Ichiban Ushiro no Daimaou CRT

[Siperri123]

Where will those people be in these hierarchy levels?.

 

[Siperri123]

I asked sera, so my fault

 

[Siperri123]

I asked sera in this topic. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3549291?useskin=oasis#485

 

[Maxnumb231]

cant justify?, a archetype containing a hierarchy of 1-A characters inside has other 1-A characters and the people inside are nothing but a dream / fiction for the people above, all that This, is nothing more than a story created by a archetype.
Then, there is an endless spectrum of such stories (the afterlife is just one of the stories of this spectrum), akuto and the archetypes beyond this spectrum.

Tloi's world then goes beyond the endless hierarchy of archetypes (only the archetype Akuto and Brave become residents of this world) and the embodiment of the law of identity goes beyond all levels of the stories and also the origin of the stories.


the residents in the anti-universe and Tloi go beyond all of this.

this doesnt justify how archetypes are higher than said high 1-A beings when they're stil within the same hierarchy and not neccessarily beyond those said hierarchies. this just proves they're just 1-A+ by all means

 

[Siperri123]

they are not in the same hierarchy, only when compared to higher archetypes do they share the same hierarchy but are much larger than the spectrum of stories.

I see you are wrongly defining the meaning of the same hierarchy.

 

[Siperri123]

For example, CM verse that you often mention, vacua is a hierarchy of 1-A, gates is a different hierarchy bigger than vacua, the world of outer gods has hierarchy larger than the gates.


while each story in the spectrum of stories has its own hierarchies.

 

[DontTalkDT]

TLOI is way above those two, making her 0.

Is being above a High 1-A alone enough for Tier 0?

 

[Siperri123]

That depends on how High 1-A works in the new system.

 

[Siperri123]

@ultima Yeah, so long as they are actually external to it, as opposed to being transcendent in the sense of being "at the top", but still part of the overall hierarchy, if you get what I mean. It's not actually any different from the way High 1-B and 1-A interact, really, it's just on a larger scale.

if this is High 1-A, any archetype goes beyond High 1-A.

@donttalk If a character is intended to be above any kind of hierarchy is that High 1-A

If this is High 1-A, then the new law of identity and creatures in anti-universe will be High 1-A.

 

[Ionliosite]

So we went from wanking Computer Gods to 1-A to wanking Archetypes to High 1-A... Sigh, this CRT will never end.

 

[Siperri123]

So we went from wanking Computer Gods to 1-A to wanking Archetypes to High 1-A... Sigh, this CRT will never end.

Ultima also says that overvoid, anu, padomay, the leviathan will be High 1-A in the new system.

 

[Antvasima]

I personally disagree with The Overvoid though, and Ultima seems uncertain in either direction.

 

[Ionliosite]

Ultima also says that overvoid, anu, padomay, the leviathan will be High 1-A in the new system.

And that has nothing to do with Daimaou...

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, we should not discuss that here. Sorry.

 

[Siperri123]

So look at their profile and why they will High 1-A?, while the High 1-A archetype is wank.


The problem we are having here is the decentralization of the new system.

 

[Ionliosite]

Anu and Padomay were explained on the thread, TL sounds perfectly High 1-A.

The problem with the Archetypes is that they are stil trapped within TLOI's story, just like Akuto, that's why none of them counts as High 1-A.

 

[Siperri123]

but what about overvoid and leviathan ?.

 

[Ionliosite]

I know nothing of Leviathan, but the profile sounds like basis the of High 1-A. Overvoid depends on how high Yahweh and Lucifer are.

 

[Siperri123]

I will no longer participate in this topic, the hierarchy I have written above.

 

[Maxnumb231]

For example, CM verse that you often mention, vacua is a hierarchy of 1-A, gates is a different hierarchy bigger than vacua, the world of outer gods has hierarchy larger than the gates.

while each story in the spectrum of stories has its own hierarchies.

