Kratos Resistance to Fate Manipulation

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I've literally had this debate ad infinitum at this point and everyone ignores context entirely. The baldur statement is kratos talking about baldurs curse, on top of the fact it was his first fight in centuries.

No he says this before he even realizes Baldur cannot feel pain, the context is him getting yeeted over his house (I'll find the quote)

A rusty kratos is definitely stronger than he ever was. The idea that Baldur is stronger than literally any power Kratos had encountered is also nonsensical, considering Baldur is unarguably not more powerful than Fear Zeus or the power of Hope.

No one is arguing he's Hope though, just that he's not weaker then Zeus

This logic comes from discord outerversalists who believe Magni and Modi fart the greek pantheon out of existence.
Not to mention the blades of chaos, which aren't even the most powerful weapons from the greek pantheon, are straight up stated to be stronger than the leviathan axe and mjolnir, and do a feat not even surtr's blade could achieve.

The problem here is the Blades are clearly much more powerful then they were in the Greek games, they have new Runic attacks and are able to harm characters that are miles superior to the likes of the Furies or even Ares

The muscuslar scan most definitely isn't a joke because kratos has blatantly gotten bigger in ragnarok, showing he has been training is back to what he was in his greek days.

Except him getting bigger doesn't change the fact Kratos' proportions have changed; he's muscular but nowhere near as comic book as he was in the older games.
That ignores body type means nothing for physical strength in the setting, Hades was fat as hell and he was one of the strongest Gods on Olympus, much stronger then the incredibly imposing Atlas.

Kratos didn't keep his strength. He was sitting on his ass every day for centuries with no physical strength that would compare to his god-slaying rampage in previous games.

Except we currently treat him as relative to GOW III Kratos so yes for all intents and purposes he kept his strength. Zeus sat on a throne for millennia and only grew stronger despite his glorious war with the Titans being long ended

There is literally no evidence whatsoever kratos is stronger than he was before, and that's not even including the power of hope.

• Word of God from Barlog
• Word of God from Bruno
• The fact he has a portion of Hope still
• The fact he's not stated as outright weaker then before
• The cosmology of the Norse games lends itself to higher scaling
• Baldur statement
• The fact Greek Gods don't weaken with age

Mimir in-game states the aesir are as powerful a force as he's come upon, and knowing about the greek pantheon in-depth, just reaffirms the common sense that all pantheons are equal in power, with cory also stating all pantheons believe they are stronger than others.

No? If Mimir knows the Olympians well enough to comment on their power and then states the Aesir are as strong a force as he's come across the implication is there that they might be stronger

GoW having one myth more powerful than others would cause massive backlash, especially if they dive into certain myths.

How would it create a massive backlash? It's a fictional reinterpretation of the old myths and they've ignored the ideas of the myths. Thor and the Aesir are outright much more immoral then the practitioners of Norse Paganism believe, Zeus and the Olympians are outright the villains which would surely offend their respective worshippers, Ares is much stronger then in myths.

And then there's the whole idea that, you know, the series is about murdering Gods in brutal ways

That he's stronger than Zeus?

Iirc he claims Baldur hit him harder then anything in his past life which would imply he's not weaker then Zeus

Maybe, But according to the devs he's as strong as he's always been

Is that the statement? The two statements I know is that he would beat his past self in combat (one of which claims he's stronger but idk)

Losing the power of hope (or at least most of it)

In fairness I'm not arguing he's > Hope Kratos, just that he's > III Kratos

his equipment

Most of which is hax based tbh (the only real exception is the Fleece, Blade of Olympus and Cestus)

and not training for centuries, kinda make me unsure of this.

This one I get but I'm unsure if that means he's not as powerful or just not as skilled. I'd note Kratos is seemingly holding back on top of this

It could still be true tho as the Greek gods grow stronger as they age like you stated.

In fairness the novel implies worship empoerment but IDK

Me too. I expect Thor to be the brute strength guy and Odin to be the Hax Specialist.

I'm thinking Odin will just be manipulating us while Thor puts the hurt on us. Dude definitely seems to be as strong or stronger then Kratos

 

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Either way, let's end this discussion here, it's derailment of the central question

 

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The central question has pretty much been answered

 

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Iirc he claims Baldur hit him harder then anything in his past life which would imply he's not weaker then Zeus

still does not make him stronger than zeus, just on the same realm of power (like the other gods)

 

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still does not make him stronger than zeus, just on the same realm of power (like the other gods)

Being relative is sill impressive since Kratos is sloppy and likely holding back here compared to III