Here we go again: 1-A Ichiban downgrade, the sequel.

[HalilAssassino]

I handled it.

Thank you Antvasima

 

[Antvasima]

No problem.

 

[Antvasima]

@DontTalkDT @QuasiYuri

We need to start to finish up this revision by applying what you think seems most appropriate.

 

[DontTalkDT]

What I consider most appropriate is what is currently on the profiles, as I made the proposed changes I agreed to a while ago.

I'm fine with Yar_R_agi_7k new additions, except for the limited telekinesis with Keena. Akuto already has telekinesis in that key.

 

[Yar_R_agi_7k]

I'm fine with Yar_R_agi_7k new additions, except for the limited telekinesis with Keena. Akuto already has telekinesis in that key.

oh that's true, I didn't see the ''All previous'', sorry

 

[QuasiYuri]

What I consider most appropriate is what is currently on the profiles, as I made the proposed changes I agreed to a while ago.

I'm fine with Yar_R_agi_7k new additions, except for the limited telekinesis with Keena. Akuto already has telekinesis in that key.

Was the blog edited accordingly tho? I'm fine with it too (for now).

 

[Yar_R_agi_7k]

(for now)

 

[DaReaperMan]

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[Antvasima]

What I consider most appropriate is what is currently on the profiles, as I made the proposed changes I agreed to a while ago.

Okay. Thank you.

I'm fine with Yar_R_agi_7k new additions, except for the limited telekinesis with Keena. Akuto already has telekinesis in that key.

That is probably fine to apply then.

 

[Yar_R_agi_7k]

What I am wondering is, will a new blog be opened or will the old one be edited?

 

[DontTalkDT]

Was the blog edited accordingly tho? I'm fine with it too (for now).

I'm not editing another person's blog. It's better to remove the link to it from the page. I can then either write a new blog or write a publically editable explanation page for the verse based on the current blog and what we discussed.
The latter is probably better.

 

[QuasiYuri]

I'm not editing another person's blog. It's better to remove the link to it from the page. I can then either write a new blog or write a publically editable explanation page for the verse based on the current blog and what we discussed.
The latter is probably better.

I second the idea.

Imo explanation pages should always be publically editable.

 

[Antvasima]

I am fine with DontTalk's second suggestion.

 

[AKUTO123]

Can you explain in more detail what are you trying to say?

 

[Antvasima]

@DontTalkDT @QuasiYuri @Ionliosite

Is there anything left to do here, or should we close this thread?

 

[Yar_R_agi_7k]

Is there anything left to do here, or should we close this thread?

wouldn't it be better if the crt was turned off after the blog was written.... i've been waiting for months this

 

[Antvasima]

Who is supposed to write the blog?

 

[Yar_R_agi_7k]

Who is supposed to write the blog?

i guess donttalktd volunteer

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

@DontTalkDT

Is it correct that you volunteered to write an explanation blog here?

 

[Catzlaflame]

Can you explain in more detail what are you trying to say?

The creator of the thread that scaled akuto, loi, and hiroshi to high-1A used the argument that the afterlife was 1-A and void body > afterlife by an inaccessible difference therefore void body = high-1A, however in this blog everyone was discussing weather the afterlife was 2-B or 1-C and 1-A afterlife wasn’t mentioned so I was just wondering why there is a “likely high-1A” in akutos profile due to scaling above the afterlife, if everyone already agrees that the afterlife isn’t 1-A

 

[DontTalkDT]

@DontTalkDT

Is it correct that you volunteered to write an explanation blog here?

Yep. Just busy with lots of threads and RL stuff, so I need some time.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem. Thank you very much for helping out.

 

[Yar_R_agi_7k]

Thank you

 

[Catzlaflame]

The fiction of the dream hierarchy and afterlife are two different fictions. one fiction entirely belongs to tloi and begins above the other fiction. The first layer of the dream hierarchy <afterlife tloi fiction, the afterlife fiction is another fiction higher than the dream hierarchy. I do not agree with what is written on the sandbox

ik it’s been like a month since you commented this LOL but I heavily disagree. You stated that the Real world and the afterlife are completely different and that the loi only creates the first layer and not the afterlife this is just blatantly false:
“.....But hasn’t he carried out the role of the protagonist in the story revolving around the law of identity? Can he truly escape that? Even in the afterlife we are merely being forced into some sort of role”
-volume 12 chapter 5
Here’s a screenshot
Above bouchirou explains that even after ascension in to the afterlife they are still only playing the roles given to them by the law of identity,

 

[AKUTO123]

yes everyone plays the role and destiny given by the law of identity but what does that have to do with hierarchies? As the creator, tloi may already know the ending and determine what the characters will do, but why does this reduce the number of hierarchies to 1?

