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King vs Sanji Rematch 2

I don't think it is, but if you're right, then none of King's attacks can burn Sanji.
Why would they be any different?

IMO King's normal/magma fire < Omori Karyudon.

And no they can't burn Sanji, but their raw AP can probably still hurt him, and he still can use it to amp his sword's power like he did against Zoro.
 
Concession accepted, later i will take about the speed scale.
Someone doesn't disagree with you?
Tell them they conceded because they don't feel like negating your blatantly false points!
Why would they be any different?

IMO King's normal/magma fire < Omori Karyudon.

And no they can't burn Sanji, but their raw AP can probably still hurt him, and he still can use it to amp his sword's power like he did against Zoro.
No they're definitely different.
 
In heat? Why?
That's just my guess since King thought Omori Karyudon would kill Zoro when his previous Imperial Flames couldn't.

Either way it won't burn Sanji that much, if at all, but it'll definitely still hurt him.

If only Sanji could firebend like Zuko, I'd pay money to see him firebend with his legs and feet
 
I really think determining whether Flame-Off King can blitz/outpace Sanji is of utmost importance here.
Because Sanji uses Armament for DJ, and then the Exoskeleton on top of that for IJ, meaning his base self can't really withstand those flames.
If King blitzes him and uses a flame attack as well, then Sanij can't react in time to activate Armament+Exoskeleton to heighten his resistance, which will spell trouble for him.
When the person who originally disagrees now agrees, would that not be a concession?
I do not agree with him.
Calm down, dude. He was just joking.
I'm not mad btw. He was just lying about me conceding is all.
Zoro opted to outright dodge it and compared it to magma.
 
Someone doesn't disagree with you?
Tell them they conceded because they don't feel like negating your blatantly false points!
My points aren't false? I just literally went through the accepted heat scaling found in this thread and added points that weren't addressed in the thread like Exo Sanji having higher heat resistance than his base (confirmed in the newest SBS) as well as King's Magma Fire which in my opinion is not only clearly different from his normal fire but should also be hotter.


I'm not mad btw. He was just lying about me conceding is all.
You literally said "sure they do", how exactly am i lying? You literally conceded.
 
Wouldn't that just be AP?
I mean maybe, but his previous flames burned Zoro though he survived them, so it's a possibly.

Either way, if it hits Sanji, it's gonna hurt.

I really think determining whether Flame-Off King can blitz/outpace Sanji is of utmost importance here.
Because Sanji uses Armament for DJ, and then the Exoskeleton on top of that for IJ, meaning his base self can't really withstand those flames.
If King blitzes him and uses a flame attack as well, then Sanij can't react in time to activate Armament+Exoskeleton to heighten his resistance, which will spell trouble for him.
I don't think King blitzes.

Flame-Off Base King = Enhanced Speed Sanji

Flame-Off Zoan King = IJ Sanji (Which is Enhanced speed + DJ, since the first time Sanji used enhanced speed against Queen and then used Hell Memories, he used DJ so Queen lost sight of him, then used DJ while seemingly not using enhanced speed)

So Sanji has one advantage that Zoro didn't have (besides better heat resistance) against King: Combat speed parity (at minimum).
Zoro opted to outright dodge it and compared it to magma.
That doesn't explain why it's any different from his normal flames.
 
I mean, okay.
My points aren't false? I just literally went through the accepted heat scaling found in this thread and added points that weren't addressed in the thread like Exo Sanji having higher heat resistance than his base (confirmed in the newest SBS) as well as King's Magma Fire which in my opinion is not only clearly different from his normal fire but should also be hotter.



You literally said "sure they do", how exactly am i lying? You literally conceded.

 
Because Sanji uses Armament for DJ, and then the Exoskeleton on top of that for IJ, meaning his base self can't really withstand those flames.
If King blitzes him and uses a flame attack as well, then Sanij can't react in time to activate Armament+Exoskeleton to heighten his resistance, which will spell trouble for him.
Not true at all, we see Luffy's face acting like rubber when Sanji kicked him with DJ during WCI.

If you had actually paid attention to the heat scaling, you'd see that most of Kings heat based attacks scale below Sanji's normal heat resistance.
So your rebuttal to my argument (which isn't even an argument, i literally just used the accepted heat scaling) is sarcasm and accusations?
 
It's not a possibly. Thats not how heat scaling works at all.
Ok, then it's AP.

