- 3,077
- 1,685
Shmeat offers a higher magnitude. It doesn't make much difference who does calc. We take the finished magnitude from the power chartI meant Shmeaty's version.
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Shmeat offers a higher magnitude. It doesn't make much difference who does calc. We take the finished magnitude from the power chartI meant Shmeaty's version.
Yes, new calculation literally doesn't make sense, since the result will be the sameNew version? If the mag 6 remains then the currect calc is used which is from clover dragon and that's what's used currently. No idea why a new calc was even brought up but it was by Nik in case we went for a lower magnitude to which I agree.
By the way, it would be a cool plot move. Send Yujiro to Africa to attack him with a nuclear bombdid they?
if they did, i conced the argument, yujiro is 7C
the mfs seem smart enough to know that keeping him is far more beneficial than killing him considering he is a superhumanBy the way, it would be a cool plot move. Send Yujiro to Africa to attack him with a nuclear bomb
So the presidents of the united states don't know how powerful weapons are?it makes all the statements look silly since they have no idea what they're talking about when the compare the 2
Yes, they do know what they are talking about, they are the presidents of the united states, they OBVIOUSLY know how strong their weapons are.also this
This is a statement from the literally disembodied narrator of the manga.that just supports the the information is based on pure fear interpretation
I am tired of repeating myself. All for two people who just won't accept stuff.So the presidents of the united states don't know how powerful weapons are?
Yes, they do know what they are talking about, they are the presidents of the united states, they OBVIOUSLY know how strong their weapons are.
Obama literally watches Yujiro's fights every time, so he's also knowledgeable about what he's capable of. Most of the statements are also given by the narrator, who doesn't have biases or incomplete knowledge. The narrator himself straight up says that there's "truth" to the notion of Yujiro being "far above all of the new weapons, missiles and tanks". So yeah, the statements are reliable
They don't need to drop a nuke on him to test it, what are they, ***** toddlers or something? The human mind is capable of drawing comparisons between things without needing visual evidence like that. Do you need to see an heavyweight boxer fight a flyweight in order to know that the former is stronger?
Fear? Do you think that throughout all of Yujiro's life, all the presidencies, nobody ever stopped to think "ok, is what we are doing here rational or is it just unwarranted fear"? You think the whole of the planet is just fine with the idea of their superpowers having to pledge allegiance to a guy just because "the president thinks he looks scary"? We know for a fact the US actively tries to kill Yujiro in all sorts of way, they even tried to give him AIDS and cancer ffs, to suggest the idea that the US is just "winging it" in regards to Yujiro's strength is ridiculous.
"even if a the statements provided aren't contradicted that doesn't automatically mean the information is right" no yeah, it really does lol.
This is a statement from the literally disembodied narrator of the manga.
can you visualize how powerful 500 kilotons of tnt are?So the presidents of the united states don't know how powerful weapons are?
for example: In the manga, political leaders state that yujiro is as strong as nuclear war heads
sure he said that, but does he know what he is talking about? did he ever drop a nuke on yujiro and he managed to simply tank it? is the information provided accurate and not simply a byproduct of his fear? Does he know everything about yujiro's abilities and strenght? there are other questions to be answered as well.
evidence?Yes, they do know what they are talking about
already addressed, they are the presidents of the united states, they OBVIOUSLY know how strong their weapons are.
fear is a thing, there is the fact that they never even tried it supporting me here so everything they state is pure specualtionsObama literally watches Yujiro's fights every time, so he's also knowledgeable about what he's capable of.
already addressedMost of the statements are also given by the narrator, who doesn't have biases or incomplete knowledge.
there are also Guidebook statements, and people generally just take them at face value
however, guidebooks are just supplemental information that expands upon feats from a fictional work, If it's information is contradicted by the fictional work it's describing or isn't backed up by any evidence then its most likely false.
