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Uncountably infinite Timelines - Saint Seiya

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Uncountably infinite Timelines (5D Multiverse)

Uncountably infinite Explanation



The future is fluid in that it's both a dynamic continuum and a static continuum, as the future is built upon the arrangement and movement of atoms (wind/air and water movement), human actions, and even natural rhythms (Heartbeats). The universe is stated to be infinite, containing an infinite amount of stars; and thus infinite atoms, and all things are stated to be in constant motion and continually rearranging as all things are in motion, as stated by Buddha. This logically means there is an uncountably infinite number of interactions and influences that create an uncountably infinite number of timelines. This is due to there being an infinite number of actions that each individual atom, and naturally occurring rhythms in the universe (including atomic movements), can take per 1 point/coordinate in spacetime. This creates an uncountably infinite amount timelines.

Everything in the universe is existing at/on some coordinate in space and time (infinite coordinates per thing/object [most particularly Stars, and individual Atoms]) the infinitely many existing things individually (by themselves [for example an individual atom]) are creating infinite timelines in time per 1 coordinate in 3D space and infinitely more timelines per coordinate in/on the temporal axis these individually infinitely existing things exist on.

Scans are provided in the first explanation.

Verified to be Uncountably Infinite by staff

https://vsbattles.com/profile-posts/97714/

https://vsbattles.com/profile-posts/97711/
 
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Verified to be Uncountably Infinite by staff






 
GarrixianXD is also a staff
Raws and translation are provided in the links that are embedded into the text, and according to what I've seen on past staff threads Qawsedf234 is seen as one of the most knowledgeable tier 1 experts (DT, and Ultima being the top 2 for obvious reasons lol )

Also the idea that it's uncountably infinite is mathematically sound. Explanation is in the OP

Not having a good week so in sorry if I'm Comong across as short and aggressive...
 
Since time is a continuum, timelines are caused by variations in events and there are infinite possibilities, there are infinite timelines spawned at each point in time.

That's aleph 1. Whether or not the scans are enough to prove that might be debatable, but the logic is sound.
 
So basically low 1-C this time? Sure, seems perfectly sound to me. Tho I remember suggesting 6D as well along the lines of if the branched timelines branch further as well.
Tho, if you are trying to keep it simple, that is fine too.
 
So basically low 1-C this time? Sure, seems perfectly sound to me. Tho I remember suggesting 6D as well along the lines of if the branched timelines branch further as well.
Tho, if you are trying to keep it simple, that is fine too.
I want to keep it simple, yeah. Not over complicate it. I'll go for higher tiers in the future.
 
Hmm, interesting, I do have some questions and things ti be clarified before giving my full thoughts.
1- Since the universe is infinite, and contains infinite stars, thus it contains infinite matter/atoms, right?
2-And According to your thread/scans, just the movement of atoms itself can cause future to branch off, thus at least amount of atoms = amounts of futures?
3-Your scan doesn't mention atoms causing branches of future to..well branch off, only gusts of wind or human hearts or droplets of water, so from where did you get atoms are responsible for causing the future ti branch off?
4-And uh...Wouldn't this just be simple 2-A? It just infinite atoms = Infinite timelines, so how's that low 1-C?
 
Hmm, interesting, I do have some questions and things ti be clarified before giving my full thoughts.
1- Since the universe is infinite, and contains infinite stars, thus it contains infinite matter/atoms, right?
2-And According to your thread/scans, just the movement of atoms itself can cause future to branch off, thus at least amount of atoms = amounts of futures?
3-Your scan doesn't mention atoms causing branches of future to..well branch off, only gusts of wind or human hearts or droplets of water, so from where did you get atoms are responsible for causing the future ti branch off?
4-And uh...Wouldn't this just be simple 2-A? It just infinite atoms = Infinite timelines, so how's that low 1-C?
Those are very good questions and I do have answers.

I'll answer them once I'm home and relaxed
 
Interesting, but uh...that assumes that each individual atom of those infinite atoms create infinite timelines....which isn't supported by the scans in the op, heck I'm doubting if even atoms themselves cause timelines to branch- heck, even even the scan itself doesn't say "Each drop of water, gust of wind creates an individual future", it only says that the future is a result of all of them, not each one of them creates a future.
 
