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Sure thing, I’ll have to do it tomorrow since it’s pretty late on my end, but I’ll let you know when I start and finish.The weird scaling thing should come out later, as I said a few post before.
@Isaiah_ZaMangaka hey dude, add the next things to my Bleeding Edge draft.
Summary
Model 37, known as the Bleeding Edge, this armor was created as Tony Stark essentially reinvented himself and the armor. Being called an upgrade to Extremis by Mr. Fantastic, Tony Stark corrected this comment by saying, "Nah - this is what comes next."
Powers and Stats
Tier: 7-C
Name: Iron Man Armor Model 37, Bleeding Edge Armor
Origin: Marvel Comics (link the verse)
Classification: Iron Man Armor
Wielders: Tony Stark
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Flight Information Analysis, Energy Projection and Absorption, Nanotechnolgy, Technology, Hacking, Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Magnetism Manipulation, Regeneration (High-Low, repairs minor depth damage in a few panels (citation: Iron Man Vol 5 #32) Forcefield and Weapon Creation, Homing Attack, Statistics Amplification, Status Effect Inducement, Non-Physical Interaction, Resistance to Petrification, Absolute Zero, Heat and Telepathy
Attack Potency: 7-C (As a direct evolution of Extremis, being called the next step (Iron Man Vol 5 #25) it should be around the same level of power, if not stronger)
Speed: At least Massively Hypersonic+ (Should be vastly faster than previous armors)
Durability: 7-C (Should be comparable to Extremis, easily protected Stark from a repulsor explosion and covered the blast in a forcefield (Iron Man Vol 5 #31)
Range: At least a few dozens of meters with range weapons, planetary through technology
Feats:
- Can somehow still function at absolute zero temperature
- Can resist Grey Gargoyle's petrification (Iron Man Vol 5 #505)
- Can withstand the temperature of the odinforge (Iron Man Vol 5)
Notable Attacks/Techniques:
As a direct technology step of Extremis it should be able to perfom all its abilities and more:
This for now, you might notice the lack of scans and citations for many of those additions, but it took me hours just making this amount of text while on phone, I didn't put everything.
- Multi-Directional Repulsors: Several repulsor rays fired at different angles
- Energy Conversion Power Recharge: The armor can absorb multiple sources of energy, such electric and electromagnetic to increase it's power.
- Nanotechnolgy: The Bleeding Edge is composed of neurokinetic user controller nanoparticles bundles, a fibrous of wetweb or iron and platinum (Iron Man Vol 5 #30). This morphology allows Stark to create many weapons such arm cannons (Same issue), and energy blades (Iron Man Vol 5 #505)
- Homing Lasers: Lasers from the palms that fork out in several beams that hit multiple enemies (Avengers Annual)
- Psychic Dampeners: Mean to block the mind reading from the likes of Xavier
I will constantly edits this comment with new things and remind you of the updates, okay?
Which leads to 5-A armorsI’m not acting like I’m not going for 5-A, I’m just saying that the current discussion is specifically about the next armors scaling to Extremis.
And these are the problematic *******, your point?The only armors that can actually qualify as next-gen compared to Extremis would be the Bleeding Edge (clearly portrayed as the next step from Extremis), possibly the Model 42 (Tony’s main armor for a significant period of time)
Why are you scaling his forcefields to his armor :vExtremis clashes evenly with Doom, only getting overwhelmed when he brings out magic. (Mighty Avengers Vol. 1 #9)
You forgot to mention the part where he gets his ass handed to him by Anti-Man multiple times, who is the main antagonist of this series and a comparable being to Brashear.Extremis slams Blue Marvel into the ground and hurts him. It later takes a hit from him. (Adam: Legend of the Blue Marvel #5).
Yeah because Sentry is a bloodthirsty monster that will always go for the kill.Takes a hit from Sentry. (Iron Man Vol. 4 #10)
Can stagger and take hits from Sentry. (Iron Man Vol. 4 #11)
Holy shit Tracer, where do you get these monstrous characters who only think of ripping apart the skulls of their friends, and go max ******* strength every opportunity they get.Takes a hit from Hercules. (Civil War #4)
Yeah for that one single instance, Hulk just decided to go "y'know what? **** Banner"
Yeah no these scans are ******* garbage, I can find this level of shit for every 300+ appearances characterThere you go.
