Juubito Speed Upgrade

[Ghostimuscrime]

For Context, I got the idea of this from this crt, while it got one greenlight I thought it is best to make a whole new crt for it since this affects 5-6 important characters



Mifune's attack speed is light speed, it's called beam of light as well as stated as a light speed attack [1c]
(This is accepted as Light Speed in a past crt)

When he striked, fodder Hyuga's Attacks, Temari's wind, Gyuki's Bijuudama all travelled in tandem and
attacked the ten tails, Gyuki's TBB traversed more distance than the beam of light. Thanks to Kurama's
chakra, fodder Hyugas and Temari had their attack speeds raised to ftl levels. As attack speeds are
power feats & rely on how much energy you exert into an attack that helps it propel forward, Kurama's
massively stronger than anyone he amps it would mean his TBB is much faster than FTL with his MKCM
Avatar, he also is relative/superior to Gyuki and would be comparable to his TBB speeds as the strongest
bijuu

Juubito reacts to MKCM+SM Naruto's Bijuudama gaining FTL combat speed [1c]
and everyone that is scaled to Juubito's speed gets upgraded from subrel to ftl

Spoiler: Profiles Affected

WHO GETS FTL ATTACK SPEED
Gyuki TBB(kurama cloak), Temari wind style (kurama cloak), Mifune Beam of Light (he already has it so no changes
to him), hyugas & MKCM Kurama Avatar TBB

WHO GETS FTL COMBAT SPEED​

Juubito, MKCM2+SM naruto KA, EMS Sasuke Susano, Tobirama
Alive SM+ 1 rinnegan Madara (is scaled to Tobirama)

Spoiler: JUSTIFICATION

Gyuki : FTL attack speed via Bijuubombs (Attacked in tandem with mifune's light beam matching his speed) {Naruto#617}
Temari : Bla (reacted to x person), upto FTL attack speeds when amped by Kurama's cloaks (Attacked in tandem with mifune's light beam matching his speed) {Naruto#617}
MKCM Kurama Avatar : FTL attack speed via Bijuubombs (His attack speed would be massively above V1 Cloak Temari and Hyugas who's attack speed raise massively from mere fractions of Kurama's chakra, comaprable to Gyuki) {Naruto#617}
Juubito : FTL (reacted to Naruto's Bijuubomb in his controlled state) {Naruto#649}

People who are scaled to juubito (mentioned above) just get the speed tier changed with justification staying the same

EDIT : Kindly suspend all scaling chain arguments aside the ones I've listed as I'll make one to include all of them in a sequel crt(right after this one), for now I wish to do Juubito tier characters

Agree : Nierre, DarkDragonMedeus, LordGriffin1000
Disagree : Damage3245
Neutral :

 

[Samlex1234]

Following

 

[karo_senpaii]

For Context, I got the idea of this from this crt, while it got one greenlight I thought it is best to make a whole new crt for it since this affects 5-6 important characters



Mifune's attack speed is light speed, it's called beam of light as well as stated as a light speed attack [1c]
(This is accepted as Light Speed in a past crt)

When he striked, fodder Hyuga's Attacks, Temari's wind, Gyuki's Bijuudama all travelled in tandem and
attacked the ten tails, Gyuki's TBB traversed more distance than the beam of light. Thanks to Kurama's
chakra, fodder Hyugas and Temari had their attack speeds raised to ftl levels. As attack speeds are
power feats & rely on how much energy you exert into an attack that helps it propel forward, Kurama's
massively stronger than anyone he amps it would mean his TBB is much faster than FTL with his MKCM
Avatar, he also is relative/superior to Gyuki and would be comparable to his TBB speeds as the strongest
bijuu

Juubito reacts to MKCM+SM Naruto's Bijuudama gaining FTL combat speed [1c]
and everyone that is scaled to Juubito's speed gets upgraded from subrel to ftl

Spoiler: Profiles Affected

WHO GETS FTL ATTACK SPEED
Gyuki TBB, Temari wind style (kurama cloak), Mifune Beam of Light (he already has it so no changes
to him), hyugas & MKCM Kurama Avatar TBB

