High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

I was thinking we should just name it by arcs.

Issei Hyoudou (Arc 1-2)
Issei Hyoudou (Arc 3)

And so on. Then list the specific keys for the armours he has for those story arcs.

We could probably merge the first two arcs from Volume 1 - 6 in one profile since he only had Balance Breaker, so that would be three keys for base, incomplete and complete Balance Breaker.

Edit: Oh yeah, there's Juggernaut Drive. Hmm.

I would have liked it to be Arc based, but TotalMaster and Masque want to do it based on major jumps in power Issei obtains from numerous parts.

If we were to do it based on Arcs, that would be 4 profiles since the current arc we're in is the latest and I believe final Arc but that could end up with more keys than any profile like Ichigo or Naruto.

While if we're doing it based on major developments in power and the like as TotalMaster and Masque noted, that would be 3 since profile 1 will cover Issei up to Vol 4 (technically start of Vol 5 I would think), Profile 2 is post Tannin training so the rest of Vol 5 to Vol 15 for him some jumps here and there although going this way means Issei has other things given in that time like Oppai telepathy (or whatever it is), becoming a Dragon of sorts Post Vol 12, and so on. And ofc there's Profile 3 that covers the rest from 16 to present.

I'm up for either or because I can still see the logic for both. The one being done by Arcs would work too for certain cases, like Issei having Dragon Physiology due to his new dragon made body following the events of Vol 12, which is an Arc 3 volume and we go from him as a human-shaped Dragon of sorts from the rest of that point on.

Edit: Then again, we can still make the clarification by sorting them with specific tabs. Which is going to be a lot of work to do I may add xD

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I guess it would mean less profiles, though having the profile named 'post-Tannin training' just seems awkward somehow.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Just realized the "Post Sun Wukong Training" profile should be "Post Tobio Training (or something of that sort)" since that training in V15 brought upon the feats in V16, whereas the Wukong training is from Volume 17.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

I guess it would mean less profiles, though having the profile named 'post-Tannin training' just seems awkward somehow.

I guess?

It is a very specific way of naming the profile.

Like Deku's got two profiles, and one of them is literally titled with "Pre Final-Act" after it. Whereas with Naruto, he has two profiles for his Part 2/Shippuden Era with one called "Part 2: Pre War Arc" and the other called "Part 2: War Arc". Then you got the likes of Luffy having pre and post timeskip profiles, then a third one called "Emperor". Asta of Black Clover is the same, with his latest one called "Final Saga".

Although I guess there's are just more simpler and not oddly specific...

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I guess?

It is a very specific way of naming the profile.

Like Deku's got two profiles, and one of them is literally titled with "Pre Final-Act" after it. Whereas with Naruto, he has two profiles for his Part 2/Shippuden Era with one called "Part 2: Pre War Arc" and the other called "Part 2: War Arc". Then you got the likes of Luffy having pre and post timeskip profiles, then a third one called "Emperor". Asta of Black Clover is the same, with his latest one called "Final Saga".

Although I guess there's are just more simpler and not oddly specific...

Yeah, aside from the Emperor Luffy one (which I always thought to be weird, lol), the other profiles are (vaguely) named after arcs. That seems better to me than using post-Wukong training or something along those lines.

And we only saw the Wukong and Tannin training in like, one volume each, technically.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

If we did it based on arcs, there'd be five profiles and they'd each be bloated.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Yeah, aside from the Emperor Luffy one (which I always thought to be weird, lol), the other profiles are (vaguely) named after arcs. That seems better to me than using post-Wukong training or something along those lines.

And we only saw the Wukong and Tannin training in like, one volume each, technically.

Yeah, IDK why that's a thing with Luffy since that's still a post-timeskip thing though it's also for the best if you look at his tier lol. Ichigo, Naruto, and Luffy have the same issue too, and I have a feeling that could be something done with Issei lol.

And true. Then again, Issei DID improve a lot from his trainings with such figures.

Even in the first arc alone, we see Issei go from behind a ***t-tier Devil that needed to Boost several times to match a low-grade Fallen to needing just one to reach that same level of power. Then Ise got stronger to where he can get more Boosts if granted and be even stronger to the point of being able to dish out "High-Class Devil" attacks like making large-sized holes through entire mountains. All of that with just his base Boosted Gear alone.