Oh yea I also wanted to ask, are we having a key for the Uru add on?The weird scaling thing should come out later, as I said a few post before.
@Isaiah_ZaMangaka hey dude, add the next things to my Bleeding Edge draft.
Summary
Model 37, known as the Bleeding Edge, this armor was created as Tony Stark essentially reinvented himself and the armor. Being called an upgrade to Extremis by Mr. Fantastic, Tony Stark corrected this comment by saying, "Nah - this is what comes next."
Powers and Stats
Tier: 7-C
Name: Iron Man Armor Model 37, Bleeding Edge Armor
Origin: Marvel Comics (link the verse)
Classification: Iron Man Armor
Wielders: Tony Stark
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Flight Information Analysis, Energy Projection and Absorption, Nanotechnolgy, Technology, Hacking, Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Magnetism Manipulation, Regeneration (High-Low, repairs minor depth damage in a few panels (citation: Iron Man Vol 5 #32) Forcefield and Weapon Creation, Homing Attack, Statistics Amplification, Status Effect Inducement, Non-Physical Interaction, Resistance to Petrification, Absolute Zero, Heat and Telepathy
Attack Potency: 7-C (As a direct evolution of Extremis, being called the next step (Iron Man Vol 5 #25) it should be around the same level of power, if not stronger)
Speed: At least Massively Hypersonic+ (Should be vastly faster than previous armors)
Durability: 7-C (Should be comparable to Extremis, easily protected Stark from a repulsor explosion and covered the blast in a forcefield (Iron Man Vol 5 #31)
Range: At least a few dozens of meters with range weapons, planetary through technology
Feats:
- Can somehow still function at absolute zero temperature
- Can resist Grey Gargoyle's petrification (Iron Man Vol 5 #505)
- Can withstand the temperature of the odinforge (Iron Man Vol 5)
Notable Attacks/Techniques:
As a direct technology step of Extremis it should be able to perfom all its abilities and more:
This for now, you might notice the lack of scans and citations for many of those additions, but it took me hours just making this amount of text while on phone, I didn't put everything.
- Multi-Directional Repulsors: Several repulsor rays fired at different angles
- Energy Conversion Power Recharge: The armor can absorb multiple sources of energy, such electric and electromagnetic to increase it's power.
- Nanotechnolgy: The Bleeding Edge is composed of neurokinetic user controller nanoparticles bundles, a fibrous of wetweb or iron and platinum (Iron Man Vol 5 #30). This morphology allows Stark to create many weapons such arm cannons (Same issue), and energy blades (Iron Man Vol 5 #505)
- Homing Lasers: Lasers from the palms that fork out in several beams that hit multiple enemies (Avengers Annual)
- Psychic Dampeners: Mean to block the mind reading from the likes of Xavier
I will constantly edits this comment with new things and remind you of the updates, okay?
I don't think we should have a full key, as I don't think it had very many feats. I think we should just say like "higher with Uru"Oh yea I also wanted to ask, are we having a key for the Uru add on?
Yea that's fine.I don't think we should have a full key, as I don't think it had very many feats. I think we should just say like "higher with Uru"
You should change the AP and durability sections to Town level instead of 7-C@Newendigo Finished. Your homing lasers link doesn't work btw.
Bleeding Edge also fights 5-As, as does the Model 42, so where’s the problem?And these are the problematic *******, your point?
“Forcefields”Why are you scaling his forcefields to his armor :v
It’s almost like downscaling is a thing or something.You forgot to mention the part where he gets his ass handed to him by Anti-Man multiple times, who is the main antagonist of this series and a comparable being to Brashear.
I wonder what is legit, chance hits or basic premise.
I literally never implied that this was the case? You’re aware that someone doesn’t have to be going for the kill for other people to scale to them, right?Yeah because Sentry is a bloodthirsty monster that will always go for the kill.
