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Deltarune: Chapter 5 (SPOILER!!) Discussion Thread

Anything else to say?
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Edutyn said:
They're eating my flesh!

Just one small thing, LS should scale to this. It was accepted in a previous crt but never got applied to all the profiles
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Well, with that, I think we're all set
I'll post it in a few moments, if there's anything else, it can always be added with a CRT
 
Zyurtunder13 said:
True, is that also why he was matched by the same person that he was already damaging in his "base" before? He became stronger but seven times? That's definitely not what happened in the fight, heck what is his base truly here, because he also absorbed the strength of his recruits before going Omega, so what's his scaling here?
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Eden_Warlock99 said:
We already know Kris holds back a lot. They can even outdamage Rude Buster on the Sword Route. Plus if we end up going purely by damage numbers, Omega Flowery ends up weaker than his base so ???
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Very interesting
 
Qurbonboev said:
Ok, Toby is serious on this topic. I am contemplating Yellowing myself.
Either I will find a way to fully separate scaling of fodders and Titan, or I am gonna nuke City scaling (scaling fodders to Titans isn't an option)
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On that topic. Some people argued that we should scale Shinobeetle (and every recruit with comparable stats) to Gang (and thus 7-B), since Shuriken was regarded as genuine threat to Susie.
But replaying it, it's pretty obvious that Susie was caught off guard by it, and in UTDR being off guard drastically decreases your defense. Shinobeetle doesn't necessarily need to poccess comparable stats to Gang, sneak attack from it would still be dangerous.
Thus I can dismiss one of the potential venues of scaling fodders to Main Cast.
 
From Pink's profile:
Same as before, and given Ghost Pink always goes to possess Body Pink whenever she's about to attack and never attempts to do so otherwise,
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Isn't this incorrect? She very much attacks in her ghost form here. I guess her attacks are limited but still.
 
We’re also scaling RK to 7x city as well, right (which would also apply to base Flowery’s subjective reality ig)? They should still be narratively stronger than nearly everyone seen so far, including OF
 
Axorandom0 said:
We’re also scaling RK to 7x city as well, right (which would also apply to base Flowery’s subjective reality ig)? They should still be narratively stronger than nearly everyone seen so far, including OF
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The Knight bypassed his fake statistics, so one-shotting him isn't really an upgrade.
 
Ti58 said:
Is the Titan actually clearly stronger than the Ch4 Fun Gang though? The reason it's hard to defeat is because of its incredibly high DF of 800, but the Fun Gang can pretty clearly tank attacks from it.
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SOUL-boosted Rude Buster also does massive damage to the Titan, and yeah, Gerson is there, but their damage output is portrayed separately, so yeah, the Fun Gang can actually fight on Titan level
 
Ti58 said:
The Knight is superior to Kris however.
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God_of_perversion said:
Knight > Kris > Flowery
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Yeah, but Kris > Flowery is nothingburger when Flowery is clearly holding back in the whole fight. I genuinely don't see how that suddenly upscales the Knight to 7× stronger in this case. Y'all are seriously not saying that Kris can actually damage 99 DF, much so when Flowery is in his Omega form? Not to mention that Kris is literally unconscious in the final clash with Flowery, even then that's an anti-feats for “Kris > Flowery” being actually the case.

EDIT: Nvm, I get it now.
 
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Ti58 said:
Who wins in a fight, Ralsei (not holding back), Kris (not holding back) or Flowery (not holding back)?
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Ralsei said that he could burn flowery, and bro didn't correct him

Kris hardly beaten flowery with all the indications that flowery was holding back, in the knight fight Kris deals too little damage to them even while they hold back less with higher damage dealt if Susie and ralsei are swooned, with fake statistics, flowery could had even killed them with those multiple 999 hits, but specifically the knight could negate them

(Flowey being surprised that his fake statistics didn't work means they normally do)
 
What I'm guessing should scale to 44.1 megatons of TNT (7x baseline city level):
  • Omega Flowery
  • Kris while not holding back
  • the Roaring Knight
  • Flowery with fake statistics
  • Ralsei's FireShock
  • Gerson Boom
  • Titan's durability with its shield up
  • possibly a Titan Spawn's durability on account of it having higher DF than Flowery with fake stats
  • possibly the Player in the dark world
 
Ti58 said:
What I'm guessing should scale to 44.1 megatons of TNT (7x baseline city level):
  • Omega Flowery
  • Kris while not holding back
  • the Roaring Knight
  • Flowery with fake statistics
  • Ralsei's FireShock
  • Gerson Boom
  • Titan's durability with its shield up
  • possibly a Titan Spawn's durability on account of it having higher DF than Flowery with fake stats
  • possibly the Player in the dark world
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This all makes sense to me
 
Ti58 said:
I mean you can see his stats in the menu when he's in the party, it's AT 99 DF 99
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Menu just can't show stats above 99 or smth, cause they wouldn't count as max stats if there were higher stats, no?
That and the Ralsei line above would make no sense if HP was the only stat at 999
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Menu just can't show stats above 99 or smth, cause they wouldn't count as max stats if there were higher stats, no?
That and the Ralsei line above would make no sense if HP was the only stat at 999
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I mean, it very much has space to show stats above 99
Equip_screenshot_Flowery.png

We even have examples of this:
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As to why the Ralsei line is that, I don't think it makes sense for him to say "You can't just give yourself either 99 or 999 in everything!"
 
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It's definitely really weird, like still why does Ralsei say the 999 thing?
Main point is that no one should scale to fake stats Flowery, he nearly instantly defeated the Knight, no way the Spawn that the LV4 gang can kill is above that.
 
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