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Yeah.
No.
I don't know how in the hell yall got away with this shit but this needs to be removed from Obito, Madara, and Guy's profile right about now.
The Reason This Got Accepted
Basically this
The next line directly talks about how Naruto "ALSO" got the ABILITIES of the Six Paths. There is where my issue lies.
In Naruto, the term chakra has the same translation as the term "power". This is why statements like this where it says Naruto can use Kurama's enormous power is tied with Kurama's ridiculous amounts of chakra, which could fairly be taken as relative definitions.
Madara got massive amounts of chakra and referred to it as Six Paths Power.
Kakashi and Minato call his chakra Six Paths Power.
Obito steals his chakra and Madara refers to it as Sage Power.
Naruto got chakra from Hagoromo and called it "Super Gramps Power".
Naruto and Sasuke talk about Six Paths Power, which is Hagoromo's chakra and not his direct strength.
Zetsu.
This being attack potency is bullshit.
The next line directly talks about how Naruto "ALSO" got the ABILITIES of the Six Paths. There is where my issue lies.
In Naruto, the term chakra has the same translation as the term "power". This is why statements like this where it says Naruto can use Kurama's enormous power is tied with Kurama's ridiculous amounts of chakra, which could fairly be taken as relative definitions.
Madara got massive amounts of chakra and referred to it as Six Paths Power.
Kakashi and Minato call his chakra Six Paths Power.
Obito steals his chakra and Madara refers to it as Sage Power.
Naruto got chakra from Hagoromo and called it "Super Gramps Power".
Naruto and Sasuke talk about Six Paths Power, which is Hagoromo's chakra and not his direct strength.
Zetsu.
Why It's Not Attack Potency
A different translation of the statement in a version of the novel that I found online says this.
Talking about how Obito had chakra rivaling that of Hagoromo.
We can take this as either relative levels of strength of chakra or reserves, which was given by the chakra reserves of the Juubi.
Because of this thread, we learned that having more chakra is relative to having more AP. A statement from the OP of that thread in the counters say this.
And Obito gained more chakra via the Juubi, making him stronger.
Why does it make no sense?
Talking about how Obito had chakra rivaling that of Hagoromo.
We can take this as either relative levels of strength of chakra or reserves, which was given by the chakra reserves of the Juubi.
Because of this thread, we learned that having more chakra is relative to having more AP. A statement from the OP of that thread in the counters say this.
And Obito gained more chakra via the Juubi, making him stronger.
Why does it make no sense?
Powerscaling
Hagoromo without the Ten Tails is currently accepted as Moon level+ for scaling to half of the value to launch his Chibaku Tensei into space.
Hagoromo is also undoubtedly stronger than everybody in the series up to Kaguya and the six paths people.
Obito is someone who struggles with KCM2 Naruto and base Madara and people of that level.
They are given 2 buffs.
Obito: Shukaku, Matatabi, Isobu, Son Gokū, Kokuō, Saiken, Chōmei, a piece of a tail of Gyūki, a fraction of Kurama
Hagoromo: Shukaku, Matatabi, Isobu, Son Gokū, Kokuō, Saiken, Chōmei, the full Gyūki, the full Kurama
Kurama in itself is stronger than like 5 bijuu, and Hagoromo had 2 halves of him + the full Gyuki.
So Hagoromo was given a far superior amp to Obito while being astronomically stronger than his base form, and for some reason Obito scales relative to him?
Not including the famous "Madara < Hagoromo" statement.
Thanks to this thread, Rinnegan and Sharingan are Amps to AP.
Here's the scaling chain.
Stable Juubito ~ Hagoromo.
Hagoromo > 2 Rinnegan Madara
Hagoromo ~ Stable Juubito < 1 Rinnegan Madara < 1 Rinnegan Mixed with God Tree Madara < 1 Rinnegan and 1 Sharingan Mixed with God Tree Madara < 2 Rinnegan Madara Mixed With God Tree < Kaguya
So yeah. This makes no damn sense.
Hagoromo is also undoubtedly stronger than everybody in the series up to Kaguya and the six paths people.
Obito is someone who struggles with KCM2 Naruto and base Madara and people of that level.
They are given 2 buffs.
Obito: Shukaku, Matatabi, Isobu, Son Gokū, Kokuō, Saiken, Chōmei, a piece of a tail of Gyūki, a fraction of Kurama
Hagoromo: Shukaku, Matatabi, Isobu, Son Gokū, Kokuō, Saiken, Chōmei, the full Gyūki, the full Kurama
Kurama in itself is stronger than like 5 bijuu, and Hagoromo had 2 halves of him + the full Gyuki.
So Hagoromo was given a far superior amp to Obito while being astronomically stronger than his base form, and for some reason Obito scales relative to him?
Not including the famous "Madara < Hagoromo" statement.
Thanks to this thread, Rinnegan and Sharingan are Amps to AP.
Here's the scaling chain.
