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High School DxD Downgrade: 2-A Cosmology

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Big issue with these DxD threads is they're constantly getting stonewalled as well, making it difficult for staff to even review them in the first place.

Many of the supporters continually repost the same arguments (or sometimes no arguments at all) despite them already being addressed. You can see this very apparent on this thread as well.

Unfortunately, discussion mods seemingly never stop this from happening either.

I feel the OP is already blatant enough, though, as much as it is ridiculous as well.

Btw, yes, I've disagreed with the vast majority of the recent revisions to the verse because most are just as dubious and ridiculous as this one. Similarly, they've only been applied because of a lack of further staff inspection to what should be extremely easy to deduce as nothing more than overly-generous and typically downright disingenuous interpretations of scans.

Unfortunately, I do not want to continually have to go through with being the only one to actually look through that stuff, only to be stonewalled time and time again. As you can see, even Franz here has to deal with that. I can't imagine that's fun for him either.

Simply having or mentioning that "possibilities" exist doesn't mean much in of itself and you have to prove their actualization as timelines for that to count towards the tiering. Most of these scans, as mentioned many times, are either completely hyperbolic (and unserious) or are just abstract and vague statements regarding potentiality.

There's also absolutely not enough evidence to just cross-scale the verse to the Many Worlds Interpretation. Even in verses where MWI is explicitly mentioned, that is not something the wiki does at all. We only base cosmologies on the feats and statements they have. We don't allow that kind of cross scaling to established ideas.
 
Big issue with these DxD threads is they're constantly getting stonewalled as well, making it difficult for staff to even review them in the first place.

Many of the supporters continually repost the same arguments (or sometimes no arguments at all) despite them already being addressed. You can see this very apparent on this thread as well.
I think both sides do it to a considerable degree, and it's a bit disingenuous to argue otherwise, you can point to numerous threads where the same thing happened here happened as well and it wasn't just supporters doing it.
 
I will also be honest here. Idk anything when it comes to 3-A and above so I keep my mouth shut on those topics, but even I gave up regarding the recent revisions because of how inaccurate it was and knew even if I said anything it was gonna be ignored. I was reported and treated as such unkindly, just for them to now seem then fighting off something that is apparently not an accurate CRT that even Helen Keller could see it. What’s even more disappointing however is staff NOT doing the job they r suppose to do and actually take a look at CRTs cause now we got a mess on our hands. I said it before and I’ll say it again, I think the previous CRTs that were accepted needs to be looked at again so we know it’s accurate and not inflated results

Now then….can we PLEASE get staff here to conclude this thread
 
I agree with the OP.

I don't find the counter arguments convincing, with them seemingly being extrapolations from personal interpretation without concrete backing from the series's cosmological structuring. Additionally, assuming what @Vietthai96 said is true, that the Anime studio introduced entirely different scenes and events that didn't occur in the Light Novel, and eventually caused the literal Author of the series to retroactively change events to address them, it seems like a kneecap to the most supportive piece of the evidence for the scaling, in my opinion.
 
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Additionally, assuming what @Vietthai96 is true, that the Anime studio introduced entirely different scenes and events that didn't occur in the Light Novel, and eventually caused the literal Writer of the series to retroactively change events to address them, seems like a kneecap for the most supportive piece of the evidence for the scaling, in my opinion.
This isn't true btw, explanation as to why can be found here. Kinda funny how we assume things are true without the people saying them providing a lick of evidence.
 
This isn't true btw, explanation as to why can be found here. Kinda funny how we assume things are true without the people saying them providing a lick of evidence.
If what he said is true though then ya know your supporting argument isn’t gonna work

Yall need to show where it’s stated that the anime studio has shown to change things and the author created an episode to fix it cause I can’t in mind accept such a a fact if I dont know if it exist
 
This isn't true btw, explanation as to why can be found here. Kinda funny how we assume things are true without the people saying them providing a lick of evidence.
Ayo, i decided to read the blog, so, no offense

