Hitman Reborn Pages Overhaul

[Antvasima]

@Elizhaa @CrimsonStarFallen @Theglassman12

Would you also be willing to help here?

 

[Majinere566]

Would it be okay to update the OP and add new tabbers suggestions for like 2 or 3 new characters?

 

[Dereck03]

If they are not sure that a solid rating should be guaranteed here, then I'm fine with the likely rating.

 

[Antvasima]

Would it be okay to update the OP and add new tabbers suggestions for like 2 or 3 new characters?

What do you mean?

If they are not sure that a solid rating should be guaranteed here, then I'm fine with the likely rating.

Thank you for the reply.

 

[Majinere566]

What do you mean?

I was planning on making a continuation for this thread, but due to not many mods not answering this one, I was thinking about just doing it here and finishing it

 

[Antvasima]

It seems better to continue after we have finished with the main parts.

 

[Majinere566]

I think all that's left is to apply the likely to byakuran, btw if byakuran gets a likely can other characters scale to his likely 5-B Key?

 

[ObberGobb]

Since Tsuna beat him, he definitely would. But no one else should get it in my opinion. The Guardians should just get a "possibly/likely far higher"

 

[Majinere566]

Since Tsuna beat him, he definitely would. But no one else should get it in my opinion. The Guardians should just get a "possibly/likely far higher"

Tsuna and Day 1 Enma imo

 

[ObberGobb]

Oh yeah, good point. I forgot Enma had that key.

 

[Antvasima]

@Elizhaa @CrimsonStarFallen @Theglassman12

We would still appreciate some confirmations here.

 

[Majinere566]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

It seems like the knowledgeable staff members that I called for earlier are unwilling to help out here, so it is unfortunately hard for us to get anywhere here.

 

[Majinere566]

Bump

It seems like the knowledgeable staff members that I called for earlier are unwilling to help out here, so it is unfortunately hard for us to get anywhere here.

Yeah unfortunately

 

[Majinere566]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

If somebody writes a single post that contains easy to understand, but sufficiently thorough, explanations for everything that needs to be evaluated here, I can ask for staff help again afterwards.

 

[Majinere566]

I will soon, currently in class

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[Majinere566]

Summary of thread:

1. Most of the verses pages are outdated and use outdated terminologies for intelligence and Stamina, the proposal is to update them to fit with the current guidelines.

2. Some characters don't have tabbers for new forms(for this thread it would be Tsuna and Hibari), so the proposal is to create tabbers for their forms

3. Planet level Byakuran via his statement of being able to destroy Ghost's World which is a parallel Earth, do not think all the arguments would fit in this summary so please go through the thread.

4. Replacing Hibari's 5-A Justifications with a much more reasonable explanation.

5. Changing Tsuna's tiering from this

5-A, higher with XX-Burner | 5-A | At least 5-A, higher with XX-Burner | At least 5-A, likely higher | 5-A

To this

5-A, higher with VG Cambio Forma even higher with XX-Burner | At least 5-A with Oath Flames| 5-A with Ultimate Dying Will

 

[Majinere566]

Minor bump

 

[Tired_Author_21]

A "Just in case" Bump


EDIT: KHR is still pog

 

[Majinere566]

If somebody writes a single post that contains easy to understand, but sufficiently thorough, explanations for everything that needs to be evaluated here, I can ask for staff help again afterwards.

Summary of thread:

1. Most of the verses pages are outdated and use outdated terminologies for intelligence and Stamina, the proposal is to update them to fit with the current guidelines.

2. Some characters don't have tabbers for new forms(for this thread it would be Tsuna and Hibari), so the proposal is to create tabbers for their forms

3. Planet level Byakuran via his statement of being able to destroy Ghost's World which is a parallel Earth, do not think all the arguments would fit in this summary so please go through the thread.

4. Replacing Hibari's 5-A Justifications with a much more reasonable explanation.

5. Changing Tsuna's tiering from this





To this

 

[Antvasima]

@Elizhaa @CrimsonStarFallen @Theglassman12 @JustSomeWeirdo @Crabwhale @DarkGrath @DemonGodMitchAubin @Everything12 @Duedate8898

Would any of you be willing to help evaluate the following post please?

https://vsbattles.com/threads/hitman-reborn-pages-overhaul.140645/post-5135375

 

[Elizhaa]

Likely 5-B seems fine. The rest seems fine

 

[Majinere566]

Thank you

 

[Majinere566]

@Elizhaa @CrimsonStarFallen @Theglassman12 @JustSomeWeirdo @Crabwhale @DarkGrath @DemonGodMitchAubin @Everything12 @Duedate8898

Would any of you be willing to help evaluate the following post please?

https://vsbattles.com/threads/hitman-reborn-pages-overhaul.140645/post-5135375

Likely 5-B seems fine. The rest seems fine

Hey ant, we got the greenlight

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, this is probably fine to apply then.