I never implied this either. You complained about me strawmanning earlier and now you’re doing exactly that. We have Hercules holding back/on Earth at 5-A.Holy shit Tracer, where do you get these monstrous characters who only think of ripping apart the skulls of their friends, and go max ******* strength every opportunity they get.
Zark. We literally have Green Hulk’s lower limit at 5-A, because of the revision that you made. Also Hulk had reason to actually try to take Tony down here.Yeah for that one single instance, Hulk just decided to go "y'know what? **** Banner"
Shall I grab several profiles that you’ve made/revised which take one page of someone harming someone/taking a hit from them as legit?In general it looks like Sentry is fuckstomping Stark but you're counting hits and not noting the overall fight, which is a REALLY BAD practice for Marvel scaling.
If they're doing this level of fighting then they shouldn't be scalingBleeding Edge also fights 5-As, as does the Model 42, so where’s the problem?
...Doom doesn't have repulsors to my knowledge, I think that's attributed to StarkIf you look at the text box directly beneath that, it says: “Repulsor energy levels 97 percent,” and you see Stark and Doom’s hands glowing because their attacks are clashing.
It's almost like you can downscale ******* anyone by this logic given the verse, too.It’s almost like downscaling is a thing or something.
Tracer... real quick, you DO realize, what 5-A meant in the revision, right? Unless you're overpowering them or matching them more than just random hits, you're not scaling to themI literally never implied that this was the case? You’re aware that someone doesn’t have to be going for the kill for other people to scale to them, right?
I never implied this either. You complained about me strawmanning earlier and now you’re doing exactly that. We have Hercules holding back/on Earth at 5-A.
Not enough of a reason to completely change your core moral beliefs, Hulk's been through worse in the past and still maintained
Please do, yeah. I never said I was infallible, sometimes I list characters kinda dumbly because I was tired for the day or just wanted the page done, and I don't believe I have updated my REALLY old pages at allShall I grab several profiles that you’ve made/revised which take one page of someone harming someone/taking a hit from them as legit?
So then there aren’t consistency issues with other armors, cool.If they're doing this level of fighting then they shouldn't be scaling
...Doom doesn't have repulsors to my knowledge
If it isn’t consistent, then no, you can’t.It's almost like you can downscale ******* anyone by this logic given the verse, too.
This isn't even the first time you've tried to force a scan by robbing the context
So... Stark and Doom.Tracer... real quick, you DO realize, what 5-A meant in the revision, right? Unless you're overpowering them or matching them more than just random hits, you're not scaling to them
And this puts him lower than 5-A… why? Hulk is actually enraged here, and we’ve used Hulk (when he’s nowhere near as angry) to support other characters’ 5-A ratings before (Namor and Proxima Midnight just for a couple of examples).Not enough of a reason to completely change your core moral beliefs, Hulk's been through worse in the past and still maintained
I’ll send you a list of them on Discord after I wake upPlease do, yeah. I never said I was infallible, sometimes I list characters kinda dumbly because I was tired for the day or just wanted the page done
Considering I haven't read them thoroughly yet, can't be too sureSo then there aren’t consistency issues with other armors, cool
I think you haven't read the editThere’s energy coming out of Doom’s hands, and it’s clashing evenly with the Extremis’ repulsors.
Your "consistency" right now is an arbitrary distinctionIf it isn’t consistent, then no, you can’t.
You're omitting context from your face value arguments to further your points.I literally gave you the comic that the scan is from if you think I’m leaving out context.
Yes, the singular feat, with repulsors, which as said before, deadass shouldn't scale to Stark's general output.So... Stark and Doom.
...Tracer Proxima and Namor also have other justifications too, dummiAnd this puts him lower than 5-A… why? Hulk is actually enraged here, and we’ve used Hulk (when he’s nowhere near as angry) to support other characters’ 5-A ratings before (Namor and Proxima Midnight just for a couple of examples)
Go for it, Tilm bothers me over it anyways :vI’ll send you a list of them on Discord after I wake up
I mean, that would just mean Extremis has ‘X physicals, up to 5-A with repulsors,’ right? That works fine imo, plus Stark’s force fields could dissipate an attack from Doom in Mighty Avengers #10.I think you haven't read the edit
It isn’t ever stated, shown or implied to be a Doombot, and you can see Doom’s flesh under the armor. Sentry also rips his mask off and he is captured by S.H.I.E.L.D. at the end of #11, so yeah…Also do you have a confirmation that's not a Doombot btw?