In BorN's canonicity section, the suppose praise from Ishi who is the author, i checked the date of the twitter post, it is from 2012 to 2013, BorN was released in middle of 2014, so idk how this suppose praise hold up, DxD EX was released in middle of 2015, one year later, funny is, the EX novel was released as a part of Blu-Ray bundle. Some of other screenshots do not have date, but from the tone of the, it was before BorN officially air on TV, such as this. This scan show the table of three TNK anime seasons with one separate picture of the Season 4, no context was provided in this screenshot to actually prove there are connected, of course, i can understand why you have such conclusion so i will leave it as it be, still doesn't change the fact that Hero Episode 0 retcon half of BorN. So it seem like my assertion that something wrong with TNK DxD season 3 that make Ishi decided to change studio and retcon BorN is more valid

HERO's inconsistencies section
1. First, Episode 0 is just a sped up recap episode, and it's main purpose was to introduce the audience to the new artstyle
No proof for this, literally, and if they just want to recap and introduce new artstyle, why went out of their way to tell completely different events??. Of course Juggernaut Drive Vali vs Juggernaut Drive Issei wasn't in LN, but it still lead to the same ending as LN, as in LN, Issei need to hear to Boob song which i forgot the name, and touch Rias's nipples to break out of JD
2. Second, the events of Episode 3's flashback isn't the only event to have happened off screen, we know that a version of Issei vs Sirzechs (Volume 8) happened in the anime's timeline as well but it isn't shown on screen either, and there was a period of time where it could've happened as well. (After BorN but before HERO.) Third, same as the last point and a period of time where it could've taken place is between Episode 3 and 4 of BorN.
Mostly guess, in BorN, Rating game between Rias and Sona never happen, in Hero, it was confirmed to be off-screen, where do you get the ideas that it is also off-screen, same with other events from LN
There the big problem with the claim that 4 anime seasons is one single timeline is, literally after the Episode 0, nothing in Hero confirmed the existence of later half of what happened in BorN, cause the whole mind hax shit was BorN exclusive

Anyway, i need to sleep now, bye, anyway again, i didn't really deny anime being its own timeline, just some information need to be cleared
 
Ayo, i decided to read the blog, so, no offense

In BorN's canonicity section, the suppose praise from Ishi who is the author, i checked the date of the twitter post, it is from 2012 to 2013, BorN was released in middle of 2014, so idk how this suppose praise hold up,
The posts predating the release of BorN were meant to show the praise of Ishibumi to the staff that worked on BorN. (as the staff was mostly consistent throughout the first three seasons)
This scan show the table of three TNK anime seasons with one separate picture of the Season 4, no context was provided in this screenshot to actually prove there are connected, of course,
I mean, when a picture of a timeline is placed next to an image of a new event. Logically that would mean that event would occur on the same timeline.
i can understand why you have such conclusion so i will leave it as it be, still doesn't change the fact that Hero Episode 0 retcon half of BorN.
How does it retcon anything from BorN?
So it seem like my assertion that something wrong with TNK DxD season 3 that make Ishi decided to change studio and retcon BorN is more valid
How???
HERO's inconsistencies section

No proof for this, literally, and if they just want to recap and introduce new artstyle, why went out of their way to tell completely different events??.
"Completely Different" Brother it's literally the same thing, just in a different artstyle, the only difference is the time the song was played.
Of course Juggernaut Drive Vali vs Juggernaut Drive Issei wasn't in LN, but it still lead to the same ending as LN, as in LN, Issei need to hear to Boob song which i forgot the name, and touch Rias's nipples to break out of JD
If Hero had stuff not in the LN which is your main reason for BorN not being canon, then how is Hero canon? Like, this is the most cherrypicked argument ever dude.
Mostly guess, in BorN, Rating game between Rias and Sona never happen, in Hero, it was confirmed to be off-screen, where do you get the ideas that it is also off-screen, same with other events from LN
There the big problem with the claim that 4 anime seasons is one single timeline is, literally after the Episode 0, nothing in Hero confirmed the existence of later half of what happened in BorN, cause the whole mind hax shit was BorN exclusive
Sorry, can't understand what you're saying here.
 
