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I don't think it is, but if you're right, then none of King's attacks can burn Sanji.I think his normal fire is his magma fire.
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I don't think it is, but if you're right, then none of King's attacks can burn Sanji.I think his normal fire is his magma fire.
Why would they be any different?I don't think it is, but if you're right, then none of King's attacks can burn Sanji.
In heat? Why?IMO King's normal/magma fire < Omori Karyudon.
Someone doesn't disagree with you?Concession accepted, later i will take about the speed scale.
No they're definitely different.Why would they be any different?
IMO King's normal/magma fire < Omori Karyudon.
And no they can't burn Sanji, but their raw AP can probably still hurt him, and he still can use it to amp his sword's power like he did against Zoro.
That's just my guess since King thought Omori Karyudon would kill Zoro when his previous Imperial Flames couldn't.In heat? Why?
Calm down, dude. He was just joking.Someone doesn't disagree with you?
Tell them they conceded because they don't feel like negating your blatantly false points!
How?No they're definitely different.
Wouldn't that just be AP?That's just my guess since King thought Omori Karyudon would kill Zoro when his previous Imperial Flames couldn't.
When the person who originally disagrees now agrees, would that not be a concession?Someone doesn't disagree with you?
Tell them they conceded because they don't feel like negating your blatantly false points!
I do not agree with him.When the person who originally disagrees now agrees, would that not be a concession?
I'm not mad btw. He was just lying about me conceding is all.Calm down, dude. He was just joking.
Zoro opted to outright dodge it and compared it to magma.How?
I do not agree with him.
I mean, okay.Sure
My points aren't false? I just literally went through the accepted heat scaling found in this thread and added points that weren't addressed in the thread like Exo Sanji having higher heat resistance than his base (confirmed in the newest SBS) as well as King's Magma Fire which in my opinion is not only clearly different from his normal fire but should also be hotter.Someone doesn't disagree with you?
Tell them they conceded because they don't feel like negating your blatantly false points!
You literally said "sure they do", how exactly am i lying? You literally conceded.I'm not mad btw. He was just lying about me conceding is all.
I mean maybe, but his previous flames burned Zoro though he survived them, so it's a possibly.Wouldn't that just be AP?
I don't think King blitzes.I really think determining whether Flame-Off King can blitz/outpace Sanji is of utmost importance here.
Because Sanji uses Armament for DJ, and then the Exoskeleton on top of that for IJ, meaning his base self can't really withstand those flames.
If King blitzes him and uses a flame attack as well, then Sanij can't react in time to activate Armament+Exoskeleton to heighten his resistance, which will spell trouble for him.
That doesn't explain why it's any different from his normal flames.Zoro opted to outright dodge it and compared it to magma.
I mean, okay.
My points aren't false? I just literally went through the accepted heat scaling found in this thread and added points that weren't addressed in the thread like Exo Sanji having higher heat resistance than his base (confirmed in the newest SBS) as well as King's Magma Fire which in my opinion is not only clearly different from his normal fire but should also be hotter.
You literally said "sure they do", how exactly am i lying? You literally conceded.
It's not a possibly. Thats not how heat scaling works at all.I mean maybe, but his previous flames burned Zoro though he survived them, so it's a possibly.
Yes.Either way, if it hits Sanji, it's gonna hurt.
Proof?Flame-Off Base King = Enhanced Speed Sanji
Proof?Flame-Off Zoan King = IJ Sanji
Make it clear next time or don't get mad when people take what you said at face value.Sarcasm - Wikipedia
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Not true at all, we see Luffy's face acting like rubber when Sanji kicked him with DJ during WCI.Because Sanji uses Armament for DJ, and then the Exoskeleton on top of that for IJ, meaning his base self can't really withstand those flames.
If King blitzes him and uses a flame attack as well, then Sanij can't react in time to activate Armament+Exoskeleton to heighten his resistance, which will spell trouble for him.
So your rebuttal to my argument (which isn't even an argument, i literally just used the accepted heat scaling) is sarcasm and accusations?Sarcasm - Wikipedia
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Ok, then it's AP.It's not a possibly. Thats not how heat scaling works at all.
Both were FTE to people with comparable speeds.Proof?
Going by scaling chains, they should be equal levels of speed amp.Proof?
And then he'd regen.Which means if Sanji gets hit by it, it's gonna hurt. A LOT.
As in badly injure him.
Send a scaling chain.Both were FTE to people with comparable speeds.
1. Sanji was distracted like Marco was against BigMom, as he looked over to Momo to talk to himAnd I just realized that Base King managed to grab Raid Suit Sanji before he could react, and Raid Suit Sanji is faster than DJ Sanji (or is that only with his boosters?).
Send it.Going by scaling chains, they should be equal levels of speed amp.
What attack are you referring to here? If you have the scan with it I'd be grateful.Ok, then it's AP.
Which means if Sanji gets hit by it, it's gonna hurt. A LOT.
As in badly injure him.
Only with boosters, and Sanji was protecting Momo when King grabbed him, so that definitely doesn't give King the edge in speed.And I just realized that Base King managed to grab Raid Suit Sanji before he could react, and Raid Suit Sanji is faster than DJ Sanji (or is that only with his boosters?).
