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I'm talking about pre timeskip btw
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Why do they scale to Byakuran???
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At most they'd scale to the real funeral wreaths who should now be 6-C
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I mean, they could still have "at least X tier, possibly Y tier"
With X being the Real Wraths tier and Y being Tsuna's tier.
Cause we saw with Tsuna how strong an Original VR makes you, so the first part is true as most of the guardians were on par with the Wraths pre-OVR and the second makes sense since the power up they received was also massive, even tho we didn't see it in practice.
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I'd think a "far higher" would be better than a possibly tsuna rating
I do agree that the original VR rings makes them Massively stronger but using a character like tsuna to get a possibly for characters depicted to be way weaker than him doesn't sit right with me
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They weren't depicted to be way weaker than him tho?
Tsuna was the only one to fight when they got the OVRs iirc, then in the next arc everyone was fodderized by the Simon until they used their Vongola Gear.
Anyway, i don't disagree with a far higher, but I'd still give them an actual tier rather than a "far higher"
Tsuna was the only one to fight when they got the OVRs iirc, then in the next arc everyone was fodderized by the Simon until they used their Vongola Gear.
Anyway, i don't disagree with a far higher, but I'd still give them an actual tier rather than a "far higher"
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I'd rather just stick with the far higher
There's no ground for a possibly when they don't have any feats from my recollection. I could see the likes of hibari getting a possibly
But not lambo and etc
There's no ground for a possibly when they don't have any feats from my recollection. I could see the likes of hibari getting a possibly
But not lambo and etc
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Hibari didn't get any feats too, it's either for every OVR user or to none of them.
And well, we didn't get a multiplier for OVRs but it makes sense that everyone who got one was amped by roughly the same amount + is in a comparable tier with it as long as they were comparable without it.
And well, we didn't get a multiplier for OVRs but it makes sense that everyone who got one was amped by roughly the same amount + is in a comparable tier with it as long as they were comparable without it.
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They're not comparable without it
So far higher is what I'm good with
So far higher is what I'm good with
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Characters after the Future Arc are 5-A based on Enma's black holes. Essentially everyone of importance ends up scaling to that feat. Before this point, Byakuran and those who scale to him were listed as 7-B based on multipliers from a calc from earlier in the series. The proposal is to instead have Byakuran scale to 5-B based on a statement of him having destroyed a parallel earth. While "destroy the world" statements generally are seen as hyperbole, this one holds more water since in the next arc, characters start scaling to 5-A, so there is precedence for Tier 5 feats.
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It's basically a few things
1. 5-B byakuran and by virtue, figure out who scales and why
2. Fixing some of the wordings/ Reasonings for a character getting a certain tier
3. Adding new tabbers for important amps like cambio forma
4. The pages had outdated words for Stamina and intelligence, so I'm trying to replace them with the words on the current pages
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Bump?
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I suppose that this seems to make sense, although are you all certain that "destroyed the world" does not simply refer to devastating all human life on it or somesuch? Also, it would be best with some elaboration regarding the reasoning for the other intended revisions here.
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Well, there is no actual planetary destruction in this comic book, is there? Just the creation of a small black hole, if I rmember correctly. So we may very well have misinterpreted the author's intentions regarding the characters' scale of power, which may very well be addressed during future revisions. As such, I do not think that we should adjust the required overall burden of proof to far less than what we usually demand.
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The anime didn't show the world post destruction but it did show the planet associated with Byakuran's monologue. That imo alongside my other points, plus the future Tier 5 feats make 5-B alot more consistent.
Even if it isn't outright wouldn't a possibly or a likely rating suffice?
Even if it isn't outright wouldn't a possibly or a likely rating suffice?
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I don't see how it's unreliable tho and or how we are likely misinterpreting the scale author's intention of the intended scale of her characters' strength.
Also you really don't need to lessen the standards in this regard.
It should be a pretty simple evaluation, a character states that he destroyed a parallel world which is backed up by the Anime's implication of a planet's destruction.
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Yeah he does but I don't really want to bring in other verses into this
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Well, I am uneasy with allowing diffuse and uncertain statements and information as a basis for our statistics.
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Well, yeah the logic is pretty much the same but Zeref's planet destruction is a lot more clear than Byakuran's.
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Tho, i will also add that although the manga never explains if the the destruction was society scale or planetary scale (while the anime at least hints towards it being planetary), what Byakuran says afterwards about "bringing Ghost back" wouldn't really be necessary if only society was destroyed.
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I agree with XDragnoir + Bump
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Please explain further regarding what you mean and the context for it.
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In the very first scan in the OP Byakuran says:
"I destroyed the world he came from" but we have no idea what was the scale of this destruction.
But right afterwards he adds "i managed to bring him back, but barely on the shape of a human", as if he had destroyed the world (planet) and Ghost alongside it, thus having to recreate him.
If we look at this second statement as world (society) then there would be no reason to have to recreate Ghost.
So, even if we are going with a lowball, we should go with H6A (surface wiping) rather than dismiss the feat, as it's clear some kind of large scale destruction took place in Ghost's original world.
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Bump
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Perfect
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