Yes because what makes outer gods high 1-A is them being above the vacua>gates>ultimate gate>lastly ultimate void. archetypes has no requirement to be high 1-A when the description itself shows how they are 1-A+ as we on discord already told Ion that after life akuto is 1-A+.

 

[Siperri123]

I will say it one last time. from the great network to the unicellular creature <the infinite hierarchy of fictional layers <a story <the base layer in the infinite hierarchy of a story higher than the <spectrum of stories <endless hierarchy of archetypes

 

[Maxnumb231]

I will say it one last time.
from the great network to the unicellular creature <the infinite hierarchy of fictional layers <a story <the base layer in the infinite hierarchy of a story higher than the <spectrum of stories <endless hierarchy of archetypes

this is not a proof of high 1-A at all this is just legitamate showing me that these scaling chain are just h igher 1-A+, i hope u realize just being beyond the previous doesnt mean its high 1-A

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I didn't see any 1-A+

But I am fine with Tier 0 for Law of Identity.

 

[Ionliosite]

I'm glad you came here, Matt. There's something I've been wanting to ask you: since there isn't an infinite OH (you should know what this stands for), then what tier would an storyteller such as Akuto be?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

A really high 1-A (Not High 1-A).

Honestly I don't like 1-A+ as there are like next to 0 characters with the rating.

 

[DontTalkDT]

(Finally sat down and read the old posts here)

I think in the current draft there isn't a 1-A+ tier, no?

In that case 1-A for afterlife Akuto, High 1-A for NLOI Brave and Void Body Akuto (Personally I would still be in favour to add a "likely" here, but I won't debate much about that) would be ok for everyone? Or is there still arguing about their placing that I missed?

And for High 1-A or 0 TLOI I guess we will need to clarify what in practice is the criteria for that will be first. Personally I'm fine with either.

Archetypes and Computer Gods are things I would debate later, unless it's relevant for Akuto or TLOI. We don't even have profiles for these two categories of beings yet (and given that they are barely characters I'm not really bothered by that fact either).

 

[GLHF22]

i have read the blog but i dont see scan thats makes each storyteller 1-A, may i see it? probably i miss it.

 

[Obscenly]

Akuto that boi

 

[Eganergo]

Bumpy?

 

[Ionliosite]

Now that the tiering system revision, I'll get to this.

In that case 1-A for afterlife Akuto, High 1-A for NLOI Brave and Void Body Akuto (Personally I would still be in favour to add a "likely" here, but I won't debate much about that) would be ok for everyone? Or is there still arguing about their placing that I missed?

And for High 1-A or 0 TLOI I guess we will need to clarify what in practice is the criteria for that will be first. Personally I'm fine with either.

Archetypes and Computer Gods are things I would debate later, unless it's relevant for Akuto or TLOI. We don't even have profiles for these two categories of beings yet (and given that they are barely characters I'm not really bothered by that fact either).

Computer Gods = Either Unknown or some Universal tier

Storytellers (normal, Archetypes and Akuto) = 1-A

Void Body and NLOI Hiroshi = High 1-A

TLOI = 0

Can we agree with this? It's pretty clear at this point this will be their rating.

 

[Maxnumb231]

agreed to this idea

 

[GLHF22]

i have read the blog but i dont see scan thats makes each storyteller 1-A, may i see it? probably i miss it.

^

 

[Antvasima]

I am personally fine with those ratings, yes.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I'm fine too.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Can we agree with this? It's pretty clear at this point this will be their rating.

Sure, at least for the ones that matter right now.

Now we just need a proper explanation text.

 

[Obscenly]

Lets make Akuto Sai High 1-A

 

[Obscenly]

someone get calcs for it

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I'm not sure the Void Body can be called Akuto tho

 

[Siperri123]

It is called eternal thought entities.

 

[Ionliosite]

@Matthew it'll better if you write the 1-A justifkcation for their profiles, the rest can worked out from that.