I attempt to tear the wiki asunder except i'm just stealing some guys meme and this has spiralled radically out of control please help

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

I have to agree with Weekly on this. Infinite higher dimensions seems like the clear implication here.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

I agree with Matt here. You guys are way too fast on this. At least wait for three or four stories that actually showcases this. Is like trying to upgrade a whole verse with just one single solitary statement. While in this particular case is cut-and-dry, is it really any consistent? That's my opinion on this.

SCP-2722 has an approval rating of +339, it;s a relatively major SCP in all honesty.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Except it is flat out stated to be infinite, geometric dimensions.
there is an infinite number of dimensions in the unobservable universe

They suddenly mention 196,884 observable dimensions, and then shift to a single, infinitely-large dimension? That doesn't make sense.

>Infinite dimensions in the unobservable universe.

I didn't know that one universe could actually be a multiverse. The stuff we learn.

 

[Kepekley23]

Yes there is arguing, I just did. You can argue if it refers to infinite spatial dimensions and furthermore you can argue the validity of the statement, which is incredibly vague and shaky, just a note which is the theory of some guy in-universe, with no concrete proof of it's reality as the character is making claims he himself admits are unprovable and unfalsefiable.

First of all, it wasn't that character who wrote the Local Inscription. The Local Inscriptions of SCP-2722's log is meant to be the words of the previous holders of SCP-2722, millions and millions of years before the Foundation.

Second, no, it is flat-out infinite geometric dimensions.

Notes: The most notable difference between point of views comes when the spatial dimensions of geometry are brought up and analyzed in-depth. While mainstream science widely accepts the existence of at least four dimensions, the library supports and lists evidence of the existence of at least 196,884 observable dimensions; that is, the number of dimensions that can be safely cataloged. However, the number of dimensions that form the entire space-time are stated to be layered in sets of countable infinities; that is, there is an infinite number of dimensions in the unobservable universe; said infinities are themselves layered in countable sets. The number of layers is said to be unknown.

This is not up for discussion. What is up to discussion is the validity; and even that is hardly contestable.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It's still just one statement on one note of one story. That is not remotely enough proof to upgrade an entire Verse to High 1-B.

You people seem to just rush to upgrades and try to squeeze SCP into new heights regardless of the demanded standards for it.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Julian... Get me some of that popcorn !

At this point it's gonna be good to sit back , relax and enjoy a healthy dose of spectating a heated debate.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Also, even if it is infinite higher spatial dimensions, there is 0 proof that this is true instead of just speculation.

 

[Kepekley23]

The problem is, the Content Mods agree with it, and they decide what flies and what doesn't on there. Thus it's canon.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

>Point


>Your head

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the fact that there is absolute zero, concrete, verifiable, evidence and proof that this speculation is true.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

...[ Almost laughed ] What demanded standards ?

 

[SITHISIT]

i must say i learned a lot about the qualifications for 1-A with this one thing...


iTS alMOST sUspICIOUS

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

They only say there's evidence for the 196,884 observable dimensions. The rest seems like speculation.

 

[Kepekley23]

You mentioned it being "just one statement, in one story". You were not talking about that specifically, but it was part of your point - somewhat.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

@Hl3

I'm not arguing that. I'm saying we should wait for this to be actually implemented in stories.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Also, even if it is infinite higher spatial dimensions, there is 0 proof that this is true instead of just speculation.

Its information from the Library itself, that info is more credible than basically anything on the entire site

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

@WB

Why? It's just an in-universe scientific theory. Doesn't matter if it comes from aliens.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

They only say there's evidence for the 196,884 observable dimensions. The rest seems like speculation.

Exactly. The rest is pure speculation even for the Library itself.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

The 196,884 observable dimensions is only 1-B. Granted, it's still a lot higher end 1-B, but still 1-B nonetheless.

However if the Library itself states there's infinite geometrical dimensions, I'm certain it's a lot more straightforward.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

...[ Almost laughed ] What demanded standards ?

1) Evidence

2) Consistency

3) Statements which aren't vague and can't be interpreted in multiple ways

4) Multiple instances of it being a thing.