Although the way his profile will look like, that just sounds like it'd go as "(BoS), (Post Tannin), (Post Wukong)".

IDK. Like I said, I can see the logic of both doing it by arcs which would make it 4-5 profiles (if for whatever reason we don't want to merge Arcs 1 and 2 together, which would consist of V1-6), or by significant training buffs Issei got at certain points of the story like his training with Tannin and whatever.

Maybe this can also be worth a CRT? Other people's second opinions might be worth an insight on. DK how to really handle this if it ends up leading nowhere or into profile creation issues.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

If we did it based on arcs, there'd be five profiles and they'd each be bloated.

If we did the BoS profile, how many volumes would it cover? I'm trying to figure, because technically, if someone tried to use Volume 1-2 Issei in a fight, then he shouldn't have Divine Dividing for example.

Or maybe we could just specify in the P&A section somehow.

We could also experiment with merging Arc 1-2 and Arc 3-4 together. That would be:

Arc 1-2:

Base | Incomplete Balance Breaker | Balance Breaker | Incomplete Juggernaut Drive

Arc 3-4:

Base | Balance Breaker | Illegal Move Triaina | Cardinal Crimson Promotion | Dragon Deification

Arc 5:

By this point, Triaina isn't a thing with CCP, so:

Base | Balance Breaker | Cardinal Crimson Promotion | Pseudo Dragon Deification | True Dragon Deification | Apocalypse AnswerArms

Or we could also go with @TotalMasterInfinity suggestion, I guess.

 

[Dragongod224]

I think we should categorise by volume like for ability and power

In first volume he gain this and that ability and power

In second volume he gain this and that ability and power

If we do that way than during cross battle no one has any confusion and they can take that volume issei and used that Pacific ability for cross battles

That's what I think

But it's also look good suggest by Burning_Full_Fingers
Qliphoth_Bacikal
MasqueTLDF

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Ngl, I am not making those sandboxes (Mostly due to technical issues, the device I'm using is pretty crappy and there's a large chance of losing the progress of whatever I'm working on), we can use the current one for Post Tobio Training Issei and I'll remove the stuff pertaining to older volumes once someone else makes the other two. Still think there should be 3 profiles.
Beginning, Post-Tannin Training, and Post Tobio Training
Stat values for the first two can be found in the current sandbox. I'll make another thread tomorrow covering the rest of the Durability, Striking Strength, Lifting Strength, AP stuff.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Ngl, I am not making those sandboxes (Mostly due to technical issues, the device I'm using is pretty crappy and there's a large chance of losing the progress of whatever I'm working on), we can use the current one for Post Tobio Training Issei and I'll remove the stuff pertaining to older volumes once someone else makes the other two. Still think there should be 3 profiles.
Beginning, Post-Tannin Training, and Post Tobio Training
Stat values for the first two can be found in the current sandbox. I'll make another thread in a tomorrow covering the rest of the Durability, Striking Strength, Lifting Strength, AP stuff.

DAMN owo

I should be free for most of this week to do some stuff again with DxD.

Just have to get off my fanfic run owo

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

What is post-Tobio training? Tobio never trained Issei.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Ngl, I am not making those sandboxes (Mostly due to technical issues, the device I'm using is pretty crappy and there's a large chance of losing the progress of whatever I'm working on), we can use the current one for Post Tobio Training Issei and I'll remove the stuff pertaining to older volumes once someone else makes the other two. Still think there should be 3 profiles.
Beginning, Post-Tannin Training, and Post Tobio Training
Stat values for the first two can be found in the current sandbox. I'll make another thread tomorrow covering the rest of the Durability, Striking Strength, Lifting Strength, AP stuff.

Can you explain what post Tobio training means?

As for the training titles, one reason I’m skeptical on using them is that most of Issei’s power ups following the training come from his armour evolutions. Like, for example, Tannin trained him for Balance Breaker but Triaina and CCP have nothing to do with the training (aside from the foundational BxB armour). Just as the Wukong training was really only for some aura control. The other gains like Penetrate, Dragon Deification, etc don’t really have anything to do with Wukong’s training.