The future is fluid in that it's both a dynamic continuum and a static continuum, as the future is built upon the arrangement and movement of atoms (wind/air and water movement), human actions, and even natural rhythms (Heartbeats). The universe is stated to be infinite, containing an infinite amount of stars; and thus infinite atoms, and all things are stated to be in constant motion and continually rearranging as all things are in motion, as stated by Buddha. This logically means there is an uncountably infinite number of interactions and influences that create an uncountably infinite number of timelines. This is due to there being an infinite number of actions that each individual atom, and naturally occurring rhythms in the universe (including atomic movements), can take per 1 point/coordinate in spacetime. This creates an uncountably infinite amount of timelines.
I absolutely do not understand this huge leap in logic. If the Universe is infinite then everything contained within the Universe would also be in infinite amounts, if they are all dispersed everywhere as your scans seem to show. What's so special about it? Why would it be a demonstration of uncountable infinity?

Also, you gave a different explanation to Qawsedf and Spaceman, where you said:
everything in the universe is existing at/on some coordinate in space and time (infinite coordinates per thing/object [most particularly stars, and Atoms]) the infinitely many existing things individually (by themselves [for example an individual atom]) are creating infinite branches in time per coordinate in 3D space and infinitely more branches per coordinate in/on the temporal axis these individually infinitely existing things exist on
This right here, is indeed a demonstration of uncountable infinity, but this is just not the case with the current topic presented by the OP. Don't play fool here, please.
 
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I'd have to side with GarrixanXD here. By that logic, it would mean any fiction with a universe having infinite matter within itself and "creating parallel worlds" passively would also make the whole cosmology Low 1-C, which is clearly not the case.
 
I think the OP is arguing that there is an infinitely expanding universe per every fundamental segment of matter from this scan. It seems like it was said all kinds of minor and perpetually recurring events cause branching in the future, which I see the argument upon, though it explicitly said "cumulative events". I can't find any further explanations for those "cumulative events" in other scans. Overall, I see that the future can be changed and branched through those cumulative events, and it has branched infinitely, hence there are infinite occurrences of those cumulative events. However, that still isn't uncountable; either it explains the infinite branching of the future which makes it look likely, or there's like an infinite quantity of those cumulative events and per each cumulative event, there branches an infinite number of futures (a wacky explanation as I don't think the evidence provided can support the possibility of it being the latter). Even if the latter explanation was the case, it would still be infinite x infinite, which still lands in the pool of being countable.

Another argument I see is the infinite branching of the future, which indicates an exponential tree along with an image in the background of the first scan -- this can potentially get to uncountable infinity. If you can provide further context towards the first scan then I would consider merit for the proposal, but the scan alone isn't really enough to establish anything since the evidence is shaky and leaves considerable room for doubt.
 
So addressing the infinite universe with infinite stuff


Spacetime by default assumption is a continuum according to the pages and policies i read; here is a quick list of things i found that state this just incase there is any unstated rules that I'm unaware of; as a "dimension" is stated by the wiki to be "a continuum of numbers.” There is even a guideline for something to be considered a “Continuum” and even things like Timelines, Dimensions, Universes, etc are stated to be an equivalent. There is a couple whole section dedicated to how the wiki uses set theory and Dimensionality together, and this does include the faq page.


Anyways I'll elaborate some more here.

ATOMS ARE LINKED TO ALL THINGS IN NATURE THEY MAKE UP EVERYTHING IN EXISTENCE. EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD IS MADE OF ATOMS,” and that "The universe has infinite stars.”, which logically means there is infinite atoms in the verse. These atoms in verse are not in any way or shape in a static or stationary state. And also by consequence that means there js an infinite # of 3D spatial coordinates that have atoms occupying them, and moving through 3D space.

But anyways let's look at these following statements which you knlw shows atoms take on unique states ahd have movement; “TEMPERATURE IS IN FACT A MEASURE OF THE MOVEMENT OF ATOMS…”,
NOTHING THAT LIVES ON THIS EARTH STAYS STILL, EVEN FOR AN INSTANT.”,
ALL IS CONSTANTLY IN MOTION, CONSTANTLY CHANGING. THIS IS CALLED TRANSIENCE.”, and “THE STARS THEY ARE ROTATING. THEY INTERTWINE SEVERAL TIMES AND FALL.” Everything in the universe is in constant motion, and when you combine this with the continuum of spacetime, this means that each atom, across the infinite universe, occupies an infinite number of distinct positions, and states at each moment/present/instant/Snapshot.
As i pointed out earlier, about the wiki and set theory so on and so on..........


The wiki states that Time is Uncountably infinite by default from a quote i found On the FAQ Page



3-Dimensional space on the wiki is also has an uncountably infinite number of spatial coordinates by default assumptions




The Atoms in the verse are in constant motion because space is a continuum, as an atom moves from one spatial coordinate to another, it must pass through an uncountably infinite number of intermediate spatial coordinates. Consider an atom moving between any two distinct points, A and B. Due to the continuous nature of space, there isn't simply an empty gap between them; instead, there exists an uncountably infinite number of distinct spatial coordinates along the path from A to B. As the atom moves, it occupies each of these unique spatial coordinates that it moves through. Even over the smallest displacement that an atom traverses is an uncountably infinite number of distinct spatial coordinates.