WHO GETS FTL COMBAT SPEED​

Juubito, MKCM2+SM naruto KA, EMS Sasuke Susano, Tobirama
Alive SM+ 1 rinnegan Madara (is scaled to Tobirama)

Spoiler: JUSTIFICATION

Gyuki : FTL attack speed via Bijuubombs (Attacked in tandem with mifune's light beam matching his speed) {Naruto#617}
Temari : Bla (reacted to x person), upto FTL attack speeds when amped by Kurama's cloaks (Attacked in tandem with mifune's light beam matching his speed) {Naruto#617}
MKCM Kurama Avatar : FTL attack speed via Bijuubombs (His attack speed would be massively above V1 Cloak Temari and Hyugas who's attack speed raise massively from mere fractions of Kurama's chakra, comaprable to Gyuki) {Naruto#617}
Juubito : FTL (reacted to Naruto's Bijuubomb in his controlled state) {Naruto#649}

People who are scaled to juubito (mentioned above) just get the speed tier changed with justification staying the same

If the hyuga attack speed are being raised to ftl then it's not just TBB, even naruto rasenshuriken would be FTL. Also you forgot hashirama. Anyways following for now

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

If the hyuga attack speed are being raised to ftl then it's not just TBB, even naruto rasenshuriken would be FTL. Also you forgot hashirama. Anyways following for now

I am being very conservative and choosing a select 5-6 people to be safe

I don't think hashirama would get anything, there's nothing to connect him with

 

[karo_senpaii]

I am being very conservative and choosing a select 5-6 people to be safe

I don't think hashirama would get anything, there's nothing to connect him with

Both madara and hashirama are already comparable to tobirama as the justification on their profile, both edo and and alive. This would also carry over to MKCM2 naruto for being able to intercept madara susanoo attack. See this is bigger than you thought

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Both madara and hashirama are already comparable to tobirama as the justification on their profile, both edo and and alive. This would also carry over to MKCM2 naruto for being able to intercept madara susanoo attack. See this is bigger than you thought

I’m gonna recheck in a bit but Hashirama straight up conceded inferiority to Juubito while Tobirama showed blatant feats against him

Won’t that by itself say tobirama>Madara and hashirama

(Speed wise)

 

[ssgengar]

I’m gonna recheck in a bit but Hashirama straight up conceded inferiority to Juubito while Tobirama showed blatant feats against him

He admitted inferior strength

As far as this thread goes I’m neutral for now

 

[karo_senpaii]

I’m gonna recheck in a bit but Hashirama straight up conceded inferiority to Juubito while Tobirama showed blatant feats against him

Won’t that by itself say tobirama>Madara and hashirama

(Speed wise)

Not really. strength=/ speed. By your logic are you saying tobirama is stronger than madara? no you're not coz you know strength is different. And yes tobirama is faster than both of them it's just to a point that they are still relative

 

[KaydeeX]

yeah this would affect more characters than the OP suggests

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Not really. strength=/ speed. By your logic are you saying tobirama is stronger than madara? no you're not coz you know strength is different. And yes tobirama is faster than both of them it's just to a point that they are still relative

Is there a statement or feat for them being relative because Madara's profile does not mention any scaling to tobirama,
I can add alive hashirama and madara to get ftl since its accepted that madara wont have his edge if he were to fought their alive forms
but as far as edo madara and hashirama goes I doubt they get it

 

[KaydeeX]

Is there a statement or feat for them being relative because Madara's profile does not mention any scaling to tobirama,
I can add alive hashirama and madara to get ftl since its accepted that madara wont have his edge if he were to fought their alive forms
but as far as edo madara and hashirama goes I doubt they get it

their edo versions were revived close to their full power. the speed difference between both instance being more than a thousand times is absurd. This would eventually scale to the Bijuu since they made alive madara a tennis ball

 

[Damage3245]

I'm leaning to disagree on this. Those attacks don't need to be exactly as fast as Mifune's attack to hit the same target at roughly similar times and there's nothing else supporting them being that fast as far as I'm aware. It'd be a huge upgrade for a lot of characters.