And I guess separating it by arcs just seems more ‘professional’, if you get what I mean. But I’m also open to alternative ways of splitting the profiles. As long as they end up looking good.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

What is post-Tobio training? Tobio never trained Issei.

Volume 15 is when Tobio trained Issei, Issei notes that it'd be particularly effective since he's training with another Longinus user for the first time, and all of the feats that'd be used for that Profile are from the Volume right after. (Volume 16)

I want to get even stronger. In order to stop that sad situation from occurring.

—Then Slash Dog-san says it to me who is thinking of negative things inside myself.

“Sekiryuutei, will you be doing your personal training today as well?”

“Eh? Ah, yes. What about it?”

“I was asked by Azazel-san to take on you and this team on behalf of Kiba Yuuto, so would it be okay if I take this role?”

—! For real!? T-That certainly makes me happy! It’s more than being honoured!

I make a big nod with my head and grabbed Slash Dog-san’s hand.

“Please do! There aren’t any occasions to have a Longinus possessor as your opponent for training!”

This is a good opportunity. Being able to train with a Longinus possessor will become a great experience for me and also everyone in the Gremory group!

The Longinus possessors I have been fighting against have all been enemies after all…… That’s why you can’t have training with a Longinus possessor that easily.

Joker who is next to him also puts up his hand.

“Ah, I think Michael-sama ordered me to do the same as well. Sekiryuutei-dono, and the Gremorys’, how about having me as your training partner as well?”

Amazing! What’s with this sudden big opportunity!? Can such a thing even possibly happen!?

“Even Joker!? Please! I’ve heard from Sensei! You are as strong as Cao Cao, right?”

Perhaps "Post DxD Training" would be a better name since he trained with the various members of DxD.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Can you explain what post Tobio training means?

As for the training titles, one reason I’m skeptical on using them is that most of Issei’s power ups following the training come from his armour evolutions. Like, for example, Tannin trained him for Balance Breaker but Triaina and CCP have nothing to do with the training (aside from the foundational BxB armour). Just as the Wukong training was really only for some aura control. The other gains like Penetrate, Dragon Deification, etc don’t really have anything to do with Wukong’s training.

And I guess separating it by arcs just seems more ‘professional’, if you get what I mean. But I’m also open to alternative ways of splitting the profiles. As long as they end up looking good.

Are you implying that Issei's base doesn't grow in strength?

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

I called it "Cardinal Crimson Promotion Post-Sun Wukong's Training" because it was in volume 17 after training with Sun Wukong that it was shown that Issei CxC was now able to fight on par with Grendel without the need for Solid Impact Booster or Boost.

and it is that strength of Issei CxC that is mentioned in the Volume 16-Shin 4 section of the Sandbox Profile that Masque made.

as for "Post-Tannin's Training", I chose the name because it was at that point that his base power changed again and I only listed the forms that he obtained after that.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

I called it "Cardinal Crimson Promotion Post-Sun Wukong's Training" because it was in volume 17 after training with Sun Wukong that it was shown that Issei CxC was now able to fight on par with Grendel without the need for Solid Impact Booster or Boost.

I included V16 because of the Euclid fight since he'd be almost 3 times as strong as CxC Issei when he first obtained the form, but I suppose we could do a Post-Sun Wukong's Training Profile and just include a stronger CxC Issei (V16/Post DxD Training) as the last key on the middle Issei's profile. That'd probably be fine.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Qliphoth Bacikal/Sandbox8

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Okay, did my take on a "Start of Series" Issei page. Gotta say, Issei's page for this one is so gonna be barebones AND be bullied a lot in the future, I tell you what lol.

Seeing as a profile like this is only covering major development points, we should only index stuff that happened to the character in question (like Issei here) at when they had this ability, did this feat, or what they resist.

NOT exactly sure if we can resistances to him that happened later but if it's done through his Balance Breaker and it technically COULD have apply even when he was still starting out as a Devil and SG user, then it should be fine?

Otherwise, I think it's really about time to gather scans for abilities and such which I'd like to get out soon so I don't be lazy and not do it until much later...

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Qliphoth Bacikal/Sandbox8

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Okay, did my take on a "Start of Series" Issei page. Gotta say, Issei's page for this one is so gonna be barebones AND be bullied a lot in the future, I tell you what lol.

