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King vs Sanji Rematch 2

Okay since the new chapter didn't exactly prove anything let's get back to discussing the fight.
 
I would give the edge to King. Post Exo Sanji is undoubtedly a strong af opponent with his strength, speed and agility enhanced by his power up. He also has access to powerful Fire based attacks like DJ. King is a skilled fighter with a range of abilities. He has impressive physical strength, can transform into his Zoan form, granting him flight and enhanced mobility. He can also shoot powerful flames which could neutralize Sanji's fire based attacks. King is also a skilled swordsman wielding a sword that he can imbue with fire. His mastery of haki also makes him capable of sensing and predicting Sanji's movements, which could give him an advantage in combat.

I believe King's diverse range of abilities and skills make him more likely to emerge victorious.

Not voting yet
 
Darkvie123 said:
can also shoot powerful flames which could neutralize Sanji's fire based attacks.
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Sanji's flames scale far higher than where King's do.
Darkvie123 said:
His mastery of haki also makes him capable of sensing and predicting Sanji's movements, which could give him an advantage in combat
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Sanji has far greater usage and mastery of kenbun, so this wincon would actually be for Sanji's.


It seems that you have maybe not read this thread yet, so I'd advise you doing that, as it would help you make more informed points.
 
Kachon123 said:
Sanji's flames scale far higher than where King's do.
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Sanji's flames are indeed capable of reaching higher temperatures than King's flames, and he has shown the ability to increase the intensity of his fire based attacks to incredible levels. In this case, IJ would likely be an advantage for Sanji. The increased heat and range of Sanji's flames would make it difficult for King to dodge or defend and could potentially cause significant dmg to King..
Kachon123 said:
Sanji has far greater usage and mastery of kenbun, so this wincon would actually be for Sanji's.


It seems that you have maybe not read this thread yet, so I'd advise you doing that, as it would help you make more informed points.
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Good point Sanji's Mastery with Kenbun would be able to predict King's movements and attacks making it easier for him to evade or counter Kings attacks.

Its def an advantage for Sanji against King, since he could keep up with King's aerial mobility accurately predict his attacks which also his Kenbun could help him avoid any surprise attacks from King or detect any weaknesses in King's Lunarian defenses.

But also its important to note that King is also a skilled user of Haki and would likely be able to sense Sanji's movements and predict his attacks as well. The outcome of the battle would depend on how well Sanji is able to utilize his Kenbun and how well he can counter King's abilities. While Sanji's mastery of Kenbun would be an advantage for him in the fight it wont be a guaranteed victory only bc of it. Sanji would still need to use his other abilities to overcome King range of skills and abilities.
 
iirc King has a higher layer of Armament so that could let him resist Sanji's flames better.
He also has better flight plus danmaku so he can camp the air and spam attacks.
 
i don't remember King having particularly crazy armament. even his profile just mentions he can use Koka on a whim. From what we've seen most of his better durability comes from his zoan and lunarian abilities.
 
Well yeah his Armament can increase his durability, that's another up side to it, but I think it comes from him clashing with Zoro's Haki frequently.
 
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Found an Armament feat for King I think.
Leaning towards King btw
 
Sanji literally uses his own Haki to help him negate Ifrit's heat.
King has a naturally high resistance to heat ( even seen in the Seraphim too ) and I bet he could somewhat resist Ifrit if he adds Haki or blocks it with his sword.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
Sanji literally uses his own Haki to help him negate Ifrit's heat.
King has a naturally high resistance to heat ( even seen in the Seraphim too ) and I bet he could somewhat resist Ifrit if he adds Haki or blocks it with his sword.
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Sanji's exoskeleton heat resistance is already above King's heat resistance, so you can't claim that because Sanji's haki could negate it, King's could as well.

If this makes you understand better (using arbitrary numbers)

If Ifrit's heat = 100

Sanji's exo heat resistance = 40
Sanji haki heat resistance = 60

King heat resistance = 20
King's haki heat resistance = ?


Who's to say that King's haki could boost his heat resistance to the point of Ifrit's heat? We have absolutely no way of knowing.
 
Doesn't he have better Haki, btw?
Perhaps not better Observation, but likely better Armament.
Also people like Sickbeard and Shanks could deflect Akainu's magma by simply imbuing Armament on a sword, I'm sure King could do that here.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
Has Jinbe ever taken flames anyway?
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Prometheus and had his haki burned.
TheMonkeMan said:
He should be able to react to IJ at least enough to dodge or block though.
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I really doubt it.