Which means if Sanji gets hit by it, it's gonna hurt. A LOT.

As in badly injure him.
Both were FTE to people with comparable speeds.
Going by scaling chains, they should be equal levels of speed amp.

And I just realized that Base King managed to grab Raid Suit Sanji before he could react, and Raid Suit Sanji is faster than DJ Sanji (or is that only with his boosters?).
 
Which means if Sanji gets hit by it, it's gonna hurt. A LOT.

As in badly injure him.
And then he'd regen.

And that's still a big if, as Sanji could just easily blitz the attack.
Both were FTE to people with comparable speeds.
Send a scaling chain.
And I just realized that Base King managed to grab Raid Suit Sanji before he could react, and Raid Suit Sanji is faster than DJ Sanji (or is that only with his boosters?).
1. Sanji was distracted like Marco was against BigMom, as he looked over to Momo to talk to him
2. We see right before that Sanji was able to react to and block hits from both Flame off and Flame on Base King, so that'd be an outlier
3. Raid Suit Sanji is just as fast as base Sanji and is only faster and stronger when using his boosters, meaning that that scaling does not work.
Going by scaling chains, they should be equal levels of speed amp.
Send it.
 
Ok, then it's AP.

Which means if Sanji gets hit by it, it's gonna hurt. A LOT.

As in badly injure him.
What attack are you referring to here? If you have the scan with it I'd be grateful.
And I just realized that Base King managed to grab Raid Suit Sanji before he could react, and Raid Suit Sanji is faster than DJ Sanji (or is that only with his boosters?).
Only with boosters, and Sanji was protecting Momo when King grabbed him, so that definitely doesn't give King the edge in speed.
 
And then he'd regen.
He'd still be out for a good bit, allowing King to hit him before he could regen since he'd have taken a lot of damage.
And that's still a big if, as Sanji could just easily blitz the attack.
No he couldn't
Send a scaling chain.

1. Sanji was distracted like Marco was against BigMom, as he looked over to Momo to talk to him
3. Raid Suit Sanji is just as fast as base Sanji and is only faster and stronger when using his boosters, meaning that that scaling does not work.
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Zoan Queen reacted to Base Zoro and grabbed him, so they're comparable.

Zoan Queen << Enhanced speed Sanji (FTE/blitz) < Ifrit Jambe (as it is Enhanced speed + DJ)

Zoro << Flame Off Base King (FTE) < Flame-Off Zoan King
 
Not true at all, we see Luffy's face acting like rubber when Sanji kicked him with DJ during WCI.

If you had actually paid attention to the heat scaling, you'd see that most of Kings heat based attacks scale below Sanji's normal heat resistance.
Oh my god. No way you said this.
This is the same as Cracker stabbing Luffy and Luffy not even getting penetrated.
Or Doflamingo kicking him and Luffy not getting penetrated or hurt at all.
 
Sanji's gonna be in for a world of pain
Look at Sanji's stamina. He's endured attacks that should have killed him several times over. He's not going to be out after taking it.
Because he can't blitz him.
Yes he can.
Yes it is, Sanji says so himself.
He never said that.

Sanji used his enhanced speed when he used Ifrit against Queen, but in the text on the left side of the panel, he stated what Ifrit actually was.

Ifrit = Hotter flames that Sanji can conjure that are so hot that he needs Armament added with his Exoskeleton so he won't get burned.

Sanji used his Super Speed and his Exoskeleton Muscle to make his kicks stronger, but Ifrit itself does not need the either of them.

Ifrit > DJ >(FTE) Zoan Queen > Base Zoro (FTE)< Flame Off Base King < Flame-Off Zoan King

Sanji can stack his Enhanced Speed with either of these, he just doesn't need to.


Saying that Ifrit Jambe needs his Enhanced Speed in order to be used is like saying Diable Jambe needs his Enhanced Speed just because he used it when he did Hell's Memories at the end of Chapter 1031.
 