 

[Lormac_CC]

ik it’s been like a month since you commented this LOL but I heavily disagree. You stated that the Real world and the afterlife are completely different and that the loi only creates the first layer and not the afterlife this is just blatantly false:
“.....But hasn’t he carried out the role of the protagonist in the story revolving around the law of identity? Can he truly escape that? Even in the afterlife we are merely being forced into some sort of role”
-volume 12 chapter 5
Here’s a screenshot
Above bouchirou explains that even after ascension in to the afterlife they are still only playing the roles given to them by the law of identity,

Here we go again

 

[Catzlaflame]

yes everyone plays the role and destiny given by the law of identity but what does that have to do with hierarchies? As the creator, tloi may already know the ending and determine what the characters will do, but why does this reduce the number of hierarchies to 1?

That was meant to prove that the law of identity’s fiction is literally the entire dream hierarchy. But actually let me ask u this, if there are indeed 2 infinite hierarchies in the verse like u say can you quote a scan that shows another infinite hierarchy: there’s of course the dream hierarchy:
“You destroyed the system closing us in, but the next system activated, the fiction has multiple layers. It is an infinite retreat”
But what other implications of another infinite hierarchy are there

 

[AKUTO123]

We know that afterlife is a fiction, and that even though he surpasses the mentioned fiction, acuto states that he is still in a fiction, and that after he overcomes that fiction, he says "we are the only two of us who can be born equal to the creator's world", hiroshi shows a lot to acuteo First, he seems to claim that they went to the creator's world at that time, and then he implies that no one is equal in that world, he is not born on an equal plane. that is, after the dream hierarchy has been passed, there are many scans showing that there is still a world that acuto wants to destroy and wants to get rid of, and it is said that the world that acuto wants to destroy is the world of tloi, so a 2nd creator hierarchy makes much more sense to me. As the dream hierarchy is explained, the fiction of individuals, each individual sees another individual as their own fiction, so I do not keep these two the same.

 

[Catzlaflame]

We know that afterlife is a fiction, and that even though he surpasses the mentioned fiction, acuto states that he is still in a fiction, and that after he overcomes that fiction, he says "we are the only two of us who can be born equal to the creator's world", hiroshi shows a lot to acuteo First, he seems to claim that they went to the creator's world at that time, and then he implies that no one is equal in that world, he is not born on an equal plane. that is, after the dream hierarchy has been passed, there are many scans showing that there is still a world that acuto wants to destroy and wants to get rid of, and it is said that the world that acuto wants to destroy is the world of tloi, so a 2nd creator hierarchy makes much more sense to me. As the dream hierarchy is explained, the fiction of individuals, each individual sees another individual as their own fiction, so I do not keep these two the same.

i still can’t understand what it is your trying to argue but let’s just wait till the new revision thread to see what everyone else thinks

 

[AKUTO123]

i still can’t understand what it is your trying to argue but let’s just wait till the new revision thread to see what everyone else thinks

I'm saying that the dream hierarchy is not final fiction otherwise acuto without the empty body was already out of afterlife

 

[Yar_R_agi_7k]

i still can’t understand what it is your trying to argue but let’s just wait till the new revision thread to see what everyone else thinks

wait a minute, was the new revision about to open?

