Again, mount Fuji is considered a very beautiful and iconic mountain despite being a volcano.
Alright, good, then please provide the proof that supports the eruption having a speed of 25145.3m/s, so double the escape velocity of earth, and the justification as to why it wasn't shown or mentioned the absurdly impressive event of the lava reaching space, I'm all ears.
You are literally comparing Mount Fuji, a dormant volcano to random mountains. I genuinely don’t know why you’re stressing this entire point because I decided to use what is said in the manga to leeway to my actual point.
I verbatim said that it should be recalculated for better accuracy. I only said that it should not be limited to natural phenomenons because “the strongest volcanic eruption was _ strong or _ fast”. Or unless you want to tell the average mountains contains lava ready for eruptions at any given time?
Well, like I stated, contextually, it checks out. Do people need to show another tier 7 feat afterward for a feat to be valid? Why can't a feat be valid by itself? When people say "outlier," they think of a bunch of data points with one sticking way out. But what we are talking about here is linear progression. They gradually grow stronger and stronger and when graphed, this would be the highest and most current feat. That isn't an outlier, that graph would show exponential growth. I also think black holes are a case-by-case thing. Attacks named "Black Hole Attack" or "Hole that is Black" and they're just some weird sphere being thrown at an opponent, I'd chalk that up to a name fallacy, but when they take the time to go through and explain how a black hole is made and show it happen, well that's clear what the author is trying to depict and convey.
Because you are trying to use that as an argument to defend a calc that assumes that lava was ejected at 25145.3m/s, so 2x faster than escape velocity and far faster than any other volcano calc in the wiki as far I could find. But alright, you are arguing that it looks like a mountain range so I'm going to change my example to, say the Hakkōda Mountains, which are collectively considered among the 100 most famous Japanese mountains so chances are the author is aware that volcanoes can exist in close groups, unlike you who seems to assume that they can only be stand-alone mountains instead of volcanic groups. Also, in case you didn't know, through volcanic eruptions tons of rock are also ejected, so the bits of rock you marked don't mean what you argue they do. Your argument has honestly zero strength, and is a baseless claim to try to justify a ridiculously wrong calc through the use of faulty logic.
But it's not really linear progression. We are explicitly told that Enma only becomes 7x stronger, not quadrillions of times stronger. And then immediately after this incredibly vague and indirectly "Tier 5" feat, nothing is ever shown or implied to be near that level again.Well, like I stated, contextually, it checks out. Do people need to show another tier 7 feat afterward for a feat to be valid? Why can't a feat be valid by itself? When people say "outlier," they think of a bunch of data points with one sticking way out. But what we are talking about here is linear progression. They gradually grow stronger and stronger and when graphed, this would be the highest and most current feat. That isn't an outlier, that graph would show exponential growth. I also think black holes are a case-by-case thing. Attacks named "Black Hole Attack" or "Hole that is Black" and they're just some weird sphere being thrown at an opponent, I'd chalk that up to a name fallacy, but when they take the time to go through and explain how a black hole is made and show it happen, well that's clear what the author is trying to depict and convey.
This is what people think of when an outlier is called. The difference is, where the outlier occurred, the progression afterward shows another pattern. In this case, There isn't any linear progression afterwards to call it an outlier. Its called growth in this instance.
Man.
1. I never explictiy defended the calculation's entirety. As I already Bolded, I stated from the get go that IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE RECALCED.
2. I never once asserted that they can only be stand-alone mountains let alone Volcanic Groups stop strawmaning my point. According to the wikipedia you linked the hakkoda mountain ranges are classified as a Stratovolcanoes which according to Brittania have craters at the vent. And as far as i am concerned I don't see any form of crater at the top of the mountains provided.
I never claimed for it to be a linear progression. I don’t think a single verse that has 400+ chapters or equal amount of content has linear progression throughout the series. That’s also why you can’t pin this on an outlier. At this point of the series, we are made aware that the vongola had undergone massive growth. This fits. I don’t know why Enma’s 7x multiplier matters because we never really even got to grasp his full strength before this fight. That multiplier could be 100x or it could be 2x. The fact of the matter is we never had a basis for how strong he was before his power up so using that to try to say he shouldn’t be this powerful is illogical. Thats cool if there’s nothing like this shown again. That doesn’t mean that it’s incorrect. There isn’t anything to really contradict it afterwards too. Like I said, I never really understood why multiple feats of the same caliber have to be shown for a feat to be valid. Why can’t a feat be shown and if nothing contradicts it, nothing contradicts it. The guidelines themselves are pretty shabby for outliers if I’m being honest. 1. It is a big jump in power. 2. It’s not really a unique event as Enma makes his spheres multiple times. While he didn’t really do it in the arc afterwards, it’s also to be considered that Enma has minimal screen time afterwards as well. 3. Contextually, it checks out. The series narratively undergoes the biggest general power upgrade. 4. This doesn’t break any established things. We never got a ceiling to how powerful a flame user can be. 5. Again, narratively it was never established a ceiling for flame users. Using proper reasoning, I don’t see how this is an outlier when your basis for it is that it was never seen again in the arc afterwards when Enma had minimal usage in the plot.