I know that dummi, I said we used Hulk to support other characters’ tiers....Tracer Proxima and Namor also have other justifications too, dummi
Not sure if Doc. Doom's own profile needs to be revised, but on his profile it says his Doombots are 5-A to 4-B...Also do you have a confirmation that's not a Doombot btw?
Actually a couple need to be, I've noted as far back as Model 16 can hit 5-A tier by repulsorsI mean, that would just mean Extremis has ‘X physicals, up to 5-A with repulsors,’ right? That works fine imo, plus Stark’s force fields could dissipate an attack from Doom in Mighty Avengers #10.
Doombots can emulate thatIt isn’t ever stated, shown or implied to be a Doombot, and you can see Doom’s flesh under the armor.
Ok so idk how familiar you are with Doom but that REALLY sounds like shit a Doombot goes throughSentry also rips his mask off and he is captured by S.H.I.E.L.D. at the end of #11, so yeah…
no ur dummi ùwúI know that dummi, I said we used Hulk to support other characters’ tiers.
Damn that's REALLY outdated, Doombots deadass can be as low as 8-CNot sure if Doc. Doom's own profile needs to be revised, but on his profile it says his Doombots are 5-A to 4-B...
edit: Just realized it said those ones are empowered by an artificial Power Cosmic, but yea his doombots alone are also 5-A
We do, Spider-Man isn't 5-AI still don't get why one lower end feat is enough to outweigh several higher end feats and scalings. Every character has bad showings, but we don't judge anyone else on that.
No.If we follow precedent on the verse, 5-A is the obvious correct choice.
Captain Marvel's file is outdated, to the point people don't even know how to distinguish the "Modern" keyFor example, Captain Marvel's entire Modern tier placement is based on her scalings to 5-A characters.
Irrelevant pointThe same is true for Namor, The Thing, Graviton, Doctor Doom, etc. None of these characters have destroyed a Large Planet, but they are Large Planet level via scaling to characters who have.
Namor has 80 years of back catalogue to fall back on, the Thing and Doctor Doom have 60, and Doom also is like, REALLY variable in tier. Graviton is an outdated file. How many years did Extremis have, 5? And it comes back with this level of shit? Model 50 did a 5-A feat ON ITS OWN in a sixthAnd all of them scale to Extremis Iron Man. So why is Extremis the only one who is lowballed to his worst showings?
Mkay, ig I’ll wait for that then.Actually a couple need to be, I've noted as far back as Model 16 can hit 5-A tier by repulsors
Tbh even if it is a Doombot, Sentry got bodied by its magic and Tony’s force fields blocked a blast that was both magical and plasma so ¯\(ツ)/¯Ok so idk how familiar you are with Doom but that REALLY sounds like shit a Doombot goes through
In general I think I may tweak Doom's scaling abit in a future thread, so likely don't use him for scaling right now if you can
Wasn’t Namor already ‘At least 5-A, possibly 4-B’ when I was trying to upgrade Ben?Hell Tracer himself can attest to the billions of times he has suggested to scale Thing and Namor to 4-B
Before being lowered to just 5-A, yeah :vWasn’t Namor already ‘At least 5-A, possibly 4-B’ when I was trying to upgrade Ben?
@Isaiah_ZaMangaka I updated it.The weird scaling thing should come out later, as I said a few post before.
@Isaiah_ZaMangaka hey dude, add the next things to my Bleeding Edge draft.
Summary
Model 37, known as the Bleeding Edge, this armor was created as Tony Stark essentially reinvented himself and the armor. Being called an upgrade to Extremis by Mr. Fantastic, Tony Stark corrected this comment by saying, "Nah - this is what comes next."
