Isn't Adult Base Naruto 6-A+ to Possibly 5-C?

[RanaProGamer]

Like, I can understand that he borrows powers from other beasts, but the extent isn't unknown. We especially see him (Part 2 Base Naruto) borrow enough powers to let him damage Jūbi Jinchūriki (One Rinnegan) Madara, who is rated 6-A+ to possibly 5-C. This isn't too far fetched as we do see Adult Base Naruto take some level of damage from Fused Momoshiki who is 5-C+ (despite being far inferior), and his Rasengan killed a weakened Momoshiki.

I might be jumping the gun, but what do you guys think?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

that's not base Naruto that's Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto.

Remember Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto Contrary to popular belief isn't this

But this

The Other One with the Truth-Seeking Orbs is Six paths Sage Mode+Chakra of the 9 Bijuu.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

that's not base Naruto that's Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto.

Remember Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto Contrary to popular belief isn't this

But this

The Other One with the Truth-Seeking Orbs is Six paths Sage Mode+Chakra of the 9 Bijuu.

Do you think the Varies tier would solve the base Naruto conundrum?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Yeah.
"These are characters, weapons, etcetera, whose power levels are heavily inconsistent and/or subject to change"

Naruto can Literally draw power from Multiple Sources that would make his Base "stronger"

Such as concentrating Kurama's chakra in his arm to overpower Toneri's Attack

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Sounds good to me, chief.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

There's also his feat of One Shotting Momoshiki with his Rasengan.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Yeah, and kept up with Momoshiki in general, especially in the manga, before overpowering him once he entered SPSM. Also tanked a kick from him when Momoshiki first appeared iirc.
He also sent an off-guard Isshiki flying with a kick, for whatever that's worth.

 

[LordTracer]

I think ‘Varies, up to 5-C+‘ would be good for base Naruto.

 

[Shadyboi0]

that's not base Naruto that's Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto.

Remember Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto Contrary to popular belief isn't this

But this

The Other One with the Truth-Seeking Orbs is Six paths Sage Mode+Chakra of the 9 Bijuu.

Is it wrong that i call the former KCM3?

 

[The_Alxhemist]

I think ‘Varies, up to 5-C+‘ would be good for base Naruto.

Then with his transformations, Naruto could be rated Possibly 5-B or just plain simple 5-B

 

[LordTracer]

Then with his transformations, Naruto could be rated Possibly 5-B or just plain simple 5-B

Yeah, no.

 

[Shadyboi0]

Then with his transformations, Naruto could be rated Possibly 5-B or just plain simple 5-B

We aint there just yet.

 

[RanaProGamer]

There's also his feat of One Shotting Momoshiki with his Rasengan.

Weren't both Naruto and Momoshiki heavily fatigued? Though I don't think they should be that far below 5-C, so baseline 5-C would make sense I think, like how we did it with Juubito and Juubidara?

 

[M3X_2.0]

Weren't both Naruto and Momoshiki heavily fatigued?

Naruto, yes. Chakra was drained, fought Momoshiki and black receivers ****** him. Momoshiki, no. Ate pills and became stronger.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Weren't both Naruto and Momoshiki heavily fatigued? Though I don't think they should be that far below 5-C, so baseline 5-C would make sense I think, like how we did it with Juubito and Juubidara?

Didn't Momoshiki abdorb Jutsu from the guy with the Scientific Ninja Tool, got hit by Boruto's Rasengan, then take in multiple Chakra Pills?

 

[RanaProGamer]

Naruto, yes. Chakra was drained, fought Momoshiki and black receivers ****** him. Momoshiki, no. Ate pills and became stronger.

Was he stronger? Cuz that was like 4 chakra pills which was just over the 3 pills he gained from Killer B. Also isn't chakra used as a way to amp durability, like the more damage you take, the more chakra gets drained. And he was almost out after getting hit by Kurama's Susanoo Avatar?

 

[RanaProGamer]

Didn't Momoshiki abdorb Jutsu from the guy with the Scientific Ninja Tool, got hit by Boruto's Rasengan, then take in multiple Chakra Pills?

I think the Scientific Tool gave him 4 pills.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I think the Scientific Tool gave him 4 pills.

