Georredannea15
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By the way, is there any further input needed? Because I guess Firestorm wasn't too sure, but the final decision was 2-A, possibly Low 1-C.
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Is My Little Pony Low 1-C? Let's Find Out.
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While the full discussion will be done later, wouldn't it just be 2-A since it's only the dreams, not the realm containing the dreams, they manipulated?
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should still be an uncountable infinite amount of dreams
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That's 2-A tho isn't it?
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Even in the MCU thread, the timelines themselves were not Low 1-C, just the realm containing them.
MCU: possible correction or upgrade to Tier 1 (?)
He can travel to the Watcher's realm which exists outside of the Multiverse, being able to freely leave a Low 1-C structure with its boundaries being irrelevant doesn't give Low 1-C range? No https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Range Low Multiversal: Attacks and abilities that are able to...
MCU: possible correction or upgrade to Tier 1 (?)
yes, this is true for the current system, a coordinate field containing 2a would be l1c, but the point here is that what reiner said is not valid for mcuCountless snapshots that will support l1c on the subject here are connected to only one plane, and this still makes it 2 because it will be in...
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that doesnt seem quite right, as 2-a describes countably infinite amount of universes, but if thats the precedent, then there's no use arguing itEven in the MCU thread, the timelines themselves were not Low 1-C, just the realm containing them.
MCU: possible correction or upgrade to Tier 1 (?)
He can travel to the Watcher's realm which exists outside of the Multiverse, being able to freely leave a Low 1-C structure with its boundaries being irrelevant doesn't give Low 1-C range? No https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Range Low Multiversal: Attacks and abilities that are able to...vsbattles.com
MCU: possible correction or upgrade to Tier 1 (?)
yes, this is true for the current system, a coordinate field containing 2a would be l1c, but the point here is that what reiner said is not valid for mcuCountless snapshots that will support l1c on the subject here are connected to only one plane, and this still makes it 2 because it will be in...
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The MCU got "possibly Low 1-C", so I say the same would be fine to apply here.
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Infinity Ultron (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
Wow. I see everything. There are worlds beyond my own. Worlds that need... me. I'm going to bring about "peace in our time" to every corner of the universe.Ultron announcing his goal In an alternate universe where Ultron had succeeded in obtaining Vision's body. Ultron used it to wipe out the...
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why was it possibly? was it because the character may or may not scale to the entire cosmology?The MCU got "possibly Low 1-C", so I say the same would be fine to apply here.
Infinity Ultron (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
Wow. I see everything. There are worlds beyond my own. Worlds that need... me. I'm going to bring about "peace in our time" to every corner of the universe.Ultron announcing his goal In an alternate universe where Ultron had succeeded in obtaining Vision's body. Ultron used it to wipe out the...
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Ehhh maybe. To be Possibly Low 1-C they would have to affect the entire structure.
In other words, the entire structure has the capacity to contain an uncountable infinite number of 4-D world(2-A structures). If they affect a certain part, that is, only the 2-A structures within it, they may not scale. But if they affect the whole structure(Dreamspace), it would be possibly Low 1-C, yes.
Georredannea15
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Okay then, make these two characters "2-A, possibly Low 1-C" and be done. I guess this seems like the best option.
Or wait for more staff input if you want it badly.
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I'm looking at the descriptions, and it doesn't say anything about the Dreamscape realm itself.
Multiverse level+ (Linked the dreams of an entire town into one giant shared dream. Every dream contains a hallway of doors leading to infinite futures that could happen based on your actions)
Multiverse level+ (Warped countless nightmares across Equestria back into normal dreams with a wave of her magic, though it took a drain on her power. Every dream contains a hallway of doors leading to infinite futures that could happen based on your actions)
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Oh I guess it's only Celestia justification for now.
Second scan says she warped every dream across Equestria.
Anyway, I'll just deal with the scaling in another thread. For now, we can conclude this thread with the Dream Realm being 2-A, possibly Low 1-C.
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We'll continue the discussion there. Link it here when you create the thread.