for example, if a guidebook describes a character's attack potency to be 5B but he consistenly shows 7C feats, then the guidebook statement will be ignored
This is why statements that are describing physical phenomenons like AP, speed etc have to be analyzed on a step by step basis. The feats are what shows the physical changes that occur and the statements are just conclusions that can be true or false, so they should not be taken as evidence for feats
those are quotation marks, you sure the narrator is the one saying that?The narrator himself straight up says that there's "truth" to the notion of Yujiro being "far above all of the new weapons, missiles and tanks". So yeah, the statements are reliable
yes they doThey don't need to drop a nuke on him to test it,
political leaders who suck up to a guy with tier 8 at best feats calling him above nuclear missileswhat are they, ***** toddlers or something?
The human mind is capable of drawing comparisons between things without needing visual evidence like that. Do you need to see an heavyweight boxer fight a flyweight in order to know that the former is stronger?
pretty potent fear inducement ig, since again they never even triedFear? Do you think that throughout all of Yujiro's life, all the presidencies, nobody ever stopped to think "ok, is what we are doing here rational or is it just unwarranted fear"?
yes, unless of course you bring evidence otherwiseYou think the whole of the planet is just fine with the idea of their superpowers having to pledge allegiance to a guy just because "the president thinks he looks scary"?
but never nukes?We know for a fact the US actively tries to kill Yujiro in all sorts of way, they even tried to give him AIDS and cancer ffs
the reason why is?, to suggest the idea that the US is just "winging it" in regards to Yujiro's strength is ridiculous.
"even if a the statements provided aren't contradicted that doesn't automatically mean the information is right" no yeah, it really does lol.
Yujiro has literally never shown anything that could be stronger than a nuclear weapon, if you exclude the feat of stopping an earthquake, which has already been rejected several timesSo the presidents of the united states don't know how powerful weapons are?
Yes, they do know what they are talking about, they are the presidents of the united states, they OBVIOUSLY know how strong their weapons are.
Obama literally watches Yujiro's fights every time, so he's also knowledgeable about what he's capable of. Most of the statements are also given by the narrator, who doesn't have biases or incomplete knowledge. The narrator himself straight up says that there's "truth" to the notion of Yujiro being "far above all of the new weapons, missiles and tanks". So yeah, the statements are reliable
Yujiro has an aura of fear. They simply do not understand what they are talking about. In place of Yujiro, there may be some Luther Strode with the same feats or an extra from Tokyo Ghoul, who is not taken by explosions and bullets. Obama might as well say that they are stronger than nuclear weapons.They don't need to drop a nuke on him to test it, what are they, ***** toddlers or something? The human mind is capable of drawing comparisons between things without needing visual evidence like that. Do you need to see an heavyweight boxer fight a flyweight in order to know that the former is stronger?
Don't compare AIDS and cancer with nuclear weapons, please. Your AIDS couldn't kill Jim Carrey when he was playing a gay con artist. Cancer couldn't kill Walter White. Are they also stronger than nuclear weapons? This is a very stupid argument. Even if you assume that they used conventional artillery, other than that, the difference between a weapon with a nuclear projectile and without is colossal.Fear? Do you think that throughout all of Yujiro's life, all the presidencies, nobody ever stopped to think "ok, is what we are doing here rational or is it just unwarranted fear"? You think the whole of the planet is just fine with the idea of their superpowers having to pledge allegiance to a guy just because "the president thinks he looks scary"? We know for a fact the US actively tries to kill Yujiro in all sorts of way, they even tried to give him AIDS and cancer ffs, to suggest the idea that the US is just "winging it" in regards to Yujiro's strength is ridiculous.
yes, very easily, we quite literally have video evidence of what nukes look like and what even hypothetical non-existent nukes (IE, hydrogen bombs for instance) would be able to do.can you visualize how powerful 500 kilotons of tnt are?
