Johnny Test vs Cinder Fall

[RandomGuy2345]

So, @Keeweed...

Have you come to a conclusion yet?

 

[DaReaperMan]

“also that arrow would be a dust arrow and we know how that ends.”

Pyrrha survived that arrow for over ten seconds. Johnny could just pull it out of him before it does it’s thing. Assuming she even goes for a dust arrow on a random eleven year old she just met and assuming the arrow even lands since (even assuming it is 15 times faster) Johnny still has 10 chances to do something (or assuming he needs to move three feet to clap his hands or hit the teleport button) that’s still three chances to dodge.

It doesn’t matter if Johnny goes for the tornado or dodges, both stop Cinder’s first moves and both Johnny within the better position.

Edit: that fight was one of the only good parts of that volume really.

The only reason Pyyhra lived as long as she did is because Cinder wanted to gloat, the guide book confirms that she could've incinerated Pyyhra at any time.

Again, assuming the arrow isn't fast for both parties, because your trying to say I'm saying Cinder has however many times faster. I'm not, I'm telling you how speed equal works and that ain't it, it equalizes the faster characters's combat speed to the slower characters's combat speed, then reduces all other speeds of the faster character by the same amount.

And both screw Johnny over in some way or another, putting Cinder in a very good position while defending Johnny's attack, giving her the chance to screw Jonny over with the dust and an attack that does you know what.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

It doesn’t matter if Johnny goes for the tornado or dodges, both stop Cinder’s first moves and both Johnny within the better position.

Another thing. If Johnny goes for a move when Cinder tries to attack when he doesn't see it coming, he's as good as done. He'd dodge off of instinct.

When Cinder tries to attack again, is when Johnny can clap back (quite literally).

 

[RandomGuy2345]

And both screw Johnny over in some way or another, putting Cinder in a very good position while defending Johnny's attack, giving her the chance to screw Jonny over with the dust and an attack that does you know what.

A single clap cancels out any attack Cinder tries to go for after Johnny dodges her first attack. Her guard won't be up as she's literally going for the attack. I know she can attack and defend at the same time, but she won't do that in the very beginning of the fight.

 

[DaReaperMan]

A single clap cancels out any attack Cinder tries to go for after Johnny dodges her first attack. Her guard won't be up as she's literally going for the attack. I know she can attack and defend at the same time, but she won't do that in the very beginning of the fight.

She'd defend against a big ass tornado attack after her dust has very nicely been placed as essentially a minefield for Johnny to get screwed over by.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

She'd defend against a big ass tornado attack after her dust has very nicely been placed as essentially a minefield for Johnny to get screwed over by.

I just explained why Cinder has no reason to go for offense and defense simultaneously off the bat, especially if she's attacking first.

Glynda avoided that minefield with a backflip. Johnny should have no problem avoiding that too.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I just explained why Cinder has no reason to go for offense and defense simultaneously off the bat, especially if she's attacking first.

Glynda avoided that minefield with a backflip. Johnny should have no problem avoiding that too.

It's a ******* tornado, why would Cinder not defend against it? Lol

 

[RandomGuy2345]

It's a ******* tornado, why would Cinder not defend against it? Lol

She won't be able to defend it at first because she won't see it coming.

Later on in the fight when Cinder's prepared for it, she can defend against it, but not in the very beginning when she doesn't know what Johnny's capable of.

 

[DaReaperMan]

She won't be able to defend it at first because she won't see it coming.

Later on in the fight when Cinder's prepared for it, she can defend against it, but not in the very beginning when she doesn't know what Johnny's capable of.

She can indeed defend against it considering Johnny’s attack speed SEEMS equal to his combat speed, which helps Cinder just defend itl

 

[RandomGuy2345]

She can indeed defend against it considering Johnny’s attack speed SEEMS equal to his combat speed, which helps Cinder just defend itl

You were just arguing not too long that Cinder would attack right after Johnny dodges her first attack, which would mean she won't see an attack from Johnny coming, meaning that Johnny can just clap his hands and do good damage to Cinder.