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The 2-A scale comes from Luna (as I remember the crt)
I don't remember anything talking about affecting the Dreamscape itself, just the dreams of the citizens
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To be fair I have to say something about the validity of Low 1-C actually, as I am thinking you guys are making a mess about the tiers.
Rakih_Elyan
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Hell yeah, agree.
Low 1-C horsie, lets go.
Low 1-C horsie, lets go.
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I agree with the proposals.
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What do you mean?
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The dreamscape doesn't really matter due to Aleph 1 amounts of timelines being Low 1-C by default.
You see, having an extra temporal dimension already does a cosmology Low 1-C, due to the things under this "hyper time" being multiplied an uncountable infinite amount of times for every moment of time of the temporal dimension. This is literally how Low 2-C is bigger in the same way as 3-A and High 3-A, right because of the "multiplier" to the 3D space part given from the "+1D" time added to the space time.
Low 1-C also doesn't really say that it HAS to be a layer above 4D or whatever, just that it has to showcase a degree of infinity above 4D, which is what Aleph-1 amount of timeline is, because it's straight up a level of infinity above Aleph-0 timelines, or what we define here as 2-A. It's also the same reason why High 1-B is not the same as Low 1-A, right because the latter is Aleph 1 Higher Ds.
Basically it not being straight up Low 1-C contradicts the very basis of the tiering system itself, as even 2^infinite stuff is already Aleph 1.
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The reason is because we don't know how it happened, only that Alioth ended the war between countless timelines. The fact that we even got a rating out of that statement was a blessing
Also, not to derail, but there seems to be a misconception that the MCU is a bunch of 2-As in a Low 1-C when according to the blog it's multiple Low 1-C timelines
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To reiterate, each being has its own structure in the Dreamscape of doors and hallways representing the choices they could possibly make. You are proposing that this structure is Tier 1, yes?
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Low 1-C timelines in the linked blog was not agreed upon in the MCU revision thread.
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I'm pretty sure Alioth got Low 1-C because Low 1-C timelines got agreed on. Otherwise it would've remained higher into 2-A
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If you can provide the thread link for that revision, it would be very helpful.
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What I mean is that the amount of timeline alone is Low 1-C, the Dreamscape simply isn't that important.
The MCU thing is not really relevant as it never had hints of infinite^infinite timelines here, also because temporal dimensions to qualify need lots of scrutinity.
Here instead we got straight up a confirmation of Qualitative Superiority through the infinite^infinite amount, it straight up has to be Low 1-C as it's even said in the Tiering System FAQ that only an uncountable infinite amount of multiverses is relevant for tier jumps.
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If each being has it's own structure, you would have to justify that there are an infinite amount of these structures i.e. an infinite number of beings connected to the dreamscape.
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This is the thread that upgraded Alioth
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It's already said in the OP
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Actually I read the blog better. Every dream of an individual has the infinite^infinite timelines within it, meaning every single dream is Low 1-C by its own.
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How is the dream structure any different from the standard tier 2 structure that branches with every choice?
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This seems fine to me, but I am not certain how our tiering system works in this regard.
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What do you think about this?
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What do you think about this?
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Every possibility has its own hallway of doors that are infinite, with each door leading to another hallway with infinite doors, and so on.
This is not a simple MWI-like cosmology, is straight up a case of infinite possibilities, with each of those infinite possibilities branching to its own set of infinite possibilities, and so on. Ergo each of the possibilities gets multiplied for infinity literally infinite times, thus is infinite^infinite, aka uncountable infinity that is Low 1-C in this case.
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Again, how is that any different from any other choice branching timeline? The first timeline branches from each choice, and those timlines branch more, and so on.
Georredannea15
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No one has already denied that infinity^infinity or 2^infinity is equal to Aleph 1, that is, uncountable infinity. The only problem is, there's no such thing here.(At least directly)
The situation here is just like each universe within a 2-A structure also being 2-A.(So it's not infinity^infinity. In order for this to have an infinite exponent, the infinity of the situation in the OP also must be repeated infinitely.) But some extra stuff the OP offers could make it a possibly Low 1-C.
Due to some circumstances they gave this a "possibly" scale
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