and I already told you, this is a dumb ass statement lmao. Something not having a possible contradiction is basically the definition of being true, you're just looking for a way to handwave away statements you can't contradict by playing the incredulity cardven if a the statements provided aren't contradicted that doesnt automatically mean the information is right
the earthquake feat. And you don't require a physical feat to support a statement, ask that to Dragonball lmaothat says nothing when there no feats to support it, that's just the equivalent of a narrator stating someone can destroy the world,or any character for that matter, which is worthless
yes, and no, you haven't addressed it as I've saidthose are quotation marks, you sure the narrator is the one saying that?
no they don't. See? I can play this game too!yes they do
you are so ******* biased holy shit, what happened? Did you lose a debate against Yujiro? jesus this borders on being comedic lmaopolitical leaders who suck up to a guy with tier 8 at best feats calling him above nuclear missiles
narrator statements, statements confirmed by narrator. moot.if they're so afraid of him they think even nukes won't work(as you said, they literally start with this assumption) when they don't even know his full strenght that's all there is to it
no it's ******* not, wtf? are you serious????that says nothing when there no feats to support it, that's just the equivalent of a narrator stating someone can destroy the world,or any character for that matter, which is worthless
narrator statements, statements confirmed by narrator. moot.pretty potent fear inducement ig, since again they never even tried
with this you pretty much showed you have no idea what you're talking about and are to be ignoredi can fly but i will never choose to do so
prove that wrong then, it's never going to be contradicted so it's right based on your logic
"if you ignore the feat he has that's comparable to nukes, he doesn't have a feat that's comparable to nukes" do you even read what you're writing before posting it?Yujiro has literally never shown anything that could be stronger than a nuclear weapon, if you exclude the feat of stopping an earthquake, which has already been rejected several times
narrator statements, and the statements confirmed by narrator. moot.Yujiro has an aura of fear. They simply do not understand what they are talking about. In place of Yujiro, there may be some Luther Strode with the same feats or an extra from Tokyo Ghoul, who is not taken by explosions and bullets. Obama might as well say that they are stronger than nuclear weapons.
Yujiro didn't demonstrate anything to convince them. Only scared on an instinctive level
i never ******* compared nukes to ******* aids wtf? I just used those examples to show that it's not like the US saw Yujiro stroll in and took his word for it, they actually TRIED to kill him multiple timesDon't compare AIDS and cancer with nuclear weapons, please. Your AIDS couldn't kill Jim Carrey when he was playing a gay con artist. Cancer couldn't kill Walter White. Are they also stronger than nuclear weapons? This is a very stupid argument. Even if you assume that they used conventional artillery, other than that, the difference between a weapon with a nuclear projectile and without is colossal.
you, young man are both illiterate and biasedYes, presidents are idiots and didn't think of it. Itagaki is literally an offended Japanese who tries to humiliate the US government and portray them as idiots when given the opportunity. And don't call it satire. Strong personalities who are responsible for the security of an entire country and are involved in resolving conflicts that could lead to a nuclear war suddenly start behaving like idiots and talking complete nonsense next to Yujiro.
They're just afraid of him because of the aura. Hell, they literally piss their pants every time they see him.
some of my points were bad, but arguing is fun, so why not?Yeah okay you both are just arguing for the sake of it at this point.
Explain my illiteracy, please. I literally use a translator to communicate with you.you, young man are both illiterate and biased
There's no need for this part.you, young man are both illiterate and biased
ignore that first one about visulization,yes, very easily, we quite literally have video evidence of what nukes look like and what even hypothetical non-existent nukes (IE, hydrogen bombs for instance) would be able to do.
i can fly but i will never choose to do soand I already told you, this is a dumb ass statement lmao. Something not having a possible contradiction is basically the definition of being true, you're just looking for a way to handwave away statements you can't contradict by playing the incredulity card
the outlier?the earthquake feat. And you don't require a physical feat to support a statement, ask that to Dragonball lmao
...yes and no?yes, and no, you haven't addressed it as I've said
no they don't. See? I can play this game too!
you are so ***** biased holy shit, what happened? Did you lose a debate against Yujiro? jesus this borders on being comedic lmao
no feats againnarrator statements, statements confirmed by narrator. moot.