 

[SITHISIT]

They only say there's evidence for the 196,884 observable dimensions. The rest seems like speculation.

that's just the number that can be safely cataloged.

 

[Sera_EX]

Dimensional size has nothing to do with whether something is a universe or multiverse.

There can be a 5-D universe. Said universe would encompass the same level of physics as an ordinary 5-D multiverse (a collection of 4-D universes). Just to clarify that.

Also, if something says infinite dimensions and they're not referring to universes or mere layers, than it's High 1-B.

 

[Kepekley23]

It isn't speculation.

"However, the number of dimensions that form the entire space-time"

If this was speculation, they'd have said "that allegedly" or "that supposedly"

Basically, the number of dimensions in the OBSERVABLE space-time is 196,884.

The number of dimensions that form ALL of the space-time are infinite, and stacked atop even more countable infinities.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@WB

Why? It's just an in-universe scientific theory. Doesn't matter if it comes from aliens.

Its not just a theory, the Library is quitw literally the hub of all knowledge that does and doesnt exist in the scpverse. Info from the Library doesn't come from aliens, it comes from eldrich beings on the level that is being described. There is no reason to believe that this isn't credible information.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

There are a lot of people for this... Only a few agaisnt this. I beleive Azzy will be the tie breaker though... No debating.

 

[SITHISIT]

alright if the Library agrees with this shit that is a clear and bold statement that this is fact.


alright we can start the revision process now


(of course im joking i know there's more to be done first)

 

[Sera_EX]

By the way, the definition of 1-A is being transcedent in relation to all concepts of physics (space, time, higher/lower dimensions, etc.)

You can't be 1-A by stacking stuff on top of High 1-B, like Matt said.

 

[Js250476]

Once Azzy wakes up this thread will vanish how fitting

 

[Kepekley23]

Matt, you do know that a scientific theory is a theory that has resisted ALL attempts to debunk it, right? In other words, they are theories that are considered FACTS - until proven otherwise.

So the burden of proof is on you.

 

[Kyle_Ramos]

Happy Ending Superman.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

By the way, the definition of 1-A is being transcedent in relation to all concepts of physics (space, time, higher/lower dimensions, etc.)

You can't be 1-A by stacking stuff on top of High 1-B, like Matt said.

I would actually like to talk to you about this at some point, i have a few questions if you dont mind

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

By the way, the definition of 1-A is being transcedent in relation to all concepts of physics (space, time, higher/lower dimensions, etc.)
You can't be 1-A by stacking stuff on top of High 1-B, like Matt said.

i have to admit that he is perfectly correct about that.

 

[Sera_EX]

Matt, you do know that a scientific theory is a theory that has resisted ALL attempts to debunk it, right? In other words, they are theories that are considered FACTS - until proven otherwise.

So the burden of proof is on you.

Does not apply to fiction.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Its not just a theory, the Library is quitw literally the hub of all knowledge that does and doesnt exist in the scpverse. Info from the Library doesn't come from aliens, it comes from eldrich beings on the level that is being described. There is no reason to believe that this isn't credible information.

I'd like to point that SCP-2722's Library is not the Library of Knowledge, as in, the place at the center of the multiverse containing infinite knowledge of all there is and is not

It is just a library pertaining to the "Kunskapen" race

 

[SITHISIT]

and what proof is there that this doesn't apply to the SCPVerse?

 

[Why_are_all_the_good_usernames_taken?_rs]

Dot

 

[HST_Master]

Huh.....

 

[Kepekley23]

Just summing this up, but the fact that this is considered true in-verse means the burden of proof isn't on who believes this.

It's on who doesn't.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Its not just a theory, the Library is quitw literally the hub of all knowledge that does and doesnt exist in the scpverse. Info from the Library doesn't come from aliens, it comes from eldrich beings on the level that is being described. There is no reason to believe that this isn't credible information.

The other person was talking that it wasn't the library but something which the library was a part of.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

If it's considered as a fact in verse then I'm pretty sure we can rely on that.

 

[Kepekley23]

Also, can anyone tell me how they'd know there was a certain number of layers of countable infinities atop the previous layer if this wasn't something they could know with facts?

You are focusing too much on one of the layers.