He'd still be out for a good bit, allowing King to hit him before he could regen since he'd have taken a lot of damage.And then he'd regen.
No he couldn'tAnd that's still a big if, as Sanji could just easily blitz the attack.
KSend a scaling chain.
1. Sanji was distracted like Marco was against BigMom, as he looked over to Momo to talk to him
3. Raid Suit Sanji is just as fast as base Sanji and is only faster and stronger when using his boosters, meaning that that scaling does not work.
Zoan Queen reacted to Base Zoro and grabbed him, so they're comparable.Send it.
The one Zoro cut through to defeat King once and for all in chapter 1035.What attack are you referring to here? If you have the scan with it I'd be grateful.
FairOnly with boosters, and Sanji was protecting Momo when King grabbed him, so that definitely doesn't give King the edge in speed.
Oh my god. No way you said this.Not true at all, we see Luffy's face acting like rubber when Sanji kicked him with DJ during WCI.
If you had actually paid attention to the heat scaling, you'd see that most of Kings heat based attacks scale below Sanji's normal heat resistance.
Proof?He'd still be out for a good bit
Why not?No he couldn't
No it's not.Ifrit Jambe (as it is Enhanced speed + DJ)
King believed it'd kill Zoro despite Zoro having survived literally everything King had already thrown at him.Proof?
Because he can't blitz him.Why not?
Yes it is, Sanji says so himself.No it's not.
It's faster acceleration plus hotter flames among other things.Proof?
Why not?
No it's not.
Look at Sanji's stamina. He's endured attacks that should have killed him several times over. He's not going to be out after taking it.Sanji's gonna be in for a world of pain
Yes he can.Because he can't blitz him.
He never said that.Yes it is, Sanji says so himself.
While Sanji with no amps is slowey than Flame Off King, his reactions still scale to himself at his fastest, so he'd still be able to react, just not keep up in long-term, though it that's not a concern given how Sanji can just use his amps.when King has his flame off in time then he gets blitzed
He uses his amps far more likely than King does, so the entire speed portion of your argument is actually in Sanji's favor here but to even an even greater extent than what you wrote.Armament/Exoskeleton active to heighten his resistance
I don't know how good their heat is but I do know King's explosion nearly killed a relatively healthy Zoro on the spot.While Sanji with no amps is slowey than Flame Off King, his reactions still scale to himself at his fastest, so he'd still be able to react, just not keep up in long-term, though it that's not a concern given how Sanji can just use his amps.
He uses his amps far more likely than King does, so the entire speed portion of your argument is actually in Sanji's favor here but to even an even greater extent than what you wrote.
Everything else, I pretty much agree with you, although I feel as though you're downplaying how much of an advantage Sanji has in heat and how that counters King's durability to the point where its not really a wincon for King.
Yeah, that's because the effect of the heat and the shockwave.I don't know how good their heat is but I do know King's explosion nearly a relatively healthy Zoro on the spot.
The way explosive shockwaves injure is by destroying and heavily injuring the brain, the spine, and hollow organs such as the lungs, stomach, and intestines.
And although it scales above Sanji's AP value, because of his endurance, he should be able to survive this in time for his body to regenerate. We've seen Sanji take attacks to the brain, spine, and torso several times before that would have completely destroyed them, but he kept on going and fighting without issue, so I don't see why this would kill Sanji at all.
Just realized I didn't include the word killed at firstI don't know how good their heat is but I do know King's explosion nearly killed a relatively healthy Zoro on the spot.
It's the fact that it's a very sudden explosion and as I said before, if Sanji doesn't defend in time he'll still get burnt to some degree.Yeah, that's because the effect of the heat and the shockwave.
The heat wouldn't effect him and I addressed the shockwave here
No he wouldn't due to heat scaling.if Sanji doesn't defend in time he'll still get burnt to some degree
The heat scaling that he has via being able to activate his Haki/Exoskeleton in time?No he wouldn't due to heat scaling.
1. Sanji has heat resistance outside of his ExoskeletonThe heat scaling that he has via being able to activate his Haki/Exoskeleton in time?
Which he possibly can't do here if he can't react in time?
Okay then, what proof do you have that DJ uses his Buso? Nothing like that was ever stated afaik.Oh my god. No way you said this.
"Add the color of Armament Haki I've developed to my Exoskeleton"Okay then, what proof do you have that DJ uses his Buso? Nothing like that was ever stated afaik.
Because he knows Zoro isn't stupid.3. King has never used his explosion outside of his Flame On mode, and only used it once out of his entire fight with Zoro, meaning that he's not likely to use it here
Except Zoro's Kenbun didn't help him and he still got baited into it.4. Sanji has kenbun, so he'd be able to read King's intention and hewouldn't get baited
Sanji is smarter than Zoro.Because he knows Zoro isn't stupid.
Once Zoro stopped the force of it (somewhat) King knew not to bother trying it again because Zoro isn't the type of person to do the same thing twice knowing it could kill him.
Sanji uses Kenbun in fights much more than Zoro does.Except Zoro's Kenbun didn't help him and he still got baited into it.
That literally only applies to Ifrit, not for DJ."Add the color of Armament Haki I've developed to my Exoskeleton"
Sanji more often than not uses Haki to heighten his flame resistance and AP.
Like where do you think most of his Haki feats come from?