 

[AKUTO123]

I'm saying that the dream hierarchy is not final fiction otherwise acuto without the empty body was already out of afterlife

for this reason it was said that there is probably 2x hierarchy and now it is probably High 1A characters

 

[Catzlaflame]

I'm saying that the dream hierarchy is not final fiction otherwise acuto without the empty body was already out of afterlife

So basically what ur saying is that there is an infinite hierarchy of fictions and the afterlife is the second layer of THIS hierarchy, and that the first layer of this hierarchy (the story of the demon king) contains a different infinite hierarchy which is the hierarchy dreams?
Firstly this quote:
“You destroyed the system closing us in, but the next system activated. The fiction has multiple layers. It is in an infinite retreat. It’s like a hell that continues on and on forever, so it isn’t an easy thing to deal with.”
Was from when akuto trancends death and appears in the afterlife, “you destroyed the system closing us in” which is the first fiction or the story of the demon king that means the afterlife is the next layer above the story of the demon king, so basically what I’m asking you is a scan implying that there is a separate infinite hierarchy in the story of the demon king

 

[Catzlaflame]

for this reason it was said that there is probably 2x hierarchy and now it is probably High 1A characters

Oh are you talking about the thing with yoshie mb it took me a minute to recall cus it’s been so long since I’ve read the novel but here:

“But what if the world were someone’s dream? That answer was also simple.
The world was created by the storyteller known as the Law of Identity.
Then what was the world? The world was fiction.”

This directly correlates dreams being = to fictions. And that the world(the story of demon king) being fictional means that it’s andream

 

[AKUTO123]

So basically what ur saying is that there is an infinite hierarchy of fictions and the afterlife is the second layer of THIS hierarchy, and that the first layer of this hierarchy (the story of the demon king) contains a different infinite hierarchy which is the hierarchy dreams?
Firstly this quote:
“You destroyed the system closing us in, but the next system activated. The fiction has multiple layers. It is in an infinite retreat. It’s like a hell that continues on and on forever, so it isn’t an easy thing to deal with.”
Was from when akuto trancends death and appears in the afterlife, “you destroyed the system closing us in” which is the first fiction or the story of the demon king that means the afterlife is the next layer above the story of the demon king, so basically what I’m asking you is a scan implying that there is a separate infinite hierarchy in the story of the demon king

I'm not claiming that the akuto has a separate hierarchy, you are wrong here, with the infinite possibilities that the dream hierarchy is surpassed by the akuto, and after that, I am saying that there is a second fiction because the akuto still exists within a fiction. I can explain this hierarchy with the author statement, but it is not relevant to this crt. After transcending the akuto dream hierarchy in this crt, it was concluded that there is probably a second dream hierarchy, since it still exists within the fiction

 

[AKUTO123]

Oh are you talking about the thing with yoshie mb it took me a minute to recall cus it’s been so long since I’ve read the novel but here:

“But what if the world were someone’s dream? That answer was also simple.
The world was created by the storyteller known as the Law of Identity.
Then what was the world? The world was fiction.”

This directly correlates dreams being = to fictions. And that the world(the story of demon king) being fictional means that it’s andream

Akuto has crossed the editing hierarchy but still hasn't been able to get out of the afterlife, so we just state that a second fiction probably exists, not according to any statement.

 

[Catzlaflame]

I'm not claiming that the akuto has a separate hierarchy, you are wrong here, with the infinite possibilities that the dream hierarchy is surpassed by the akuto, and after that, I am saying that there is a second fiction because the akuto still exists within a fiction. I can explain this hierarchy with the author statement, but it is not relevant to this crt. After transcending the akuto dream hierarchy in this crt, it was concluded that there is probably a second dream hierarchy, since it still exists within the fiction

Why would the infinite possibilities of worlds in the afterlife surpass the dream hierarchy? What I’m saying is that yes he trancends the first fiction but why would the fist fiction contain a infinite hierarchy

 

[Catzlaflame]

Akuto has crossed the editing hierarchy but still hasn't been able to get out of the afterlife, so we just state that a second fiction probably exists, not according to any statement.

Yes? The first fiction is the story of demon king, the second fiction is the afterlife, the third fiction was never stated but we know it exists because bouchirou states that the fictions go on forever

 

[AKUTO123]

Why would the infinite possibilities of worlds in the afterlife surpass the dream hierarchy? What I’m saying is that yes he trancends the first fiction but why would the fist fiction contain a infinite hierarchy

If you're wondering why infinite possibilities involve infinite hierarchy, do read DT's comments, basically because he is the one who claims and shows it

 

[AKUTO123]

Yes? The first fiction is the story of demon king, the second fiction is the afterlife, the third fiction was never stated but we know it exists because bouchirou states that the fictions go on forever

High 1As due to the 3rd setup you mentioned