Powers and Stats
Tier: 7-C
Name: Iron Man Armor Model 37, Bleeding Edge Armor
Origin: Marvel Comics (link the verse)
Classification: Iron Man Armor
Wielders: Tony Stark
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Flight Information Analysis, Energy Projection and Absorption, Nanotechnolgy, Technology, Hacking, Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Magnetism Manipulation, Sound Manipulation, Explosion Manipulation, Light Manipulation, Regeneration (High-Mid, the armor can rebuild from full destroyed) Forcefield and Weapon Creation, Homing Attack, Statistics Amplification, Status Effect Inducement Non-Physical Interaction and likely many more. Resistance to Petrification, Absolute Zero, Heat and Telepathy
Attack Potency: Town level (As a direct evolution of Extremis, being called the next step (Iron Man Vol 5 #25) it should be around the same level of power, if not stronger)
Speed: At least Massively Hypersonic+ (Should be vastly faster than previous armors)
Durability: Town level (Should be comparable to Extremis, easily protected Stark from a repulsor explosion and covered the blast in a forcefield (Iron Man Vol 5 #31)
Range: At least a few dozens of meters with range weapons,
And energy absorption, planetary through technology
Feats:
Notable Attacks/Techniques:
- Makes a big shockwave by crashing to the ground (Iron Man Vol 5 #30)
- Easily destroys a large mech (Iron Man Vol 5 #500)
- Can somehow still function at absolute zero temperature
- Protects Tony from Grey Gargoyle's petrification (Iron Man Vol 5 #504)
- Can withstand the temperature of the odinforge (Iron Man Vol 5 #507)
- Survives being slammed by a 170 tons tower (AVX: VS #1)
- Smashed a metal door (Carnage Vol 1 #3)
As a direct technology step of Extremis it should be able to perfom all its abilities and more:
This for now, you might notice the lack of scans and citations for many of those additions, but it took me hours just making this amount of text while on phone, I didn't put everything.
- Sensor Array: Suit gives Stark a 360° vision (Iron Man Vol 5 #30) can analyze a numbers things such as biological features (Carnage Vol 1 #1), profiles, energy fluctations, particles, molecules, and other forms of data at high speed (Iron Man Vol 5)
- Multi-Directional Repulsors: Several repulsor rays fired at different angles
- Energy Conversion: The armor can absorb multiple sources of energy, such electric and electromagnetic (AVX: VS #1) to increase it's power.
- Energy Forcefield: The armor can deploy a large energy dome that can be used to protect itself and others, on top of trapping opponents.
- Nanotechnolgy: The Bleeding Edge is composed of neurokinetic user controller nanoparticles bundles, a fibrous of wetweb or iron and platinum (Iron Man Vol 5 #30). This morphology allows Stark to create many weapons such arm cannons (Same issue), energy blades (Iron Man Vol 5 #505) and boxing gloves (Iron Man Vol 5 #506)
- Homing Lasers: Lasers from the palms that fork out in several beams that hit multiple enemies.
- Localized Sonics: Soundwaves that can knock out a person or nearly kill them.
- Tasers: Can knockout many people at once (Iron Man Vol 5# 500) Microscopic telepathic versions shock people the more they think.
- Micromunition: Small explosives that levitate and can be guided.
- Solid Light Concussion: A blast of solid light to enforces distance (Carnage Vol 1 #2)
- Anti-Magnetic Arsenal: Fires a swarm of 2 million neodymium high-grade magnets to disorient beings like Magneto (AVX: VS #1)
- Psychic Dampeners: Mean to block the mind reading from the likes of Xavier.
I will constantly edits this comment with new things and remind you of the updates, okay?
7B actually the result is in the megatonsMarvel: Island explosion
vsbattles.fandom.com
7-C Model...16?
Low 7-B7B actually the result is in the megatons
No dummi, I meant the War Machine Model 4 òwóScaling an armor 12 models above it seems nonsensical :v
I don’t remember, but I’ll check.Didn’t he re-work the armor a bit in that issue?
You didn't say that dummi ÒwÓNo dummi, I meant the War Machine Model 4 òwó
If this does turn out to be the case it should get Mk.sDidn’t he re-work the armor a bit in that issue?
I seeI checked, and it doesn’t seem like he changed the armor. In fact, that issue and the next constantly say that the Model 16 is extremely low-tech compared to the other armors of the time.