EDIT: I'll go into more detail in a few hours, or tomorrow. Bit busy.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

their edo versions were revived close to their full power. the speed difference between both instance being more than a thousand times is absurd. This would eventually scale to the Bijuu since they made alive madara a tennis ball

I don't think so, they are scaling off of Juubito's combat speed

the Bijuu are not doing anything to stable juubito, if unstable juubito blitzed naruto and sasuke
Also this Madara with Sage Mode getting tossed around
even that Madara was able to dodge and escape the bijuu

he gets his FTL feats when gets the rinnegan at the last part of chapter 658
that's why i clarified in my OP its SM+1 rinnegan alive madara

I'm leaning to disagree on this. Those attacks don't need to be exactly as fast as Mifune's attack to hit the same target at roughly similar times and there's nothing else supporting them being that fast as far as I'm aware. It'd be a huge upgrade for a lot of characters.

if they don't have relative speeds Mifune's beam would massively outpace all their attacks and hit the juubi first with theirs trailing behind
as they're relative they should get the full on scaling

Gyuki's one straight up travels faster due to his starting distance being further away than the entire alliance

aside from ones I mentioned in my now edited OP who else do you think is getting upgraded?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Is there a statement or feat for them being relative because Madara's profile does not mention any scaling to tobirama,
I can add alive hashirama and madara to get ftl since its accepted that madara wont have his edge if he were to fought their alive forms
but as far as edo madara and hashirama goes I doubt they get it

Actually I dont think he has Edge over Hashirama due to speed
Alive Tobirama would be faster while alive hashirama and madara can stay at Subrel

Hashirama and Madara have 0 tobirama related things in their speed ratings so I don't think breaks anything
Tobirama would be FTL in alive/edo state

(Alive) Hashirama would be subrel with maybe FTL Golem (his golem~madara PS>ems sasuke as accepted in the wiki)
(Alive) Madara would be subrel and maybe ftl via PS via same reasoning
Edo Madara same as Alive
Rinnerebirth +sage mode (faster than before)
Rinnerebirth+SM+Rinnegan would be ftl (above edo tobirama)

and then the scaling chain ends there since he afterwards gets juubi form

 

[SlendVeny]

Actually gonna agree with this for now

 

[Testarossa002]

I'm going to leave the rating for now
I'm only here to point out the other characters that scale in a way to the proposed rating
1. Juubi (Casually reacted to and flicked away Gyuki's bijuu bomb at point blank range Ch.611)
2. Sage Mode Naruto (Reacted to the Juubi in time to push Kakashi out of the way Ch. 611)
3. KCM 1 Naruto (His rasenshuriken travelled at the same pace as Gyuki's bomb Ch. 551), higher with Shuunshin (Outpaced A4 at point blank range)
4. A3 (Reacted to Naruto's Rasenshuriken Ch. 554)
5. A4 (Implied by Naruto to be capable of performing the same speed feats as A3 Ch. 554)
6. Itachi (His Susano’o attack travelled at the same pace as Gyuki's bijuu bomb Ch. 551)
7. Sasuke (His dojutsu and ninjutsu are noted to have surpassed that of Itachi. Which should at least scale his Susano’o relative to that of Itachi)
8. Kabuto (Easily evaded Sasuke's Susano’o arrow Ch. 579)
These are all surface level justifications. If you continue digging, people like Obito and Guy will end up scaling to it.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I'm going to leave the rating for now
I'm only here to point out the other characters that scale in a way to the proposed rating
1. Juubi (Casually reacted to and flicked away Gyuki's bijuu bomb at point blank range Ch.611)
2. Sage Mode Naruto (Reacted to the Juubi in time to push Kakashi out of the way Ch. 611)
3. KCM 1 Naruto (His rasenshuriken travelled at the same pace as Gyuki's bomb Ch. 551), higher with Shuunshin (Outpaced A4 at point blank range)
4. A3 (Reacted to Naruto's Rasenshuriken Ch. 554)
5. A4 (Implied by Naruto to be capable of performing the same speed feats as A3 Ch. 554)
6. Itachi (His Susano’o attack travelled at the same pace as Gyuki's bijuu bomb Ch. 551)
7. Sasuke (His dojutsu and ninjutsu are noted to have surpassed that of Itachi. Which should at least scale his Susano’o relative to that of Itachi)
8. Kabuto (Easily evaded Sasuke's Susano’o arrow Ch. 579)
These are all surface level justifications. If you continue digging, people like Obito and Guy will end up scaling to it.

