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Okay since the new chapter didn't exactly prove anything let's get back to discussing the fight.
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Sanji's flames scale far higher than where King's do.can also shoot powerful flames which could neutralize Sanji's fire based attacks.
Sanji has far greater usage and mastery of kenbun, so this wincon would actually be for Sanji's.His mastery of haki also makes him capable of sensing and predicting Sanji's movements, which could give him an advantage in combat
Sanji's flames are indeed capable of reaching higher temperatures than King's flames, and he has shown the ability to increase the intensity of his fire based attacks to incredible levels. In this case, IJ would likely be an advantage for Sanji. The increased heat and range of Sanji's flames would make it difficult for King to dodge or defend and could potentially cause significant dmg to King..Sanji's flames scale far higher than where King's do.
Good point Sanji's Mastery with Kenbun would be able to predict King's movements and attacks making it easier for him to evade or counter Kings attacks.Sanji has far greater usage and mastery of kenbun, so this wincon would actually be for Sanji's.
It seems that you have maybe not read this thread yet, so I'd advise you doing that, as it would help you make more informed points.
For example?King range of skills and abilities.
It wouldn't.that could let him resist Sanji's flames better.
How??It wouldn't.
Aerial Mobility, Physical Strength and Durability, Mastery Of Haki, Flame Based attacks, Weapon MasteryFor example?
Haki can be burned.How??
That wasn't even the point.Haki can be burned.
But to the point that it can negate Ifrit? I heavily doubt it.That wasn't even the point.
Just like it strengthens Sanji's resistance it should strengthen King's resistance.
Sanji's exoskeleton heat resistance is already above King's heat resistance, so you can't claim that because Sanji's haki could negate it, King's could as well.Sanji literally uses his own Haki to help him negate Ifrit's heat.
King has a naturally high resistance to heat ( even seen in the Seraphim too ) and I bet he could somewhat resist Ifrit if he adds Haki or blocks it with his sword.
More Layers ≠ Better heat resistance.Doesn't he have better Haki, btw?
He wouldn't be able to deflect due to Sanji's speed.Also people like Sickbeard and Shanks could deflect Akainu's magma by simply imbuing Armament on a sword, I'm sure King could do that here.
Has Jinbe ever taken flames anyway?More Layers ≠ Better heat resistance.
Jinbe has higher Buso layers than Sanji but his haki has much less potent heat resistance
He should be able to react to IJ at least enough to dodge or block though.He wouldn't be able to deflect due to Sanji's speed.
Prometheus and had his haki burned.Has Jinbe ever taken flames anyway?
I really doubt it.He should be able to react to IJ at least enough to dodge or block though.
Okay.Prometheus and had his haki burned.
Say what you will but Zoro's Observation > Queen's and King couldn't even be sensed by Zoro when he went FTE to him.I really doubt it.
Sanji's Super Speed and Diable Jambe are each comparable in speed to King's Flame Off Zoan Forms.
Sanji can stack those together to be FTE to King like he did when he did Hell's Memories.
Based on?Zoro's Observation > Queen's
He literally was.King couldn't even be sensed by Zoro when he went FTE to him.
Based on?King's Observation > Queen's
No, only when he kicked Zoro in the mouth did Zoro sense him and I don't need to explain why Zoro could sense him then.He literally was.
It’s probably better to just assume he would try it rather than brushing off Sanjis wincons by saying “he probably wouldn’t do that”. If King is really pressuring Sanji he will absolutely amp himself. It’s not like he can only use the speed amp in certain conditions or that it takes a long time for him to reach that speed.Though that's a situational speed amp that Sanji doesn't do often, so he'll probably just use DJ/IJ.
Eh fair point.It’s probably better to just assume he would try it rather than brushing off Sanjis wincons by saying “he probably wouldn’t do that”. If King is really pressuring Sanji he will absolutely amp himself. It’s not like he can only use the speed amp in certain conditions or that it takes a long time for him to reach that speed.
????No, only when he kicked Zoro in the mouth did Zoro sense him and I don't need to explain why Zoro could sense him then.
Simply having it what?Also give me one Obversation feat from Queen.
This.????
That doesn't make it as good as Zoro or King's.Simply having it what?
Look at his eyes. He knew where King would pop up, he just wasn't fast enough to move.Had to get kicked in the mouth by him to know where to strike.
??? It doesThat doesn't make it as good as Zoro or King's.
No, King literally went invisible to him, it just so happened that King got right in front of him and Zoro could slice him fast enough.Look at his eyes. He knew where King would pop up, he just wasn't fast enough to move.
No it doesn't.??? It does
LMAO That's not how it works.Either post some panels of him using Observation or concede.
Prior to King attacking him, Zoro was able to sense where King would end up. We see that by Zoro LITERALLY LOOKING in the area he popped up in.King literally went invisible to him, it just so happened that King got right in front of him and Zoro could slice him fast enough.
Bro, Sanji is the most skilled of the two no questions asked, he also has way more kenbu feats.King is a skilled fighter with a range of abilities. He has impressive physical strength, can transform into his Zoan form, granting him flight and enhanced mobility. He can also shoot powerful flames which could neutralize Sanji's fire based attacks. King is also a skilled swordsman wielding a sword that he can imbue with fire. His mastery of haki also makes him capable of sensing and predicting Sanji's movements, which could give him an advantage in combat.
I believe King's diverse range of abilities and skills make him more likely to emerge victorious.
Not voting yet
They don't have the same potency.LMAO That's not how it works.
All three of them have the same potency of Kenbun. You have to send proof that theirs is any better than Queen's. If you can't do that then this is a moot point.
Prior to King attacking him, Zoro was able to sense where King would end up. We see that by Zoro LITERALLY LOOKING in the area he popped up in.
I never said that he wasn't invisible to Zoro. I'm saying that despite that fact, he knew where he would pop up because of his kenbun.He's waiting for King to pop up there.
If he could see where King was he wouldn't have been invisible to him.
They have the same potency. This is the biggest cope I've seen.Queen has 0 Observation feats, unlike Zoro and King.
Not sure about skill but King probably has better flight.Bro, Sanji is the most skilled of the two no questions asked, he also has way more kenbu feats.
Also, his Full Zoan form takes a lot from his mobility as it mostly moves in straight lines, different from Base King and Sanji.
Yeah but when people say conceded or when you don't bring any proof against our arguments we're in the wrong?You're just talking out your ass here, so I'm gonna take it as a technical concession since you won't provide proof like I asked.