your opinion will be appreciated.
Alright
that we didn't read, especially the scans.
Damn, my weakness
So this album is used for the following section:
In High School DxD, timelines are spawned via various methods like time traveling, actions made after time traveling, or even just any possible action or possible inaction, the series follows Many-Worlds Interpretation as outlined in the previous hyperlink. Supported by statements of infinite possibilities (to add more detail, the Oppai scans reference the infinite possibilities of the powers Issei could obtain from them and how he could obtain them, directly correlating to the differences between the timelines. Issei unlock Dress Break during V1 in the anime while in the LN, it's Volume 2. He first uses Pailingual during the events of Volume 6 in the anime, while in the LN, it's Volume 5. Issei first uses Pailingual to see past events in volume 9 of the anime while it's Volume 7 of the LN. And as for Telos Karma (Volume 25 screenshot), its power is to choose "choices" or "possibilities" and force whichever he chooses to occur and each of these choices is a new history, or timeline. As stated multiple times, there are infinite of these choices. Timelines that we know of are the anime timeline, LN timeline, original timeline, Twitter timeline, and future timeline. ExE, DxD, and FxF are part of the same timeline and they exist in other timelines as well<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:MasqueTLDF/Sandbox_High_School_DxD_Cosmology#cite_note-48"><span>[</span>48<span>]</span></a>.
While the breasts have a weirdly large amount of text devoted to them, the core of the evidence is the beginning and ending sections rather than the middle where the boobs are featured from what I see/remember.
The first scan,
The second scan is the same scan, nothing more.
Yeah, I agree, this adds nothing in-context. It's just standard lewd humor
The third scan is just as fun. The scan talks about match formation and possibilities and it's used for scaling, lol.
I also agree, this is taking different game states and applying them as different universes. But it's seemingly being used as supporting evidence that there are valid alternate possibilities rather than evidence on its own.
The fifth scan. So peak this scan. Literally, nothing usable here. It mentions possibilities that "can occur" following the throwing of a rock. It's such a basic thing. With a soccer ball coming towards us, we have several possibilities, I don't see anything here that can be added for scaling. If you open this link again, you will see that the one who published the scan is trying to justify something. What he says there unfortunately comes purely from his own invention, nothing mentioning the creation of anything.
The point here is that it's supporting evidence. The blog is making the following claim: Choices and actions cause different universes to form.

This scan is being used as an acknowledgement that there are possibilities generated from actions and is being used as evidence for the previously mentioned reasons.
The sixth scan. This one is so funny. It just refers to the potential of the young people whose training is taken care of by a certain character, nothing more.
This however is just cope with statements and not valid.
  • Misleading interpretation of scans.
This is referring to this particular section
So the response is
There is a big misleading here. Only one world is created here, with Innovate Clear having the ability to create a world while Telos Karma the History Breaker manipulates causality. So only one world is created with the help of Innovate Clear while Telos Karma allows to alter causality, forcing impossible outcomes at improbable times. Telos Karma does not create anything, it just allows to manipulate causality and the fate of the world already created.
This seems overall a solid point. Only Innovate Clear shows a clear example of alternate realities, with Karma being changing the current reality to something else.

Many-Worlds Interpretation
This is referring to this section
So the response is
The justification of these guys is the most absurd thing ever. The justification is here. So absurd, so wrong. So the scan they used talks about timelines splitting when the past is changed, which is absolutely not consistent with the Many-Worlds Interpretation theory. The timeline splits here only happen when the past is changed, while the Many-Worlds Interpretation wants at least these splits to be made to accommodate all possibilities of an action in the present. Moreover, to their justification, they add their own deductions and personal thoughts like "the future is infinite so there are infinitely many timelines created" lol.
The OP ultimately makes a correct point here. The time splits are being generated not through action but through a temporal distortion created by a power. My quote last time was the following:
The fact that universes are created by action or in-action means that the split occurs based on a sentient beings free will. Which is a finite number being multiplied by an infinite amount.
If the splits aren't created by action or inaction, but instead through a time power, this is just a vague form of 2-C.

So, barring a clearer confirmation that anyone by an action can create a timeline, this wouldn't be 2-A. There are infinite possibilities, sure, but even with that assumption only one possibility is ever valid. Which goes against a 2-A rating.
 
Well, since the supporters couldn't prove that the timelines are created by actions/inactions, can I apply the changes?
 
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