Stable Juubito ~ Hagoromo.
Hagoromo > 2 Rinnegan Madara
Hagoromo ~ Stable Juubito < 1 Rinnegan Madara < 1 Rinnegan Mixed with God Tree Madara < 1 Rinnegan and 1 Sharingan Mixed with God Tree Madara < 2 Rinnegan Madara Mixed With God Tree < Kaguya
So yeah. This makes no damn sense.
Chakra Control
Basically this.
B-b-b-b-but Tempest, chakra control is a thing, and since chakra control is a thing people can control the chakra levels that they have and use different amounts, so maybe Obito was just better with chakra control than Hagoromo was!
Yeah no.
A part of Kurama's conscious was inside Juubito since a piece of him, that was ripped out, was absorbed into his body, which means he knew how good his chakra control was.
Kurama basically said that Sasuke had the best chakra control he's ever seen (do not derail and focus on the fact that it's not the exact same wording like every other thread) and he compared it to Hagoromo's saying that Hagoromo's is at the highest tier of chakra control.
Via his many feats, it's obvious Hagoromo's chakra control was up there.
So Hagoromo has
A. Stronger base
B. Stronger amp
C. Better chakra control
And Obito is somehow relative to his power?
Then what does that sentence mean?
B-b-b-b-but Tempest, chakra control is a thing, and since chakra control is a thing people can control the chakra levels that they have and use different amounts, so maybe Obito was just better with chakra control than Hagoromo was!
Yeah no.
A part of Kurama's conscious was inside Juubito since a piece of him, that was ripped out, was absorbed into his body, which means he knew how good his chakra control was.
Kurama basically said that Sasuke had the best chakra control he's ever seen (do not derail and focus on the fact that it's not the exact same wording like every other thread) and he compared it to Hagoromo's saying that Hagoromo's is at the highest tier of chakra control.
Via his many feats, it's obvious Hagoromo's chakra control was up there.
So Hagoromo has
A. Stronger base
B. Stronger amp
C. Better chakra control
And Obito is somehow relative to his power?
Then what does that sentence mean?
The Sentence is Not For AP
Power in this context refers to ability.
Before Madara even knew how Six Paths Chakra was, he said that Obito was like Hagoromo. He obviously wasn't referring to the chakra or the potency, which is why he was so brand new when he got the Six Paths chakra. He didn't know how strong it was. Not including the fact that he never met him.
Kakashi refers to Kaguya's ability as a "power".
Obito said he had the same power as Hagoromo before he even pulled out the sword of something. The context talked about the ability of nullifying ninjutsu, an ability.
Madara said that he had Naruto and Sasuke's powers, referencing the Six Paths Senjutsu and the Rinnegan, 2 abilities.
Sakura refers to the ridiculous Chibaku Tensei's as Six Paths Power.
Madara "Power of the Rinne". Self explanatory.
Zetsu.
Obito.
The one time they refer to strength of chakra in this whole shenanigan is when Naruto says that Kaguya's chakra is stronger than the Juubi's (Odd, since via our powerscaling, everybody should be stronger than the Juubi at that time, but whatever).
Power in that entire arc is referred to as ability. No reason why it's AP only in that context.
Before Madara even knew how Six Paths Chakra was, he said that Obito was like Hagoromo. He obviously wasn't referring to the chakra or the potency, which is why he was so brand new when he got the Six Paths chakra. He didn't know how strong it was. Not including the fact that he never met him.
Kakashi refers to Kaguya's ability as a "power".
Obito said he had the same power as Hagoromo before he even pulled out the sword of something. The context talked about the ability of nullifying ninjutsu, an ability.
Madara said that he had Naruto and Sasuke's powers, referencing the Six Paths Senjutsu and the Rinnegan, 2 abilities.
Sakura refers to the ridiculous Chibaku Tensei's as Six Paths Power.
Madara "Power of the Rinne". Self explanatory.
Zetsu.
Obito.
The one time they refer to strength of chakra in this whole shenanigan is when Naruto says that Kaguya's chakra is stronger than the Juubi's (Odd, since via our powerscaling, everybody should be stronger than the Juubi at that time, but whatever).
Power in that entire arc is referred to as ability. No reason why it's AP only in that context.
Hiding The Inconsistency
Basically, something that went on in that thread went like this.
Apparently he was around a value like 230 Exatons or something?
We don't even scale like that.
Saying that he's relative then making him like 80% as strong as him? No.
Either he scales or he doesn't. And via the scaling chains, the explanations, etc., he doesn't.
There is no reason for him to backscale and scale under a large scaling chain of people. We don't backscale like that.
Apparently he was around a value like 230 Exatons or something?
We don't even scale like that.
Saying that he's relative then making him like 80% as strong as him? No.
Either he scales or he doesn't. And via the scaling chains, the explanations, etc., he doesn't.
What needs to be done?
Remove the AP rating from him and those who scale.
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