Yeah things a meter wide can blow up a planet in fiction. When did size determine the abilities of something in fiction? By that logic, a ki blast from dragon ball can’t blow up the moon. But like you established earlier, AP=/=DC. They just enough energy to destroy a certain quantity but not the magnitude to do so. Pretty standard versus battle things here.
My biggest problem with it is the assumption of the size of the sun. They assumed the gravity of the sun was equal to the one in our solar system. It looks like they use the gravitational force formula but that can’t be applied in this case, at least with how it’s used as it is based upon naturally occurring stars. That’s why the numbers don’t really line up. They assume the gravitational force of the solar system’s sun but also get that the mass of the spheres is like 1x10^14 off from what the actual mass is. This is because the formula is used incorrectly. The formula they used is the gravitational acceleration formula. But they assumed that the center point of the sphere and the very edge of the sphere are the two points. That’s not how you use the formula or what the formula is used for. It’s to determine how fast an object falls towards another object. When you assume the two points to be on the same body, the formula itself becomes misused which gets you grossly wrong numbers like being 1x10^14 off.
I personally don’t think reborn would say a simile. I don’t think he would in this case but I do agree about getting raws. Do you know of any translators and/or where the raws would be located?
The usage of the word "like" indicates to me it may be a simile. And honestly in general I'm extremely wary about taking any statement like this at face value.
Well first of all, that’s not how similes work. Just because it uses the word like doesn’t mean they’re using it as a figure of speech or at least how you’re perceiving it. A simile is “My smile is as bright as the sun.” My smile literally doesn’t radiate brightness like a sun does. It uses two concepts that are akin to each other to convey the idea that my smile is radiant. But in a different sense than radiant like the sun. When saying gravity like that of a star, that’s a simile, yes, but it’s not to be compared in a more esoteric way like my example above. It is a more direct comparison. I think you’re perceiving the simile to be more of an exaggeration than an actual simile. But I don’t think reborn exaggerates. He’s pretty literal throughout the series. So I don’t think we can really dismiss his claims on the basis that it’s a simile.
We never assume characters who scale to BH can blow up planets so the authors intent is irrelevant for the most part. I think feats like it though should primarily be given to the one who does it, especially if its through some special ability.
Should we be scaling to the Big Bang if thats what they say is needed to destroy it?
So right now the only remaining valid calc (in my opinion) is High 7-C from the Future Arc. Another, earlier, High 7-C calc has been proposed, but I very strongly oppose it. There is also a potential feat later in the Future Arc that, when calced, will probably be higher than High 7-C. If using my multipliers with the current calc, then Tsuna will end the series at 6.8 gigatons.
No, I don't think so. That would be even bigger of an outlier imo. Like all we have for cosmic level scaling is vague statements, there isn't any feat at all that suggests characters on that level.
That does sound incredibly inconsistent for a feat.
Does anyone do something to get that big bang level of power?
No. Basically, what happens is that Enma creates "black holes." Reborn says that Tsuna will need the power of the Big Bang to destroy them, but the translations on this statement are also inconsistent. And even if the translation was 100% literal I still would strongly oppose it, since would really just be hyperbole and outlier regardless. Like we see Tsuna do the XX-Burner attack again, and all it did was shake the island.
I’m in favor of keeping
I’m pretty sure this was already discussed and Rae’s were found and reborn did say Big Bang. I can’t find the forum though.
Would you be ok with me marking you as agree for all four proposals?
Everything has its own gravity. He is saying it’s that of a star. It wouldn’t make sense for him to bring up the star comparison by saying it has its own gravity. Technically everything with mass has its own gravity. It would serve no point for him to add like a star unless the spheres had the gravity of a star. You’re clinging on to “he said like” to try to discredit this feat when you’re competing ignoring the fact that it would make sense considering Enma is a gravity user. It also shows gravitational attraction and they literally explained the collapse of a star into a black hole. Splitting hairs to try to discredit a feat when even thing, a simile to a star doesn’t impose any discontinuity, is cherry picking.