IIRC he still had Pills. After getting knocked out of his Lava Golem, Momoshiki absorbed Jutsu from the Scientific Ninja Tool. After getting hit by Boruto's Vanishing Rasengan, Momoshiki ate his remaining Pills, then fought against Sasuke and Boruto.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I think the Scientific Tool gave him 4 pills.

He didn't gain Pills from the Scientific Ninja Tool, he just absorbed its Jutsus, replenishing him, then used Shadow Possession, and Chakra Rods

 

[RanaProGamer]

Oh, never mind then.

How would this affect Base Naruto's AP? Would it Varie up to 5-C?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

IDK something like: Varies up to 5-C/5-C+ (Insert Justification)

If this gets approval and accepted IG?

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

It would just be up to 5-C+.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Id like to hear @Damage3245 thoughts about this.

 

[Damage3245]

I suppose a Varies rating might be the best solution.

 

[RanaProGamer]

I suppose a Varies rating might be the best solution.

Just Varies, or Varies Up To 5-C+?

 

[Damage3245]

Either could work, though you'd have to be careful that characters scaling to base Naruto aren't automatically scaling to 5-C+.

 

[RanaProGamer]

Either could work, though you'd have to be careful that characters scaling to base Naruto aren't automatically scaling to 5-C+.

Definitely, will you apply this?

 

[LordTracer]

Either could work, though you'd have to be careful that characters scaling to base Naruto aren't automatically scaling to 5-C+.

I think base Toneri and Jigen are the only people we scale to base Naruto so far, and Jigen should definitely be 5-C+.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Toneri would likely still be Unknown as He has no real feats or statements.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Yeah, IIRC he mostly used Absorption Hax against Naruto (Twice I believe)

 

[KingTempest]

Toneri bodied Naruto w/ an energy blast and pushed him on a wall where Naruto couldn't get out until Toneri's eyes started to hurt

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Toneri bodied Naruto w/ an energy blast

When Toneri absorbed Naruto's Chakra with his Green Orb?

pushed him on a wall where Naruto couldn't get out until Toneri's eyes started to hurt

When did that happen?

 

[KingTempest]

When Toneri absorbed Naruto's Chakra with his Green Orb?

When did that happen?

Those are both during the same event, when Naruto went to save Hinata

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Was that his TK or some sort of Wind Manipulation?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Thats a very Casual Naruto who is literally just walking towards Hinata, that's not enough Justification for a 5-C rating.

In contrast Jigen has statements of being above Delta who can H2H Six paths Naruto.

 

[KingTempest]

Was that his TK or some sort of Wind Manipulation?

I quote the novelization

“Toneri... How dare you treat Hinata like a doll!”

Fueled by his anger, Naruto pulled out the bubble and crushed it. Hinata swayed and collapsed. It was then that Hinata’s body was forcibly taken from Naruto’s arms. Toneri had raised his hand and drawn Hinata towards himself.
“Hahaha, Hinata is mine... I’ll take her back!”
“Hinata!”
As Naruto cried out and began to run after, Toneri turned his palm towards him. “Down!”
Booooooom!
Naruto was sent flying with a strong force, sinking into the wall behind him. “Ugh...”
He was being crushed to the point that he couldn’t breathe.
Hinata began to wake up in Toneri’s arms.
“Hinata, it’s too soon for you to wake up,” Toneri said as he tried to push a new bubble into Hinata’s chest—

Toneri held his eyes and began to groan.

“Urgh... Damn, the final movement...”
He fell to one knee, unable to bear it.
Having regained her senses, Hinata staggered away from Toneri, unsteadily fleeing.
Naruto tried desperately to escape from inside the wall. He had taken proportional damage, but he wouldn’t give up—that was the gutsiness of a shinobi.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

So not an energy blast?

 

[KingTempest]

So not an energy blast?

I guess so, but it's stated to have hurt Naruto, so that's that

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I guess so, but it's stated to have hurt Naruto, so that's that

So basically that only gives Base Toneri AP and LS with his TK that far surpasses Base Naruto's own LS and Durability then?

 

[KingTempest]

So basically that only gives Base Toneri AP and LS with his TK that far surpasses Base Naruto's own LS and Durability then?

Imo, yeah