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Harry Potter Verse Speed Upgrade

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Well, from the books we know that when wizards duel (like in the dueling league) they face each other at a range where normal spoken communication is easy.

Beyond ~30 feet, you have to put in a lot more effort to be heard, which the books do not demonstrate happening - Harry and Draco, for example, exchanged threats just fine.

Therefore, we can assume that it is reasonable for an experienced duelist to react to their opponent's spell at a distance of ~30 feet.

The casting time of a spell seems to average around one second (verbal and motion casting). We can further assume that the common attack spells in duels can be distinguished by an experienced duelist from the first motion (so within a half second of the start of casting).

This leaves the opponent a half second to choose a defense and cast it before the spell is headed their way. They need to then cast their defense or counterattack, which will take approximately a second.

  • At time 0 the attacker (A) begins casting a spell.
  • At time 0.5, the defender (D) begins casting a defense or counter.
  • At time 1, A's spell launches towards D. D still needs a half second to finish casting.
Therefore, if the spell can cover 30 feet in half a second, D will never be able to counter, and the duel will likely end with the first spell every time.

Spells can't move too slowly, either, or even an inexperienced duelist will have plenty of time to summon a defense - attacking will never hit.

I would therefore estimate that the spell takes between .75 and 1 second to travel a distance of up to 30 feet.

That works out to ~37.5 feet per second to 30 feet per second (I would expect that different spells travel at different speeds, but this works for an average range). This is fast, but not so fast that a prepared defender won't have time to defend himself and/or dodge.

For comparison, a quick google search suggests that most bullets from a handgun travel at a minimum of 1,000 feet per second (up to around 1,500 fps) when they exit the barrel. A spell travels, then, at ~2% the speed of a handgun bullet (rifle bullets are considerably faster).

These are back-of-the-envelope calculations, and may be off by a factor of two or three (if duelists stand 40 or even 60 feet apart, instead of 30). Even a worst-case scenario, though (60 feet apart, at which distance you MUST yell to be heard) has a spell traveling at less than 80 feet per second or Subsonic
 
The speed upgrade is for average Wizards (students), therefore, it can also apply to adult wizards.
 
You are calculating attack speed here, just to point that part out. That in itself makes it not that notable, since for example baseball players can throw balls with subsonic speed and stuff, but that aside.

The problem here is that you reason from no given information other than that the characters are in talking range.

Basically I can use exactly the same argument on the throwing speed in an arbitary dodgeball match. That obviously has lower throwing speeds than you get as a result here.

So for short: Too much guesswork here IMO.
 
But adult wizard don't need to talk to use spells. We have seen it.

Edit: A Baseball ball is a none revelant object, wizards are not reacting to a linear object and they are not reacting to aim dodging or "aim catch" like a baseball player is doing. They dodge and counter with the same speed the spells are cast, is very different.
 
Well during part two Snape and Lockhart were talking during the "duel". If I remember correctly (and with no doubt (At least in movie, because book don't show this particular thing directly). Also as another wizard can react to the spell its not only attack speed but also reaction speed (so it is actually combat speed). Also they are not regular humans physically without a doubt and multiple thimes it was shown (Umbridge rection to flying arrows, multiple statements of being more durable than muggles, While maybe not a subsonic they should have at least Faster than Eye reactions.
 
The Thestrals are possibly faster than even the fastest broomstick, as when Harry rode his, he did not think he had ever moved so fast, and he was the owner of a top-of-the-line broomstick, the Firebolt.

The Death Eaters were flying on broomstick and killing people riding the Thestrals during the 7 book.

That's Subsonic combat speed.
 
I also agree with DontTalk.
 
AppleLord said:
The Thestrals are possibly faster than even the fastest broomstick, as when Harry rode his, he did not think he had ever moved so fast, and he was the owner of a top-of-the-line broomstick, the Firebolt.
The Death Eaters were flying on broomstick and killing people riding the Thestrals during the 7 book.

That's Subsonic combat speed.
Nobody has reply to this feat. ^ Very different to Don'tTalk suggestions above.
 
Please explain what a Thestral is.
 
Okay. Thanks. What do you think btw The Everlasting?
 
Has anyone tried asking J.K. Rowling about Apparate vs bullet speed in twitter?

I'll do it. Even if I've 0.01 percent of getting an answered.

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By that logic military pilots have supersonic reactions.In order for them to have Subsonic reactions they'll have to be able to react in a certain time period which isn't the case with your arguments.
 
Military Pilots are using the guns on the airplane with aim assistance through a scope.

Wizards are using their eyesight and wrist to aim and fire at such speeds, is not the same. That's subsonic combat speed, the same as Dolores blocking the arrow in mid flight.
 
No it's not the same, on Dolores' case she only had a specific time to do the task while the flying case is too general to make such assumptions.

You have a slight point for the military pilots (even though it doesn't completely undo my point) but there are other similar cases as well, do F1 drivers, regular pilots etc have Superhuman reactions?

Also if a deatheater is chasing a thestral then their relative speed should be taken into account.
 
In this case it will apply more to a Rocket chasing a Jet, than anything else.

Your last comment holds a lot of value, if the bloom is slower than a Thestral, how can a death eater aim and perfectly kill a wizard on a thestral with a wrist movement, during a thunderstorm?
 
Let's assume that V1 = speed of a thestral = 200 km/h

and V2 = broom speed = 150 km/h

Relative speed of the two ~V1-V2 ~ 50 km/h (13.8 m/s) and the Thestral were probably moving in simply paterns so aiming at shooting them wouldn't be that difficult.

Image you are holding a gun and aiming for Usain bolt while he runs away from you.
 
I've just verify and Voldemort's feat is now accepted for some reason. (That doesn't undo the maneuvers of the Thestral in both.)
 
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