Seeing as a profile like this is only covering major development points, we should only index stuff that happened to the character in question (like Issei here) at when they had this ability, did this feat, or what they resist.

NOT exactly sure if we can resistances to him that happened later but if it's done through his Balance Breaker and it technically COULD have apply even when he was still starting out as a Devil and SG user, then it should be fine?

Otherwise, I think it's really about time to gather scans for abilities and such which I'd like to get out soon so I don't be lazy and not do it until much later...

Lol, doesn't he not get the "Additional Limbs" until Volume 7? I feel so bad bro, he barely has anything. (Also, the CRT at the bottom should be updated.) Looks good overall tho, great job.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Lol, doesn't he not get the "Additional Limbs" until Volume 7? I feel so bad bro, he barely has anything. (Also, the CRT at the bottom should be updated.) Looks good overall tho, great job.

Oh really? Welp, time to take out another and make him SKINNY.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Weakest Low 5-B on the site lol

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Just wondering, was the Koneko tree uproot ever calced? if it was, idr.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Weakest Low 5-B on the site lol

MFR is a late boomer to getting his good shit lol.

Srsly, Issei doesn't get stronger/haxier stuff until like Vol 10 through 21 where he gets more armors, soul resistance, his +---> move, and some other stuff I'm forgetting but sure he should have more resistances too along the line around those points.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Just wondering, was the Koneko tree uproot ever calced? if it was, idr.

No.

But it's listed as a common feat to be put on here. That's Class 10 by the looks of it.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

No.

But it's listed as a common feat to be put on here. That's Class 10 by the looks of it.

Ah yeah, thanks for reminding me.

 

[Dragongod224]

Qliphoth Bacikal/Sandbox8

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Okay, did my take on a "Start of Series" Issei page. Gotta say, Issei's page for this one is so gonna be barebones AND be bullied a lot in the future, I tell you what lol.

Seeing as a profile like this is only covering major development points, we should only index stuff that happened to the character in question (like Issei here) at when they had this ability, did this feat, or what they resist.

NOT exactly sure if we can resistances to him that happened later but if it's done through his Balance Breaker and it technically COULD have apply even when he was still starting out as a Devil and SG user, then it should be fine?

Otherwise, I think it's really about time to gather scans for abilities and such which I'd like to get out soon so I don't be lazy and not do it until much later...

Bro about his intelligent he don't have this much

only average suit enough in 1 2 3 4 volume

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Bro about his intelligent he don't have this much

only average suit enough in 1 2 3 4 volume

Yeah cuz he's super GREEN,

 

[Vietthai96]

For the umpteeth time idk why i keep losing notification randomly.

Anyway, i think we can divide Issei profile into 3 profiles, one of it should be start from True DxD vol 1

Also, i really against divide key/tabber based on transformations, should be divided based on saga/arc. Cause his form get increases in later arcs, and nowaday most new and updated old profile divide key/tabber based on arc. Dragon Ball is one example

 

[Dragongod224]

For the umpteeth time idk why i keep losing notification randomly.

Me to

 

[MasqueTLDF]

For the umpteeth time idk why i keep losing notification randomly.

Anyway, i think we can divide Issei profile into 3 profiles, one of it should be start from True DxD vol 1

Also, i really against divide key/tabber based on transformations, should be divided based on saga/arc. Cause his form get increases in later arcs, and nowaday most new and updated old profile divide key/tabber based on arc. Dragon Ball is one example

Disagree FRA

 

[Vietthai96]

 

[MasqueTLDF]

To get it over with.

DxD Issei AP Revision 4

Hey, back again with another CRT, this time covering the Volume 16-Current Key of Issei's new profile sandbox. I'll briefly explain the reasoning for the tiers in this post but for more detailed explanations, sources, and images, go here. (The only necessary part for this thread is the Volume...

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[Vietthai96]

To get it over with.

DxD Issei AP Revision 4

Hey, back again with another CRT, this time covering the Volume 16-Current Key of Issei's new profile sandbox. I'll briefly explain the reasoning for the tiers in this post but for more detailed explanations, sources, and images, go here. (The only necessary part for this thread is the Volume...