The properties of an atom (such as spatial positioning, temporal positionning as it moves, momentum, and spin) possesses an infinite range of unique numerical values (Anything related to 3-Dimensional space and the one dimension of time.) These properties define an atom's existence within this universe. Because each spatial dimension is continuous, there are infinite unique numerical values describing each of those positions. To describe a single atom in this continuous space, we need to describe all of its spatial positions, and that means all of its values.

If we focus on the properties of an atom, we can use the same logic to demonstrate the sheer number of states each atom across the infinite universe will exist in. I'll designate the number of distinct states that each atom has at every instant as 'C', which in our case, is infinite. Consequently, for a single atom, there exist 'C' number of states (i'll just go with 1 countably infinite set here with baseline of infinite spatial coordinates, and there being infinite # of atoms). When we consider two atoms, the total number of state arrangements becomes C * C or C². Similarly, for three atoms, we have C³ state arrangements. Therefore, with an infinite number of atoms (ℵ), the number of total state arrangements at each instant is C^ℵ. Given that C is defined as infinite, this is equivalent to 2^ℵ (or C^ℵ).

This is important because this is a contribution to the totality and accumulation of all events in the universe per present/instant/moment/snapshot that contributes to the creation of uncountably infinite timelines.


Anyways now addressing "where are you getting atoms from" and where is "each atom is creating infinite branches?"

Macroscopic events, such as gusts of wind are the result of the movements of air molecules, which as we should all know are made up of atoms like oxygen and nitrogen.


Anyways; now where is "1 atom = 1 infinite # of branches?"

Anyways a scan mentions "the result of all these cumulative events" (未来とはそれらを重ねた結果なのです), its talking about the sum total of all atomic changes and configurations at each “present” which is just another alternative way of saying “snapshot.”

The idea that only macroscopic events influence the timeline overlooks that reality even at the macroscopic level with macroscopic events are the byproducts of atomic activity. Because "The future is built upon the events of the present" and "What we call time is the result of all these cumulative events," each of the 2^ℵ arrangements of atoms at any instant creates uncountably infinite timelines. Therefore, the perpetual atomic motion occurring in continuous spacetime produces 2^ℵ distinct futures.

Think of a beach. Each grain of sand contributes to the beach's ecosystem, structure, shape, etc. A single grain of sand alone doesn't determines the entire beach's uniqueness, but the combined effect of all the grains creates its unique form. So technically a single atom creating infinite branches is still correct.

The microscopic changes do create infinite branches but it's the accumulation And totality of all events at every snapshot that creates uncountably infinite # of timelines.


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Also, apart of those is Dark Matter which is spreaded out across the universe in infinity and occupies all 3-Dimensional coordinates. Which by consequence should also ne included in this accumulation and totality that creates uncountably infinite branches at each snapshot.

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Basically my conclusion is this;

The totality of all events in the universe happening in the "present" (aka a snapshot) creates timelines based off those events. Which there is uncountably infinite events happening at every present and by wiki default assumption time is uncountably infinite as well. So uncountably infinite events happening across uncountably infinite snapshots, creating uncountably infinite timelines

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Disclaimer; I don't have a degree in advanced mathematics and physics so it's entirely possible I have a misunderstanding of things. I'm doing my best to understand the mathematical side of this.

Edit: I am struggling to put this into words.


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I'll wait for the OP, though I'm agreeing with Garrixian atm.
I think the OP is arguing that there is an infinitely expanding universe per every fundamental segment of matter from this scan. It seems like it was said all kinds of minor and perpetually recurring events cause branching in the future, which I see the argument upon, though it explicitly said "cumulative events". I can't find any further explanations for those "cumulative events" in other scans. Overall, I see that the future can be changed and branched through those cumulative events, and it has branched infinitely, hence there are infinite occurrences of those cumulative events. However, that still isn't uncountable; either it explains the infinite branching of the future which makes it look likely, or there's like an infinite quantity of those cumulative events and per each cumulative event, there branches an infinite number of futures (a wacky explanation as I don't think the evidence provided can support the possibility of it being the latter). Even if the latter explanation was the case, it would still be infinite x infinite, which still lands in the pool of being countable.

Another argument I see is the infinite branching of the future, which indicates an exponential tree along with an image in the background of the first scan -- this can potentially get to uncountable infinity. If you can provide further context towards the first scan then I would consider merit for the proposal, but the scan alone isn't really enough to establish anything since the evidence is shaky and leaves considerable room for doubt.
 
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