Kachon ain't reading it right lol.
Anyway I think AP might go to King somewhat.
Durability too ( Duh )
Speed is debatable, if Sanji doesn't use speed amps when King has his flame off in time then he gets blitzed and consequently burnt if he doesn't have Armament/Exoskeleton active to heighten his resistance, however as shown during his fight against Marco and some of his fight against Zoro he hardly turns the flame off so this wouldn't is very unlikely anyway.
Stamina/Endurance is probably Sanji's forte here, while he did pass out after his fight with Queen that was due to several things like being tied up and tortured, having to fly around with the Raid Suit on while holding Momo, etc. on top of that fight.
So he should be able to last long enough until the outcome of this fight.
Honestly, Sanji's best bets are having speed on par with King's, and hot enough flames to at least somewhat burn King with IJ.
King has superior Durability and AP ( iirc ), plus better flight and possibly superior Armament.
 
when King has his flame off in time then he gets blitzed
While Sanji with no amps is slowey than Flame Off King, his reactions still scale to himself at his fastest, so he'd still be able to react, just not keep up in long-term, though it that's not a concern given how Sanji can just use his amps.
Armament/Exoskeleton active to heighten his resistance
He uses his amps far more likely than King does, so the entire speed portion of your argument is actually in Sanji's favor here but to even an even greater extent than what you wrote.

Everything else, I pretty much agree with you, although I feel as though you're downplaying how much of an advantage Sanji has in heat and how that counters King's durability to the point where its not really a wincon for King.
 
While Sanji with no amps is slowey than Flame Off King, his reactions still scale to himself at his fastest, so he'd still be able to react, just not keep up in long-term, though it that's not a concern given how Sanji can just use his amps.

He uses his amps far more likely than King does, so the entire speed portion of your argument is actually in Sanji's favor here but to even an even greater extent than what you wrote.

Everything else, I pretty much agree with you, although I feel as though you're downplaying how much of an advantage Sanji has in heat and how that counters King's durability to the point where its not really a wincon for King.
I don't know how good their heat is but I do know King's explosion nearly killed a relatively healthy Zoro on the spot.
 
I don't know how good their heat is but I do know King's explosion nearly a relatively healthy Zoro on the spot.
Yeah, that's because the effect of the heat and the shockwave.

The heat wouldn't effect him and I addressed the shockwave here

The way explosive shockwaves injure is by destroying and heavily injuring the brain, the spine, and hollow organs such as the lungs, stomach, and intestines.

And although it scales above Sanji's AP value, because of his endurance, he should be able to survive this in time for his body to regenerate. We've seen Sanji take attacks to the brain, spine, and torso several times before that would have completely destroyed them, but he kept on going and fighting without issue, so I don't see why this would kill Sanji at all.
 
I don't know how good their heat is but I do know King's explosion nearly killed a relatively healthy Zoro on the spot.
Just realized I didn't include the word killed at first
Yeah, that's because the effect of the heat and the shockwave.

The heat wouldn't effect him and I addressed the shockwave here
It's the fact that it's a very sudden explosion and as I said before, if Sanji doesn't defend in time he'll still get burnt to some degree.
 
The heat scaling that he has via being able to activate his Haki/Exoskeleton in time?
Which he possibly can't do here if he can't react in time?
1. Sanji has heat resistance outside of his Exoskeleton
2. Sanji would have his Exoskeleton activated before King even uses it
3. King has never used his explosion outside of his Flame On mode, and only used it once out of his entire fight with Zoro, meaning that he's not likely to use it here
4. Sanji has kenbun, so he'd be able to read King's intention and hewouldn't get baited
5. Sanji's reaction speed scales to himself at his fastest, so he'd definitely be able to react
 
Okay then, what proof do you have that DJ uses his Buso? Nothing like that was ever stated afaik.
"Add the color of Armament Haki I've developed to my Exoskeleton"
Sanji more often than not uses Haki to heighten his flame resistance and AP.
Like where do you think most of his Haki feats come from?
3. King has never used his explosion outside of his Flame On mode, and only used it once out of his entire fight with Zoro, meaning that he's not likely to use it here
Because he knows Zoro isn't stupid.
Once Zoro stopped the force of it (somewhat) King knew not to bother trying it again because Zoro isn't the type of person to do the same thing twice knowing it could kill him.
4. Sanji has kenbun, so he'd be able to read King's intention and hewouldn't get baited
Except Zoro's Kenbun didn't help him and he still got baited into it.
 
Because he knows Zoro isn't stupid.
Once Zoro stopped the force of it (somewhat) King knew not to bother trying it again because Zoro isn't the type of person to do the same thing twice knowing it could kill him.
Sanji is smarter than Zoro.

Also, the OP says that they are both in character, meaning that King would likely not use it.
Except Zoro's Kenbun didn't help him and he still got baited into it.
Sanji uses Kenbun in fights much more than Zoro does.
 
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