There's uh one issue that slayer pointed out yesterday

bee was amped by kuramas cloak so he only agreed to MKCM naruto TBB getting ftl rating
because MKCM FP kurama>= gyuki with kurama amp
Naruto also gained power from another kurama thanks to Minato

this way it can't downscale to first form juubi

 

[Testarossa002]

There's uh one issue that slayer pointed out yesterday

bee was amped by kuramas cloak so he only agreed to MKCM naruto TBB getting ftl rating
because MKCM FP kurama>= gyuki with kurama amp
Naruto also gained power from another kurama thanks to Minato

this way it can't downscale to first form juubi

If that’s the case:
1. There's really no reason why SM madara, Tobirama, and Co should be scaling to it. Only Juubito has actual feats
2. Since you're using the logic of Naruto TBB>/Gyuki TBB because the latter was amped by Nard, Naruto's regular attacks should be scaling to FTL also via Temari and the fodder ninjas. He's arguably above all of them in base (Base Nard >/Neji>Fodder Hyuga via danzo). If a tiny portion of his chakra can boost them to FTL, then every of Naruto's attacks from KCM 1 should definitely be scaling to FTL. Not just his bijuu bomb

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

If that’s the case:
1. There's really no reason why SM madara, Tobirama, and Co should be scaling to it. Only Juubito has actual feats
2. Since you're using the logic of Naruto TBB>/Gyuki TBB because the latter was amped by Nard, Naruto's regular attacks should be scaling to FTL also via Temari and the fodder ninjas. He's arguably above all of them in base (Base Nard >/Neji>Fodder Hyuga via danzo). If a tiny portion of his chakra can boost them to FTL, then every of Naruto's attacks from KCM 1 should definitely be scaling to FTL. Not just his bijuu bomb

1) Tobirama had feats against stable juubito and 1R alive Madara had feats against Tobirama

2) this isn’t Hyugas are that strong
It’s Hyugas when amped by MKCM Naruto’s chakra fractions are that powerful

So a better argument would be after ch616 where he masters KCM2
Any Naruto with V1 cloak or higher (kcm1) would have ftl attack speeds

 

[karo_senpaii]

Is there a statement or feat for them being relative because Madara's profile does not mention any scaling to tobirama,
I can add alive hashirama and madara to get ftl since its accepted that madara wont have his edge if he were to fought their alive forms
but as far as edo madara and hashirama goes I doubt they get it

Sage mode Madara states "there's a reason you brothers can't retain your former speed". Implies tobirama and hashirama to have comparable speeds at least. Their edo forms would just downscale. It's pretty simple

 

[Testarossa002]

Tobirama had feats against stable juubito

What feats? None are linked in the OP

this isn’t Hyugas are that strong
It’s Hyugas when amped by MKCM Naruto’s chakra fractions are that powerful

It's like this
Base Naruto > Regular Hyugas
KCM 1 Naruto > Amped Hyugas
Since Base Naruto is already superior to regular fodders, KCM 1 automatically scales above their amped selves by virtue of having a bigger chakra boost to his Base compared to the 3x or so (if we're going by kakashi's statement) given to the allied forces

 

[karo_senpaii]

What feats? None are linked in the OP

It's like this
Base Naruto > Regular Hyugas
KCM 1 Naruto > Amped Hyugas
Since Base Naruto is already superior to regular fodders, KCM 1 automatically scales above their amped selves by virtue of having a bigger chakra boost to his Base compared to the 3x or so (if we're going by kakashi's statement) given to the allied forces