Sanji's Super Speed and Diable Jambe are each comparable in speed to King's Flame Off Zoan Forms.

Sanji can stack those together to be FTE to King like he did when he did Hell's Memories.
 
Kachon123 said:
Prometheus and had his haki burned.
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Okay.
Kachon123 said:
I really doubt it.

Sanji's Super Speed and Diable Jambe are each comparable in speed to King's Flame Off Zoan Forms.

Sanji can stack those together to be FTE to King like he did when he did Hell's Memories.
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Say what you will but Zoro's Observation > Queen's and King couldn't even be sensed by Zoro when he went FTE to him.
And King's Observation > Queen's too, so if Sanji could even go FTE to him he would probably still sense him somewhere.
Though that's a situational speed amp that Sanji doesn't do often, so he'll probably just use DJ/IJ.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
Though that's a situational speed amp that Sanji doesn't do often, so he'll probably just use DJ/IJ.
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It’s probably better to just assume he would try it rather than brushing off Sanjis wincons by saying “he probably wouldn’t do that”. If King is really pressuring Sanji he will absolutely amp himself. It’s not like he can only use the speed amp in certain conditions or that it takes a long time for him to reach that speed.
 
Godernet said:
It’s probably better to just assume he would try it rather than brushing off Sanjis wincons by saying “he probably wouldn’t do that”. If King is really pressuring Sanji he will absolutely amp himself. It’s not like he can only use the speed amp in certain conditions or that it takes a long time for him to reach that speed.
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Eh fair point.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
Either post some panels of him using Observation or concede.
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LMAO That's not how it works.

All three of them have the same potency of Kenbun. You have to send proof that theirs is any better than Queen's. If you can't do that then this is a moot point.
TheMonkeMan said:
King literally went invisible to him, it just so happened that King got right in front of him and Zoro could slice him fast enough.
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Prior to King attacking him, Zoro was able to sense where King would end up. We see that by Zoro LITERALLY LOOKING in the area he popped up in.

 
Darkvie123 said:
King is a skilled fighter with a range of abilities. He has impressive physical strength, can transform into his Zoan form, granting him flight and enhanced mobility. He can also shoot powerful flames which could neutralize Sanji's fire based attacks. King is also a skilled swordsman wielding a sword that he can imbue with fire. His mastery of haki also makes him capable of sensing and predicting Sanji's movements, which could give him an advantage in combat.

I believe King's diverse range of abilities and skills make him more likely to emerge victorious.

Not voting yet
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Bro, Sanji is the most skilled of the two no questions asked, he also has way more kenbu feats.

Also, his Full Zoan form takes a lot from his mobility as it mostly moves in straight lines, different from Base King and Sanji.
 
I don't know whether to laugh at this guy or be concerned because he's literally not reading what I'm saying or reading the manga.
Kachon123 said:
LMAO That's not how it works.

All three of them have the same potency of Kenbun. You have to send proof that theirs is any better than Queen's. If you can't do that then this is a moot point.
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They don't have the same potency.
Queen has 0 Observation feats, unlike Zoro and King.
You're just talking out your ass here, so I'm gonna take it as a technical concession since you won't provide proof like I asked.
Kachon123 said:
Prior to King attacking him, Zoro was able to sense where King would end up. We see that by Zoro LITERALLY LOOKING in the area he popped up in.

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He's waiting for King to pop up there.
If he could see where King was he wouldn't have been invisible to him.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
He's waiting for King to pop up there.
If he could see where King was he wouldn't have been invisible to him.
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I never said that he wasn't invisible to Zoro. I'm saying that despite that fact, he knew where he would pop up because of his kenbun.
TheMonkeMan said:
Queen has 0 Observation feats, unlike Zoro and King.
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They have the same potency. This is the biggest cope I've seen.
 
Not going in circles over something so obvious.
XDragnoir said:
Bro, Sanji is the most skilled of the two no questions asked, he also has way more kenbu feats.

Also, his Full Zoan form takes a lot from his mobility as it mostly moves in straight lines, different from Base King and Sanji.
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Not sure about skill but King probably has better flight.
Though like you said his mobility is lessened in his Full Zoan form... But he has other forms for that anyway.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
You're just talking out your ass here, so I'm gonna take it as a technical concession since you won't provide proof like I asked.
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Yeah but when people say conceded or when you don't bring any proof against our arguments we're in the wrong?

Ha, good to know.
 
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