High School DxD Downgrade: 2-A Cosmology

[Dragongod224]

At this point I am not interested in this thread any longer because staff don't read things they accept and when Downgrade came they're just accept that with same scan even thought they previously accepted

 

[Dragongod224]

I didn't deny it is a different timeline, but it being different timeline and have different events shouldn't be used as a reason to argue that each event create its own timeline, that is too extrapolate without solid ground

Telos Karma is hax which force different outcome, you need a lot more to prove it create different physical possibility or timeline

Even you say so staff and member accepted that without even a member and staff disagree on that and now they accepting this with same scan that used previously and how

They just don't read the context before agree on that

 

[Vietthai96]

Even you say so staff and member accepted that without even a member and staff disagree on that and now they accepting this with same scan that used previously and how

They just don't read the context before agree on that

Tbf, they are busy with other stuffs, you can't expect them to read every tiny details to evaluate. Worse there are thread that have no staffs evaluate at all

 

[Dragongod224]

Tbf, they are busy with other stuffs, you can't expect them to read every tiny details to evaluate. Worse there are thread that have no staffs evaluate at all

And how about members even create of this thread agree before

 

[Vietthai96]

And how about members

I didn't knew about the 2-A upgrade thread until it passed so idk, but again staff votes is needed to pass a thread so......

 

[Dragongod224]

I didn't knew about the 2-A upgrade thread until it passed so idk, but again staff votes is needed to pass a thread so......

Than staff needed to think before agreeing on that it not lower tier you know it's reach multiverse level where things like this start to get complicated

 

[Dragongod224]

After reading the OP, I see the core argument that is used is that all of those "possibilities" are simply hypothetical outcomes that don't actually exist and don't happen.

Let's first list our general assumption and guidelines for a timeline:
Note that timelines, by default, are assumed to be infinitely long i.e. it’s assumed that there is no end to time. Hence, unless the contrary are shown, the destruction of timelines that branch out from each other, and then never merge together again, would still be ranked between 2-C and 2-A (depending on the amount).

Time is assumed to be endless and infinite, meaning there are no ends and every time point and all events have already happened; everything is set in course and that is why the application of fate, destiny and history comes into rule here. All of the events that occurred, whether it be the "past", or "future", etc. are already set; the future is already set, meaning everything has already happened.

Which is true in dxd since issei children come from the 30 year future form parallel timeline to this timeline

Though, you'll argue that simply because the future is already set and fate coming into play here alone is a silly argument for multiple worlds, which I do agree with; however, I see that the evidence presented by the last upgrade thread and your OP does ultimately indicate the existence of multiple timelines.

Because Ex timeline reference to a time a timeline where issei not met the fairy of goddess of breast
Or the history of other timelines is already different with each step you take forward
Which also means they are other parallel timeline with different events already and more are create with each step
which not created because of time travel that means it's created because of different events
and all this creater of this thread rejecting are possible events in different timeline and there are infinite possibilities of timeline which are not create because of time travel but create because of different events

Infinite Possibilities​

There are issues with the infinite possibilities stuff:

• Scans and their contexts in this link.

The first scan, the funniest of all. It talks about breasts. Literally breasts. This scan is unusable. Contrary to what the one who upgraded the verse claims, this does not correlate in any way with the timelines, being here only his own addition. The scan talks about what he can do with breasts, as seen in episode 5 of DxD Hero where he summoned Rias Gremory just to press her breasts and get a powerup, nothing more here. Another funny passage where Rias's big brother suggested him to use Boost on Rias' breasts. These are the possibilities in question.

The second scan is the same scan, nothing more.

The third scan is just as fun. The scan talks about match formation and possibilities and it's used for scaling, lol.

The fourth scan. He talks about the power of the breasts that can give him random powerups, hinting at possibilities, here nothing material and usable for scaling.

The fifth scan. So peak this scan. Literally, nothing usable here. It mentions possibilities that "can occur" following the throwing of a rock. It's such a basic thing. With a soccer ball coming towards us, we have several possibilities, I don't see anything here that can be added for scaling. If you open this link again, you will see that the one who published the scan is trying to justify something. What he says there unfortunately comes purely from his own invention, nothing mentioning the creation of anything.

The sixth scan. This one is so funny. It just refers to the potential of the young people whose training is taken care of by a certain character, nothing more.

The seventh scan. Not only is it vague, but the context here refers to the future, mentioning the fact that there are an infinite number of possibilities open to a person.

Now add the in-verse context that it asserts that there do exist multiple branches in the timeline from a course of events, with each branch representing a "possible timeline"; there is multiple "linear flow of events" from that certain course of action that arises "possible timeline". Not to mention that it is explicitly said that different events with different timeline like I give example above, clearly asserting that there being branched out timelines with each branch representing a "possibility or timeline".



An previously accepted one
And as for Telos Karma (Volume 25 screenshot), its power is to choose "choices" or "possibilities" and force whichever he chooses to occur and each of these choices is a new history, or timeline. As stated multiple times, there are infinite of these choices.

I'll go over the stuff in the OP that does implicate the existence of multiple timelines/branching futures:

All this comes from a misuse of possibilities. Possibilities do not exist, they can occur.

• Misleading interpretation of scans.

There is a big misleading here. Only one world is created here, with Innovate Clear having the ability to create a world while Telos Karma the History Breaker manipulates causality. So only one world is created with the help of Innovate Clear while Telos Karma allows to alter causality, forcing impossible outcomes at improbable times. Telos Karma does not create anything, it just allows to manipulate causality and the fate of the world already created.

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My argument:
Same argument as before. The future is already set; the future is real, actualised, and did already happen and does exists. (That the reason how issei children come from future)Under the law and notion of fate, everything is already set, statements about multiple possibilities directly assert the existence of branched-out futures with each branch representing a different possibility from that point in time (in simple words, a possible future or timeline). And also time travel create even more timeline by changing past.

The entire concept of possibilities and hypothesis comes from the mortal minds of human beings because we can't see into the future, hence we assume that the future is not set and hypothetical futures are passed on and shit, but the concept of destiny says otherwise. Fate and destiny already predetermined everything, there are no hypothetical outcomes from the being like Gasper Vladi or other who can see in time perspective because they knows everything is predetermined and what'll happen, and there is no hypothesis in that. And that's the reason Gasper Vladi know about issei in different timeline with different events.

With that said, the only plausible interpretation of "multiple possibilities" would be different existing futures, with each future being a different timeline that operates independently, separate from any other timeline. Or, branching in the main timeline with each branched-out timeline representing a different future/possibility or timeline.

Which this thread rejecting

Many-Worlds Interpretation​

The justification of these guys is the most absurd thing ever. The justification is here. So absurd, so wrong. So the scan they used talks about timelines splitting when the past is changed, which is absolutely not consistent with the Many-Worlds Interpretation theory. The timeline splits here only happen when the past is changed, while the Many-Worlds Interpretation wants at least these splits to be made to accommodate all possibilities of an action in the present. Moreover, to their justification, they add their own deductions and personal thoughts like "the future is infinite so there are infinitely many timelines created" lol.

It's simple here: the verse does not follow the Many-Worlds Interpretation theory.

The context mentions the existence of multiple worlds and implies they exist with respect to the flow and branching of time/future/possibilities.

I overall disagree with this; the evidence indicating the actual existence of multiple futures rather than a simple hypothetical basis is just too strong. Not to mention that we assume time to be infinite and all events to be predetermined by default. Also the think time travel create even more timeline by changing past events

 

[Wikisource]

Yeah, this gonna be interesting, following...