 

[Keeweed]

I’m going to bed very soon, but I just want to say good luck sending literally dust (powder) towards someone when a tornado going towards you is coming out of them. The dust would go the exact opposite way of where she wants it to go the tornadoes are blowing towards her.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I’m going to bed very soon, but I just want to say good luck sending literally dust (powder) towards someone when a tornado going towards you is coming out of them. The dust would go the exact opposite way of where she wants it to go the tornadoes are blowing towards her.

Have you come to a conclusion on who to vote for?

 

[DaReaperMan]

You were just arguing not too long that Cinder would attack right after Johnny dodges her first attack, which would mean she won't see an attack from Johnny coming, meaning that Johnny can just clap his hands and do good damage to Cinder.

Once again, your assuming Cinder is gonna sit there and take it to the dome instead of forcefielding it.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I’m going to bed very soon, but I just want to say good luck sending literally dust (powder) towards someone when a tornado going towards you is coming out of them. The dust would go the exact opposite way of where she wants it to go the tornadoes are blowing towards her.

She can move it wherever the hades she wants. Wind isn't going to be effecting that.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

She can move it wherever the hades she wants. Wind isn't going to be effecting that.

It's going to get destroyed the moment it makes contact with the tornado.

Once again, your assuming Cinder is gonna sit there and take it to the dome instead of forcefielding it.

Cinder is going to be in the middle of a second attack, without her guard up. She literally has no reason to keep her guard up at the moment, especially since she doesn't know how strong Johnny is, and how big his AOE is. She's going to get hit the first. She'll definitely keep her guard up the second time, but she will get overwhelmed sooner or later.

 

[DaReaperMan]

It's going to get destroyed the moment it makes contact with the tornado.


Cinder is going to be in the middle of a second attack, without her guard up. She literally has no reason to keep her guard up at the moment, especially since she doesn't know how strong Johnny is, and how big his AOE is. She's going to get hit the first. She'll definitely keep her guard up the second time, but she will get overwhelmed sooner or later.

AKA what Cinder wants, she can then use her inherent control over it to turn the arena into a minefield.

She can turn her attacks into defense and vice versa.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

AKA what Cinder wants, she can then use her inherent control over it to turn the arena into a minefield.

1. I don't think the minefield spreads throughout the whole city.
2. I've already debunked the minefield argument multiple times. If someone can avoid Cinder's minefield with a simple backflip, then what's stopping Johnny from avoiding it?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

She can turn her attacks into defense and vice versa.

She can't do that when she's getting hit by a big ass tornado she's not prepared to defend against.

 

[DaReaperMan]

1. I don't think the minefield spreads throughout the whole city.
2. I've already debunked the minefield argument multiple times. If someone can avoid Cinder's minefield with a simple backflip, then what's stopping Johnny from avoiding it?

What's stopping Johnny from getting a hit to the dome for avoiding it?

She can't do that when she's getting hit by a big ass tornado she's not prepared to defend against.

Read the argument again. I will spell it out to you if I have to.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I feel like just contacting random people to vote here.

We're once again, restating the same points over and over again for each character.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

What's stopping Johnny from getting a hit to the dome for avoiding it?

Cinder needing to move her arms in order for the explosion to activate. The explosion doesn't go off by itself.

Read the argument again. I will spell it out to you if I have to.

What do you want me to say to this?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Cinder needing to move her arms in order for the explosion to activate. The explosion doesn't go off by itself.


What do you want me to say to this?

She can make the explosion happen while sending another attack IIRC

She doesn't NEED to be prepared against the tornado mate. She can turn her attacks into her defenses.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

She can make the explosion happen while sending another attack IIRC

No, she can't.

She doesn't NEED to be prepared against the tornado mate. She can turn her attacks into her defenses.

How can she do that in time before getting hit by the tornado? Heck, how can she even do that while getting hit by the tornado? AFAIK, 1 clap >>>>>>> turning your attacks into defense. Cinder won't be able to do it in time before getting hit.

 

[DaReaperMan]

No, she can't.


How can she do that in time before getting hit by the tornado? Heck, how can she even do that while getting hit by the tornado? AFAIK, 1 clap >>>>>>> turning your attacks into defense. Cinder won't be able to do it in time before getting hit.

You think she'd be activating it immediately if Johnny isn't attacking? She'd wait until he did start attacking to activate it.