there are also Guidebook statements, and people generally just take them at face value
however, guidebooks are just supplemental information that expands upon feats from a fictional work, If it's information is contradicted by the fictional work it's describing or isn't backed up by any evidence then its most likely false.
for example, if a guidebook describes a character's attack potency to be 5B but he consistenly shows 7C feats, then the guidebook statement will be ignored
This is why statements that are describing physical phenomenons like AP, speed etc have to be analyzed on a step by step basis. The feats are what shows the physical changes that occur and the statements are just conclusions that can be true or false, so they should not be taken as evidence for feats
no it's ***** not, wtf? are you serious????
narrator statements, statements confirmed by narrator. moot.
with this you pretty much showed you have no idea what you're talking about and are to be ignored
a single one, then every other feat, even ones when he uses his full strenght with veins bulging out of his arms...is 8C"if you ignore the feat he has that's comparable to nukes, he doesn't have a feat that's comparable to nukes" do you even read what you're writing before posting it?
already addressednarrator statements, and the statements confirmed by narrator. moot.
and they're idiots if they think cancer can kill him but the radiation from nuclear bombs somehow can't, that argument really isn't helping youi never ***** compared nukes to ***** aids wtf? I just used those examples to show that it's not like the US saw Yujiro stroll in and took his word for it, they actually TRIED to kill him multiple times
ad hominem fallacyyou, young man are both illiterate and biased
wait, you use a translator?I literally use a translator to communicate with you.
Yeah, Google and Yandex translate, bro)wait, you use a translator?
what does that mean?
someone is translating this for you?
Use DeepL instead. Its far more reliableYeah, Google and Yandex translate, bro)
your english seemed way too good to be MTLd,Yeah, Google and Yandex translate, bro)
we're arguing about the validity of the statements and if this 7C feat is an outlier since every other feat is consistently tier 9 or 8 at best, since this will scale to literally everyone in the verseIs there any update anyone can give me before I make a statement since this is 7 pages?
Basically the god tier of the verse stopped an earthquake. In a previous thread the feat was considered invalid and this thread aims to bring it back due to no reasons for shooting the feat down. Now it's more close to if the feat happened then how strong was the earthquake? The likely outcomes are mag 5, 5.5 and 6. Most people agree with 6. This is basically the feat:Is there any update anyone can give me before I make a statement since this is 7 pages?
due to no reasons for shooting the feat down
Well various cgm one of which created the thread pretty much gave the ok because it can happen in Baki verse and that's the one we care about.it's physically impossible to perform, that was the reason it got dropped
they stated it doesn't matter since we can just ignore the physical impossibility of the feat and use it, that's the only counterargument they usedWell various cgm one of which created the thread pretty much gave the ok because it can happen in Baki verse and that's the one we care about.
Hmm, I'll try.Use DeepL instead. Its far more reliable
In the last branch of the downgrade, the feat of stopping the earthquake was refuted by me, Therefir and Shmeat, since it is an outlier and we have no other 7 tier feats in the verse since that moment. The outlier is both the feat itself and its implementation, because there is no method of stopping an earthquake with a blow.Is there any update anyone can give me before I make a statement since this is 7 pages?
Seems like its in the 5 range. 6 seems too high
Magnitude 5 | NikHelton, Passerby,@ ByAsura, @HammerStrikes219 |
Magnitude 5.5 | Shmeatywerbenmanjenson, SheevShezarrine, @ByAsura, @HammerStrikes219 |
Magnitude 6 | CloverDragon03, Serlock_Holmes, SheevShezarrine, Shmeatywerbenmanjenson, Maverick_Zero_X, ByAsura |
Ah, alright. I didn't consider that, but it does change my stance
Magnitude 5 NikHelton, Passerby,@ ByAsura, @HammerStrikes219 Magnitude 5.5 Shmeatywerbenmanjenson, SheevShezarrine, @ByAsura, @HammerStrikes219 Magnitude 6 CloverDragon03, Serlock_Holmes, SheevShezarrine, Shmeatywerbenmanjenson, Maverick_Zero_X, ByAsura
These are the current votes. The range 6 quake comes from the fact that Japan is one of the countries with the most intense seismic activity so anything that is considered big there would be at least in the 6 range.
