlantis" and Clotho says it wasn't worth the effort.
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Atlantis wasn't sunk by War. It was sunk when Kratos freed Thera and she caused havoc.No, because after that Clotho says the sunken continent was Atlantis and that clearly happened well in the past.
In addition to the fact that, well, clearly even the portion you quoted is describing a different event than what she is currently doing, as she is responding to Clotho's disapproval by establishing her credibility by talking about a past achievement.
With the full quote, it's very obvious she is rebuking Clotho's disapproval of the fate she's designing for the young ruler by saying "I used war to sink Atlantis" and Clotho says it wasn't worth the effort.
Pepsimanslover_69
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...War didn't sink Atlantis.No, because after that Clotho says the sunken continent was Atlantis and that clearly happened well in the past.
In addition to the fact that, well, clearly even the portion you quoted is describing a different event than what she is currently doing, as she is responding to Clotho's disapproval by establishing her credibility by talking about a past achievement.
With the full quote, it's very obvious she is rebuking Clotho's disapproval of the fate she's designing for the young ruler by saying "I used war to sink Atlantis" and Clotho says it wasn't worth the effort.
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Agreed. seriously, for pete's sake, Kratos literally visited it and he freed Thera, destroying it in the process.
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It was sunk by war in Greek myth. I am aware it happened differently in "Ghost of Sparta." Regardless, the author of this book clearly did not know that, resulting in him referencing the original myth. The meaning of the text doesn't change either way, even if this telling of it is superceded by something with greater canonicity like another game. In any case the "she plucked the string and randomly a continent sunk" interpretation is wrong, Atropos is saying she sunk Atlantis with war.
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The GoW2 book was released after the PSP games and just a month before Ascension, Deagon, what? The book literally mentions the events of Chains of Olympus, how Morpheus put the Gods to sleep and how Kratos killed Persephone and chained Atlas to forever lift up the Greek World. Why would the author refer to anything else here especially considering SSM gave him all the materials to make the novel adaptation for?
This is just borderline silly.
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Then is throwing a rock to start an avalanche earth manipulation.
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So, are you trying to make the point that despite the fact that the conversation between Atropos and Clotho here clearly indicates that Atropos is justifying her decision to use war -- in the face of Clotho's disapproval -- by referencing "sinking an entire continent this way" which is immediately responded to by Clotho saying "Atlantis was not worth the effort" and the fact that this is a 1:1 retelling of the original Greek myth of how Atlantis sunk because of a war, we should interpret this nonsensically because a different source contradicts it?
That's nonsensical. It doesn't need to be canon, but that is undoubtedly what the author wrote and meant. The comprehension needed to recognize that is shockingly low.
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This novel came out after Ghost of Sparta. It references the side games, Chains of Olympus specifically, as well.
This is a nothing burger of an assumption.
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Facepalm did you just literally shot himself in the foot?
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