 

[Nierre]

goodjob guys

 

[Majinere566]

Okay let's rehash the new scaling for the 5-B stuff

The Scaling Chain would come from this old thread but would be adjusted accordingly

Byakuran: 59.44 Zettatons

Byakuran only uses 10% of the ghost absorbed flames so that would make him 594.4 Zettatons at full power (5-B)

Tsuna with Original Vongola Ring has 1.6x multiplier as he overpowered 80% Byakuran while using only 50% of power

Since Tsuna with Original Vongola Ring is able to fight against Byakuran using 100% of his power while Tsuna himself is presumably still using half his power he'd be at least 594.4 zettatons

And at full power would be 1.188 Yottatons (5-B)


Enma Casually overpowers Tsuna with Original Vongola Ring while having 1/7th of his powers so he should have an at least rating 5-B rating

What do you think?

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[Majinere566]

Applied the likely to his page

All that is left is for someone to check the rehashed scaling

 

[XDragnoir]

Byakuran only uses 10% of the ghost absorbed flames so that would make him 594.4 Zettatons at full power (5-B)

Sorry, what?

No, he only used 10% to overpower Tsuna's X Burner but Tsuna doesn't scale to 5B before OVR so this is irrelevant

 

[Majinere566]

Sorry, what?

No, he only used 10% to overpower Tsuna's X Burner but Tsuna doesn't scale to 5B before OVR so this is irrelevant

Tsuna before OVR doesn't scale to this,

This is just getting Byakuran's full power which is 10× baseline 5-b

 

[YukaSama4]

This is just getting Byakuran's full power which is 10× baseline 5-b

You can't prove that he only used 10% to destroy the world

 

[Majinere566]

You can't prove that he only used 10% to destroy the world

No you're not getting it

He gains Ghost's power after absorbing it to fight Tsuna. He never did this prior to the final fight.

So he's 5-B in base and only uses 10% of Ghost's absorbed flames until tsuna unlocks OVR

 

[Tired_Author_21]

He's saying that after absorbing Ghost's power he only requires 10% of his total power to destroy the world. This is because 90% of his power is newly acquired from absorbing Ghost and at 100% previously he could destroy the world. This means that ninety percent of his newly acquired power is beyond his previous 100% and his previous 100% is now only his 10%.

 

[XDragnoir]

Tsuna before OVR doesn't scale to this,

Yes, that's why the multiplier you're trying to apply doesn't work anymore

This is just getting Byakuran's full power which is 10× baseline 5-b

He's saying that after absorbing Ghost's power he only requires 10% of his total power to destroy the world.

It isn't, we don't know how many times stronger Byakuran got after absorbing Ghost and you can't assume these 10% would be enough to destroy the world, that's not how this works.

This is because 90% of his power is newly acquired from absorbing Ghost and at 100% previously he could destroy the world. This means that ninety percent of his newly acquired power is beyond his previous 100% and his previous 100% is now only his 10%.

That's wrong, Byakuran says something like "i am only using 10%" he never says "these 10% are equal my previous full power" which is what you two are assuming to be the case

 

[Majinere566]

It isn't, we don't know how many times stronger Byakuran got after absorbing Ghost and you can't assume these 10% would be enough to destroy the world, that's not how this works.

Hence why he has a "Higher" on his profile after absorbing Ghost's flames. And he then proceeds to use only a tenth of Ghost's absorbed flame against Tsuna.

If anything it's Pre Ghost Absorbed Byakuran that has the 5-B feat and Ghost Absorbed flames just makes him stronger. Ghost Absorbed Flames Byakuran > Pre Ghost Absorbed Byakuran = Likely 5-B

What you're saying is that I am assuming that he used 10% to destroy the world but what I'm trying to say is that he got stronger than his previous form, and only uses 10% of the newly acquired Ghost absorbed flames

 

[XDragnoir]

What you're saying is that I am assuming that he used 10% to destroy the world but what I'm trying to say is that he got stronger than his previous form, and only uses 10% of the newly acquired Ghost absorbed flames

Yes, but these 10% aren't baseline 5B like you were trying to do so he isn't 594 Zettatons at 100%

 

[YukaSama4]

Yeah I agree with Dragon

 

[Majinere566]

I don't

Why wouldn't a 10% usage of a 100% amp that already exceeds his base not be at least 5-B?

Even If he only received a percent increase he will still be stronger than base Byakuran who's 5-B.

Base Byakuran is 0% of Ghost Absorbed Flames, as he attributes nothing to said amp because Ghost Absorbed the flames of the opposition


While he uses 10% of ghost absorbed flames which is greater than attributing nothing.

It's not like he said he's using 10% of his original power or anything, he explicitly mentions the use of flames that Ghost Absorbed

Last time I checked 10%>0%