In what ways can a TES Character with Prisoner Metaphysics be defeated in a non-stomp match?

[SheevShezarrine]

Title sums it up. Prisoner Metaphysics in the context of VS matches basically guarantee that they open with a wincon, so in what ways can a character of the same or similar tier (or the hax to make AP more or less moot) with comparable or equalized speed match them? What abilities would be required?

 

[SheevShezarrine]

@Matthew_Schroeder

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

Regular members can't tag others, you should probably ask him on his message wall

 

[Shmooply]

Just pit them up against a character that has some form of acausality.

 

[Lapsad]

Just pit them up against a character that has some form of acausality.

How that help ?.

 

[KongKing23]

Daedric Princes-tier type.

 

[FinePoint]

To be honest, I don't think there is a way.
Either they have a wincon and always lead with it, or they don't and it's a stomp.
That's sort of the nature of the ability.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

Shouldn't Morgoth's fight with Dova be removed if that's the case

 

[FinePoint]

Shouldn't Morgoth's fight with Dova be removed if that's the case

I have no idea, I'd have to read the reasoning.

 

[FinePoint]

In the battle on his profile, they literally admit it's a stomp, so I don't know why it was added in the first place.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

I have no idea, I'd have to read the reasoning.

Morgoth's wincon was death manip IIRC, but, I don't think he could realistically pull it off before Dovah thinks and pulls out a billion smurfy moves

 

[FinePoint]

Morgoth's wincon was death manip IIRC, but, I don't think he could realistically pull it off before Dovah thinks and pulls out a billion smurfy moves

Well the problem is that technically there only needs to be the possibility that Dovah could, and then it's guaranteed, and thus a stomp in his favor.

 

[SheevShezarrine]

So there should probably be some sort of ban on TES Prisoners in VS matches cuz they just sorta can't have a balanced matchup by their nature?

 

[FinePoint]

I'm not sure where we'd place a ban that it'd be both visible and not strangely specific.
It's an issue that solves itself so long as everyone is following the rules, since it'll always be a stomp.

 

[Imaginym]

Funnily enough, doesn't that technically mean that TES Prisoners can't win Versus Threads, at least, technically?

Since they always stomp or lose, by our rules, they can't have wins, at least, not the sort that can be officially recorded on their profiles.

 

[Lapsad]

Funnily enough, doesn't that technically mean that TES Prisoners can't win Versus Threads, at least, technically?

Since they always stomp or lose, by our rules, they can't have wins, at least, not the sort that can be officially recorded on their profiles.

I'm agree with this

 

[Naito-desu]

I agree with this

 

[FinePoint]

Bump.

 

[FinePoint]

Bump.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I want to know the conclusion to this, so bump.