Write down Therefir in support of magnitude 5, please
Magnitude 5 NikHelton, Passerby,@ ByAsura, @HammerStrikes219 Magnitude 5.5 Shmeatywerbenmanjenson, SheevShezarrine, @ByAsura, @HammerStrikes219 Magnitude 6 CloverDragon03, Serlock_Holmes, SheevShezarrine, Shmeatywerbenmanjenson, Maverick_Zero_X, ByAsura
These are the current votes. The range 6 quake comes from the fact that Japan is one of the countries with the most intense seismic activity so anything that is considered big there would be at least in the 6 range.
The earthquake still left no damage. Visually, it looks like a magnitude 5 and all that tells us that this is a "big" earthquake are the words of one characterAh, alright. I didn't consider that, but it does change my stance
Magnitude 6 is fine then
TBF the earthquake was stopped pretty quickly. Its not like the surroundings would've had to instantly crumble for it to be magnitude 6The earthquake still left no damage. Visually, it looks like a magnitude 5 and all that tells us that this is a "big" earthquake are the words of one character
Would you like me to link a previous postes post that went more in depth regarding that? Also thanks for you opinion. Here is the post I was talking about that goes more in depth.TBF the earthquake was stopped pretty quickly. Its not like the surroundings would've had to instantly crumble for it to be magnitude 6
I've made my decision regarding the earthquake
Also one more thing to hammer home at least a 5 magnitude
All the characters are outside in this instance and are nowhere near any buildings
In most of the scales you can find online most point out that Magnitude 5 and above is the point where the shaking becomes noticeable OUTSIDE and not just notable in solid structures like buildings
Here are some examples
Richter scale - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.orgHow are Earthquakes Measured? Magnitude & Intensity Scales
Learn the difference between earthquake magnitude and intensity, and how these scales measure the size and impact of earthquakes. How do earthquakes get measured, and what's the difference between earthquake magnitude and intensity? Visit CEA to find out!www.earthquakeauthority.com
Everyone behind Baki as well as Baki himself were struggling just to stand upright due to the strength of the earthquakes shaking
A magnitude less than 5 would not cause this kind of struggle as 5 and below are not even usually felt by everyone
Also note that these sources clarify that 5 magnitude is usually only "Moderate" shaking which is just more evidence pointing towards Mag 6 for this particular quake
I'm personally fine with anything 5 and above however I personally feel that 6 is the way to go
Magnitude 5 | NikHelton, Passerby,@ ByAsura (voting rights), @HammerStrikes219, Therefir(voting rights),(cgm) |
Magnitude 5.5 | Shmeatywerbenmanjenson, SheevShezarrine, @ByAsura (voting rights), @HammerStrikes219 |
Magnitude 6 | CloverDragon03(cgm), Serlock_Holmes, SheevShezarrine, Shmeatywerbenmanjenson, Maverick_Zero_X (voting rights), ByAsura (voting rights), Lonkitt (voting rights), TheRustyOne(cgm) |
Therefir for 5.0Would you like me to link a previous postes post that went more in depth regarding that? Also thanks for you opinion.
Magnitude 5 NikHelton, Passerby,@ ByAsura, @HammerStrikes219 Magnitude 5.5 Shmeatywerbenmanjenson, SheevShezarrine, @ByAsura, @HammerStrikes219, Therefir Magnitude 6 CloverDragon03, Serlock_Holmes, SheevShezarrine, Shmeatywerbenmanjenson, Maverick_Zero_X, ByAsura, Lonkitt
Okay fixed it and noted which votes count.Therefir for 5.0
Attack Potency =/= Destructive Capacityif that punch was 7C it should went trough and evaporated the rocks it was touching, that what should have happened