Ever hear of this thing called "Travel Time"? The tornado is ridiculously slow in speed equal assuming it isn't faster then Test himself.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

You think she'd be activating it immediately if Johnny isn't attacking

You used the argument that Johnny attacking is "What Cinder wants," so she can use her minefield to catch Johnny slipping. Thing is, Glynda avoided it with a backflip. Johnny can easily do a backflip as well. Those minefields aren't taking down Johnny.

Ever hear of this thing called "Travel Time"?

No. I very clearly do not lol.

The tornado is ridiculously slow in speed equal assuming it isn't faster then Test himself.

It doesn't take long enough for it to reach someone who's 150 feet away from you.

Atp, I just feel like contacting people to end the thread. I'm kinda getting tired debating on this matchup.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I'm going to bed btw.

See ya tomorrow, Reaps.

The results of this thread will come tomorrow.

 

[DaReaperMan]

You used the argument that Johnny attacking is "What Cinder wants," so she can use her minefield to catch Johnny slipping. Thing is, Glynda avoided it with a backflip. Johnny can easily do a backflip as well. Those minefields aren't taking down Johnny.


No. I very clearly do not lol.


It doesn't take long enough for it to reach someone who's 150 feet away from you.

Atp, I just feel like contacting people to end the thread. I'm kinda getting tired debating on this matchup.

He's doing this when he's using Hurricane hands?

To use an analogy Keeweed used earlier, for ever foot the tornado moves Cinder can move a foot, more then enough time to do any manner of anything.

Let the masochism consume you... or we could just let this thread die for a bit only to be ressurected later lol

 

[Keeweed]

For the dust, Cinder can go anywhere she wants but Johnny can make his AoE thousands of feet wide. If he’s missing her he has the worst aim on the sight (he doesn’t though so he should be able to hit her). Which makes even setting up her dust mines practically impossible since if anything is getting chucked by the tornado it’s those (also I really needed to rewatch that scene, I thought those fireballs could be summoned where I didn’t know she had to already have hit towards the opponent, Weekly lied to me again).

Plus the dust mines have another obvious clue, Cinder does a hand gesture on top of the noise and bright light.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

He's doing this when he's using Hurricane hands?

Yes. It takes one clap to activate it. He can easily do a backflip after to avoid the minefield.

To use an analogy Keeweed used earlier, for ever foot the tornado moves Cinder can move a foot, more then enough time to do any manner of anything.

I was joking. I wasn't being serious lol

Let the masochism consume you... or we could just let this thread die for a bit only to be ressurected later lol

I will never be a *********... but yes. This will be my last response to you. I'll contact more people to vote so this long ass thread can end.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I feel bad for the people going through this thread to decide on who to vote for.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

@Keeweed have you decided on who to vote for?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yes. It takes one clap to activate it. He can easily do a backflip after to avoid the minefield.


I was joking. I wasn't being serious lol


I will never be a *********... but yes. This will be my last response to you. I'll contact more people to vote so this long ass thread can end.

And he stands still when using Hurricane Hands which by the way he's only used the big AOE around himself once which means it's kinda a non-argument considering how many times he's used it in total

Then make it clear.

Oh no, but you have already given into the masochism!

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Bumpity

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Bump

 

[Keeweed]

Sorry for being gone so long. I had work. Tomorrow I’m going to be moving to a new house so I’m going to be busy then (and I have work the next day and next week I have school starting up so my schedule is going to be a mess).

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Sorry for being gone so long. I had work. Tomorrow I’m going to be moving to a new house so I’m going to be busy then (and I have work the next day and next week I have school starting up so my schedule is going to be a mess).

Man. All I need is 1 vote...

 

[Keeweed]

I guess since the conversation has been dead for a while I’ll vote Johnny for now. Though know it has the possibility to change in the future.

 

[Spinoirr]

Fun fact cinder can use her semblance on her thighs meaning she can use her semblance on Any part of her body

 

[Keeweed]

Fun fact cinder can use her semblance on her thighs meaning she can use her semblance on Any part of her body

Can you explain in more detail on why that would be important here. Johnny would already get wrecked in melee range anyways due to Cinder’s superior skill and maiden fire could likely work from that distance. So I’m trying to figure out why it matters she can use it on her self (ignoring that we only know she can do that due to a scene that from a single scene throughout a 9 season show so whether she would do that here is already a bit of a stretch).

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Bump