This doesn't really work for kcm1 naruto though. We learnt from hashirama statement though that the chakra he is giving out isn't just kurama chakra but his and kurama's mixed. Like he's actually giving the MKCM2 form itself in small bits and pieces

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

What feats? None are linked in the OP

Tobirama was scaled to Juubito (direct statements in their profiles connnecting them) so I thought I didn't need to show them (I can if you want)

EDIT : I realised his profile talked about unstable juubito so my bad

Spoiler: feats

Ch640 Juubito gains stability
Ch641 tobirama tp's to juubito and sends the attack back, juubito fails to react
ch642 same thing happens with sage narutos rasengan
as a juubi jinchuriki he should have sensory abilities and couldnt evade or block
if I'm faster than you and you show up behind me, I can evade and hit you back
when Tobirama tried this with Juubito, it worked
ch661 when he tried it on madara? got reacted and tagged

It's like this
Base Naruto > Regular Hyugas
KCM 1 Naruto > Amped Hyugas
Since Base Naruto is already superior to regular fodders, KCM 1 automatically scales above their amped selves by virtue of having a bigger chakra boost

This doesn't really work for kcm1 naruto though. We learnt from hashirama statement though that the chakra he is giving out isn't just kurama chakra but his and kurama's mixed. Like he's actually giving the MKCM2 form itself in small bits and pieces

Yeah I'm okay with post ch616 mkcm1 and higher naruto having ftl attack speeds
but he throws like two rasenshuriken that no one reacts to or dodges so that line ends right there

btw do you agree with the upgrade? scaling chain aside that is

Sage mode Madara states "there's a reason you brothers can't retain your former speed". Implies tobirama and hashirama to have comparable speeds at least. Their edo forms would just downscale. It's pretty simple

Actually it says full power not speed [ch661]
it just means alive forms>edo forms nothing else

 

[MinatoSparkle]

If you're proposing MKCM1 Naruto as FTL, that affects a lot more characters

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

If you're proposing MKCM1 Naruto as FTL, that affects a lot more characters

why so? it's only projectiles getting that speed

after ch616 his projectiles are either TBB (juubito reacts) or rasenshuriken (no one reacts or dodges)
and then he gets the six paths shenanigans

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Rinnegan Obito keeps up with MKCM Naruto, who Edo Madara is relative to, Hashirama scales to Madara, WA Sakura/EMS Sasuke scale to MKCM Naruto, Itachi scales to Sasuke, KCM1 Naruto and Bee scale to Itachi at least low end, a lot of characters scale to KCM1 Naruto (at least with current standards), so on so forth.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Rinnegan Obito keeps up with MKCM Naruto, who Edo Madara is relative to, Hashirama scales to Madara, WA Sakura/EMS Sasuke scale to MKCM Naruto, Itachi scales to Sasuke, KCM1 Naruto and Bee scale to Itachi at least low end, a lot of characters scale to KCM1 Naruto (at least with current standards), so on so forth.

Did Obito dodge or counter his projectiles? I don't thinkk so, naruto does not get ftl combat speed until mkcm2+sm kurama avatar

 

[karo_senpaii]

Rinnegan Obito keeps up with MKCM Naruto, who Edo Madara is relative to, Hashirama scales to Madara, WA Sakura/EMS Sasuke scale to MKCM Naruto, Itachi scales to Sasuke, KCM1 Naruto and Bee scale to Itachi at least low end, a lot of characters scale to KCM1 Naruto (at least with current standards), so on so forth.

He's proposing attack speed. Though I still think Madara and hashi gets it either way along with MKCM2 naruto.

