(GRACE) Desperado (Rakudai Kishi No Cavalry) Vs The End (Medaka Box)

[SpookyShadow]

I guess it's these two series in a nutshell.

 

[Ionliosite]

Ikki doesn't have a 250.000x stat amp, it was a joke. His stat amp is 500x.

 

[The_Coolest_Water_Bottle]

Medaka doesn't use hax in character.

And most of the time she doesn't dodges the first attack of her opponent, so there's a possiblity Ikki could one shot her.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Ikki doesn't have a 250.000x stat amp, it was a joke. His stat amp is 500x.

Ah

 

[Paul_Frank]

Even if Ikki one shots she just comes back because lolallfiction

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

He doesnt one shots

Ikki just knocks her out with Phantom Form

 

[Paul_Frank]

Knocking her out probably wouldn't work considering it's automatic and you don't need your brain for it to work

Also why would Ikki use phantom form rather than normally hitting her first

 

[Ionliosite]

Does All Fiction restores her stamina?

 

[Paul_Frank]

Yes

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Also why would Ikki use phantom form rather than normally hitting her first

Because he leads with Phantom Form

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Pretty sure that was debunked a while ago along with Trackless Step being opened with

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

He opens with Trackless Step to get close and Phantom Form to knock out

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Earl himself said that it's inconsistent and easier to just say that he doesn't open with it

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Trackless step sure. Phantom form is a pretty leading move.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Oh ok then, my bad

 

[Maruishimaryishi]

Ikki - 2

Medaka - 0

┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬» - 0

 

[Ionliosite]

Are we already FRAing? If so Ikki FRA

 

[The_Coolest_Water_Bottle]

Ikki FRA.

 

[Maruishimaryishi]

Ikki - 4

Medaka - 0

┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬» - 0

 

[Paul_Frank]

What even are the reasons for Ikki

Phantom form still gets countered by lolallfiction

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Not really. Af doesn't make them come back from unconscious. They have to die. Ezumachi abused that very same concept.

Though if this were kumagawa ikki would have been done for. Ikki only wins here cus medaka doesn't lead with hax.

 

[Paul_Frank]

No Ezumachi abused some weird "you aren't actually hurt" loophole he never knocked him unconscious

Even though phantom form doesn't actually hurt your body it still hurts your stamina so it doesn't fall into that loophole

I'm fairly sure Medaka wouldn't just sit there and not do anything if the opponent is this much stronger btw especially considering the fact that, once her strategy of casting fist didn't work on Iihiko she ran through her checklist of abilities

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Yes that's what ikki does too.

It's not stamina manip actually that was retconned. It's miss conversion. It works by making a strong suggestion. So I guess it's a form of you think you're hurt but you're not actually hurt.

Ikki massively outskills though. If medaka closes the gap and attacks she ain't getting outta there without getting hit. Stella who massively dwarfs medaka in both skill and ap said it is almost impossible to beat ikki when he's on the defensive. And stella is far stronger than ikki too.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Actually with desperado ikki, ikki vs kuma would also be fair. Maybe im not sure.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Ikki FRA

 

[Maruishimaryishi]

Ikki FRA

Ikki - 5

Medaka - 0

┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬» - 0

 

[SpookyShadow]

Ikki is so skilled that we don't even need reasons to FRA

 

[Maruishimaryishi]

Ikki is so skilled that we don't even need reasons to FRA

LOLLLLL

 

[Maruishimaryishi]

Bump

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Ikki is so skilled that we don't even need reasons to FRA

Skill is enough of a reason.

 

[Agnaa]

Medaka has no wincon. Ikki stomps.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Medaka has no wincon. Ikki stomps.

Bookmaker: Exists

Medaka's wincond: Doesn't exist

W0t?

 

[Agnaa]

Medaka doesn't Bookmaker in-character. In-character she stands and does nothing, letting the opponent get the first strike, so Ikki wins every time.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

In-character losses aren't stomps though. So this reality warper with several abilities on a 4D level with universal range, gets stomped by a dude with a sword. That's not a stomp, just an in character loss. Otherwise Medaka would only have stomps in character.

 

[Agnaa]

She could have non-stomp matches in character pretty easily. Just don't put her against people with instant-incap hax. Put her against someone in the same tier who can nullify her resurrection.

If in-character guaranteed losses aren't stomps I've got half a dozen matches to make for Medaka.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

>Instant incap hax

A dude who has to close the gap and has to slice her in a vital spot to gain incap.

I mean ugh.

 

[Agnaa]

Sure but the fight just goes, 100/100 times.

>Medaka stands there.

>Ikki walks over and incaps.

>Ikki wins.

It never gets anywhere close to a fair fight.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Medaka doesn't "stand there". She dodges and fight physically, she just doesn't use hax. Her accepting requests doesn't mean "imma just stand here everytime".

 

[Agnaa]

No, she doesn't dodge and fight physically at the start, she lets the opponent get the first blow in fights, we see this constantly throughout the series and it's stated numerous times.

After she takes the first blow she starts dodging and fighting physically, but by that point she's already incapped.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

So basically all of these are stomps huh?

Notable Losses:

Ashe (A House of Many Doors) Ashen's Profile (End God Mode Medaka, Speed Equalized, and Ashen got 2 weeks of preparation time)

Oracle (DotA 2) Oracle's Profile (End God Mode Mekada, Speed Equalized)

Culexus Assassi (Warhammer 40,000) The Assassin's Profile (Medaka was 5-C and speed was equalized)

Sailor Moo (Sailor Moo) Sailor's profile (Both were 5-C and speed was equalized)

Wolfgang Schreiber (Dies Irae) Wolfgang's Profile (Unrestricted Wolfgang was used along with 5-C Medaka being used)

Misogi Kumagawa (Medaka Box) Misogi's Profile (Both were 8-B and speed was unequalized)