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Actually there is a rule that a verse should not have more than 3 CRTs running at the same time, be sure to finish and close other thread before you make a new one, just saying

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Actually there is a rule that a verse should not have more than 3 CRTs running at the same time, be sure to finish and close other thread before you make a new one, just saying

There are only 3 active CRTs currently

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Anyway, i think we can divide Issei profile into 3 profiles, one of it should be start from True DxD vol 1

Also, i really against divide key/tabber based on transformations, should be divided based on saga/arc. Cause his form get increases in later arcs, and nowaday most new and updated old profile divide key/tabber based on arc. Dragon Ball is one example

3 or 4 profiles, I don't really mind. Goku and Naruto literally have that many (or 3 even for someone like Luffy and Black Clover's Asta).

Though how would that work? The latest profile being Shin would just be that, but what of the other two? OG DxD literally consists of 25 volumes alone. Add in Shin which is just a continuation of DxD's current plotline at that point and it's 29 volumes total.

Also, same. Now that you said that, doing it based on arcs actually would help since if the idea is doing it based after a major training power up point and one of them covers Volume 5 to 15, we can make a tab that covers Issei's base from End of Vol 12 and beyond with stuff he gets like Dragon Physiology and whatnot.

I would do it based on Arcs or Saga's though...but volumes work just as well if not better just to clarify that both on the keys and PnA tabs.

For now, that can be done starting with the basics like Issei's "Beginning of Series" profile and this one is the easiest to work with cuz he doesn't have a lot to work with lol. Even if we had done this by Arcs like having it with Arc 1 (Vol 1-2) and Arc 2 (3-6), Issei still doesn't have that much. He's just a power brick lol.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Thinking of some cool Match-Ups, AxA Issei vs Future Trunks Saga Manga Goku, CxC (Pre V16) Issei vs Adult Naruto (Six Paths), Current CxC Issei vs Post Elentear Erza. Maybe Meliodas/Luffy/Natsu too? Y'all got any thoughts? (The last one is particularly, interesting... nosebleed)

 

[MasqueTLDF]

And I kinda stopped caring about the profile organization thing, as long as the accepted scaling is used (to feed my ego and self-worth) and the profiles are more detailed and accurate as a result, I'm fine with it being by arcs.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Qliphoth Bacikal/Sandbox8

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Okay, did my take on a "Start of Series" Issei page. Gotta say, Issei's page for this one is so gonna be barebones AND be bullied a lot in the future, I tell you what lol.

Seeing as a profile like this is only covering major development points, we should only index stuff that happened to the character in question (like Issei here) at when they had this ability, did this feat, or what they resist.

NOT exactly sure if we can resistances to him that happened later but if it's done through his Balance Breaker and it technically COULD have apply even when he was still starting out as a Devil and SG user, then it should be fine?

Otherwise, I think it's really about time to gather scans for abilities and such which I'd like to get out soon so I don't be lazy and not do it until much later...

This looks pretty good to me. I would personally simply merge Arc 2 with it and test how it looks, so it includes complete BxB and imperfect Juggernaut Drive. That’s if you don’t want more than 3 profiles.

Also, he doesn’t get the ability to strip curses and magic until the last chapter of DX 2 (which falls under Arc 3 or 4 iirc). He could remove “clothes” like armour and stuff though.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

This looks pretty good to me. I would personally simply merge Arc 2 with it and test how it looks, so it includes complete BxB and imperfect Juggernaut Drive. That’s if you don’t want more than 3 profiles.

Also, he doesn’t get the ability to strip curses and magic until the last chapter of DX 2 (which falls under Arc 3 or 4 iirc). He could remove “clothes” like armour and stuff though.

I mean it already has Incomplete BxB I guess since he didn't have it complete until Vol 5, which is an Arc 2 thing as Vol 5 falls under that. I can definitely add Imperfect JD to show what it looks like IF we're doing it by arcs and merging the first two arcs which only gives us four.

I also don't see why having 4 profiles of Issei is a lot though? Naruto and Goku legit have 4 profiles. Technically of which they'd be three for each cuz Naruto's splitting Part 2 a bit and so is Goku for DBS's anime/manga separate canon versions.

And damn lol. Naturally, that is the case xD.

Issei legit just a power brick for the first two arcs man lol. REAL.

 

[Dragongod224]

About dxd speed how long it's take