Tobirama was scaled to Juubito (direct statements in their profiles connnecting them) so I thought I didn't need to show them (I can if you want)

EDIT : I realised his profile talked about unstable juubito so my bad

Spoiler: feats

Ch640 Juubito gains stability
Ch641 tobirama tp's to juubito and sends the attack back, juubito fails to react
ch642 same thing happens with sage narutos rasengan
as a juubi jinchuriki he should have sensory abilities and couldnt evade or block
if I'm faster than you and you show up behind me, I can evade and hit you back
when Tobirama tried this with Juubito, it worked
ch661 when he tried it on madara? got reacted and tagged

Yeah I'm okay with post ch616 mkcm1 and higher naruto having ftl attack speeds
but he throws like two rasenshuriken that no one reacts to or dodges so that line ends right there

btw do you agree with the upgrade? scaling chain aside that is

Actually it says full power not speed [ch661]
it just means alive forms>edo forms nothing else

He's talking about speed right before the statement.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I don't think this really works tbh. Like Damage said, the attacks don't need to be relative to hit the hands like that

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Did Obito dodge or counter his projectiles? I don't thinkk so, naruto does not get ftl combat speed until mkcm+sm kurama avatar

You think he only scales to FTL with Bijuudama?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

You think he only scales to FTL with Bijuudama?

why so? it's only projectiles getting that speed

after ch616 his projectiles are either TBB (juubito reacts) or rasenshuriken (no one reacts or dodges)
and then he gets the six paths shenanigans

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He's proposing attack speed. Though I still think Madara and hashi gets it either way along with MKCM2 naruto.

He's talking about speed right before the statement.

speed is included in power statements, also this wont help the argument trying to scale it to them
I agree Edo forms would be slower than alive forms, I'm supporting alive tobirama getting ftl, im saying madara and hashirama base alive forms have no reason to scale here

I don't think this really works tbh. Like Damage said, the attacks don't need to be relative to hit the hands like that

if they don't have relative speeds Mifune's beam would massively outpace all their attacks and hit the juubi first with theirs trailing behind
as they're relative they should get the full on scaling

Gyuki's one straight up travels faster due to his starting distance being further away than the entire alliance

As I've stated here, not being outpaced necessitates relativity

And I've also used Gyuki in case such an argument arises since he's blatantly faster by traversing more distance than the light beam

Diagram for better understanding

 

[Damage3245]

As I've stated here, not being outpaced necessitates relativity

That's not necessarily the case. In a split-second, even projectiles that are MHS+ would've covered the same distance to the Ten-Tails. Mifune's attack could've hit the Ten-Tails a fraction of a fraction of a second ahead of all the rest, slowed down as a result of contact, and still appear to be relative with the other attacks after they've all hit.

 

[DavidTPPM]

As I've stated here, not being outpaced necessitates relativity

But that's not really what's happening here is it...

What's happening here is that the other attacks managed to land somewhere in the timeframe after Mifunes attack was launched and before it disappeared from the target. They could easily be landing "long" after Mifunes attack hit, just before Mifunes attack disappeared.

Which would be logical given how unlikely it is for random nameless shinobi to be relative to Bee, Mifune, and Temari

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

That's not necessarily the case. In a split-second, even projectiles that are MHS+ would've covered the same distance to the Ten-Tails. Mifune's attack could've hit the Ten-Tails a fraction of a fraction of a second ahead of all the rest, slowed down as a result of contact, and still appear to be relative with the other attacks after they've all hit.

we assume the start time is the same due to portrayal showing start time being the same

However if you wanna go chronologically gyuki shot the tbb first, mifune second and then the others
and his one came second last only slightly ahead of the TBB, meaning others started after him but got infront of his attack thanks to their speeds, surpassing his light beam

What's happening here is that the other attacks managed to land somewhere in the timeframe after Mifunes attack was launched and before it disappeared from the target. They could easily be landing "long" after Mifunes attack hit, just before Mifunes attack disappeared.

if that was the case they wouldnt reach mifune's attack to begin with

Which would be logical given how unlikely it is for random nameless shinobi to be relative to Bee, Mifune, and Temari

if you're 5 gigatons and im 10 gigatons, our difference wont matter if we are both given 20 zettatons, our differences become meaningless, in this mkcm cloak amped state they can be strong as the plot needs it to be

 

[KaydeeX]

Diagram for better understanding

This did not aid in understanding

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

This did not aid in understanding

bruh


okay, we both shoot targets together, i start 10 meters behind you but both our attacks landed roughly in the same time in the same target
what does that mean? my ammo traversed more distance than yours in the same timeframe, making my shot faster since if we started from the same distance, mine would surpass yours

 

[DavidTPPM]

if that was the case they wouldnt reach mifune's attack to begin with

Wdym "if" this isn't exactly a debatable thing. After a projectile hits its target it stays in contact with said target for a certain amount of time. That's just a fact
And why not?

if you're 5 gigatons and im 10 gigatons, our different wont matter if we are both given 20 zettatons, our differences become meaningless, in this mkcm cloak amped state they can be strong as the plot needs it to be

I mean sure but that's not all that's going on is it. Pure chakra quantity has never been the only factor when it comes to stats and saying nameless fodders are only slower than kage level shinobi because they have less chakra kinda goes against a large part of the manga

 

[MinatoSparkle]

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• The 3rd Raikage dodges his Rasenshuriken yet is tagged by Naruto with a moderate situational advantage
• Madara raises his arms before Lee can kick through him, who moves as fast as MKCM2 Naruto's Rasenshuriken
• KCM2 Naruto physically outspeeds Bijuudamas from those comparable to Bee, who's MKCM Naruto level
• Obito phases through KCM2 Naruto's Bijuudama and MKCM2 Naruto's Rasenshuriken
• Obito and Madara physically react to stakes thrown by KCM2 Naruto
• SM Kabuto dodges EMS Sasuke's Susanoo Arrow, which is MKCM Super Oodama Rasenshuriken level
• Bee reacts to the Juubi's Bijuudama, which intercepts KCM2 Naruto's Bijuudamas
• Kurama should be faster than MKCM Naruto as Naruto's speed comes from a portion of his split chakra, yet Hashirama can react to his Bijuudamas and match them with the Shinsuu Senju
• Bee intercepts the Juubi's Bijuudama

Projectiles do not exist in a scaling vacuum

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

why not?

because theirs came later

youre assuming they're attacks are flying in the air, his beam shoots, gets close to them, kishi draws that exact shot, his beam outpaces them and hits the arms and the others attacks come later, that's not happening
gyuki shot his, mifune shot his, then the hyugas and then temari going chronologically since manga starts from the right side
except gyukis TBB, everyone else shot afterwards and theirs outpaced his beam (indicated by white center with blue edges)

Wdym "if" this isn't exactly a debatable thing. After a projectile hits its target it stays in contact with said target for a certain amount of time. That's just a fact

I dont think this happened, the anime shows this feat consisting of the winds and the issen travelling in a 1:1 level equal speed, the assumption that you held is the opposite of what happened in canon
[Ep365 13:13]

and saying nameless fodders are only slower than kage level shinobi because they have less chakra kinda goes against a large part of the manga

lol if you wanna use that argument then by that logic beyond kage tier (naruto and bee) should have the same/higher attack speeds as mifune, but we don't use that, we use actual feats

 

[DavidTPPM]

because theirs came later

Yeah except Mifunes attack stopped after hitting the juubi. Hell assuming it didn't stop the tails you could even say the juubi pushed it backwards a bit, making the distance the other attacks must travel that much shorter.

youre assuming they're attacks are flying in the air, his beam shoots, gets close to them, kishi draws that exact shot, his beam outpaces them and hits the arms and the others attacks come later, that's not happening
gyuki shot his, mifune shot his, then the hyugas and then temari going chronologically since manga starts from the right side
except gyukis TBB, everyone else shot afterwards and theirs outpaced his beam (indicated by white center with blue edges)

What? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here.

I dont think this happened, the anime shows this feat consisting of the winds and the issen travelling in a 1:1 level equal speed, the assumption that you held is the opposite of what happened in canon
[Ep365 13:13]

The anime shows it vastly differently from the manga tho. The only projectile we see in the anime version is what seems to be a TBB explosion that somehow eminates white vibrations after it hits the target while the manga shows an explosion surrounded by many individual blade-ish projectiles.

But even if we were to take the anime version there's the issue of Mifunes attack being fired significantly after Bees TBB and yet reaching the tails at seemingly the same time which if anything implies Mifunes attack is much faster. All while the wind scythe and air palms are nowhere to be seen