Gilgamesh vs Yukari Yakumo (Revisited... Again!)

[FateAlbane]

So, first time Yukari won. Gilgamesh went through revisions and we got a rematch.

And now Gilgamesh used SBA to get more upgrades agai went through some revisions so I'm remaking this again to see what we get out of this.

RULES: Same conditions as the previous match. Speed Equalized, Full Power Gilgamesh vs Yukari , anything goes for both.

 

[Schnee_One]

It was inconclusive actually.

Anyway, Gil EA's her

 

[FateAlbane]

@Gargoyle First match? Yukari won. I was there. Waaaay back, i don't think you were a user back then.

The one we had with the Inconclusive was a rematch.

This is a rematch of the rematch.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Could she not gap away to a gap in space to dodge it?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Justa goanna follow this...

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

To reiterate, could she just not hide in a gap? Ea doesnt have multi dimensional range so she should be safe there.

And she doesn't need to be present to fight, shes shown able to attack through gaps.

Editlus she's > Suika who's effortlessly able to shatter 200,000km+.

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

What would be her offensive capabilities?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Insane Danmaku, melee, some gap shenanigans, like linking places, kinda like portals, she can utilize gaps while not being anywhere close to near by (usually helps out Reimu with them despite not even being there), plus Ea can probably be avoided by hiding within a gap, basically a different dimension.

Don't recall or even know the full utility of her boundary manip though, but she likely has the ap advantage.

 

[FateAlbane]

I think she had some power where she can seal you in/BFR to 2D space if she gets you in a gap or something.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Hell if I know, I ain't sure so I'm only saying what I know, Ea can be avoided with gaps, she can possibly ohko or cripple with a single attack (Above Suika who's effortlessly large planet by shattering heaven on a whim, which is comparable to hell which has a height of 200,000km, let alone width). And she has instances of using gaps to essentially teleport her attacks or people, kilometers away or while somewhere else entirely.

 

[FateAlbane]

I was in the revision thread for BM way back when but it was like, February. Can hardly remember everything discussed there. Found the generally accepted stuff, tho:

- Spatial Manipulation

- A degree of Time Manipulation (as seen when she combines day and night somehow)

- Entering the 2nd Dimension or 2D BFR (Dream/Story/Picture walk)

- Death resistance

- Creation of something/Combining something into a form (2D attack)

- Conventional durability bypass

- Intangibility and Invisibility

- Precognition, boundary perception alone

Limited conceptual destruction and creation

 

[FateAlbane]

She also can isolate people from the battlefield or isolate herself from your everyday reach much like she isolated Gensokyo from the Outside World via Reality/Fantasy boundary.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

That helps a lot, especially since if its done through a gap, she can just gap herself away and do that while not even being in the area.

And they kinda just pop up, so speed equal aint helping that much.

Plus she can avoid Gils big gun.

 

[FateAlbane]

Finally I think she had some specialized form of existence erasure by removing the boundaries between two different things (like, say there's a boundary that separates me from that window over there, she removes that boundary there was never separation between me and the window so yeah). But this last one I kinda never seen being revised, listed or used as an argument so take it with a healthy grain of salty.

This is what I remember of the top of my mind.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Yes, I recall Akyuu stating its a terrifying ability since she could manipulate the boundary between the mountains and sky and remove it making a mesh and she could possibly do that for everything, or something, I forget the exact wording.

 

[Schnee_One]

If Yukari can hide somewhere in order to dodge GoB and has the means to kill Gil, then I vote Yukari via countering the Gate with boundary hiding and Danmaku before sealing him.

 

[FateAlbane]

Let me just point one thing out: I'm putting Yukari's stuff that I know is legit here because I'm well aware that her profile simply listing "Boundary Manipulation" doesn't help much to those not familiar with her at all.

Not because I think one or another wins, as this is just clarification.

 

[FateAlbane]

Anyways, I'll start counting votes.

Gilgamesh:

Yukari: 1 (Gargoyle One)

Inconclusive:

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

I vote Yukari, not only can she avoid Ea by hiding in gaps, she can send Gob's arsenal right back at him (by opening gaps and essentially teleporting them right in front of him).

Also danmaku that cripples or ohkoes.

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

Is that her opening move? It says she rarely fights seriously, which could be a problem for her. Also, I don't see her having a way of knowing what Gil is going to do and what he can do, another problem.

 

[Schnee_One]

No, but she can do it basically instantly, so she's teleporting when Gil so much as spins Ea

 

[FateAlbane]

@J-Man On the AP part, wasn't Gil pretty high above baseline, tho?

Also defensive NPs.

Hax aside for a sec, not seeing how Danmaku is deciding anything here.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Gaps tend to be an opener yes.

And it's pretty obvious, summons weapons outta nowhere, gap to avoid.

Big red swirly sword dislocating space-time that has galaxies spinning around it? That's a huge red flag.

 

[FateAlbane]

@Swag Don't see her using that erasing stuff or 2-D BFR or isolation from the get go, frankly speaking. Gap portals stuff tho is as much her "go-to" method of combat as Gil's method is GoB or Ea so warping around via gaps/boundary will probably happen from the get go.

Gilgamesh:

Yukari: 2 (Gargoyle One, The-JManRequiem)

Inconclusive:

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

Not sure if her regular attacks would work once Ea starts devouring everything.

@Fate

I forgot what was the exact calc. 10 or 20 ninatons I think. Most likely 10.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Gil stomps Kiara who's large planet size, probkem is Yukari scales to being above someone who has a feat above that, done effortlessly, at a whim, and then fixed it by morning.

They're both above baseline, Yukari is just higher from what I can tell.

And she can gap her danmaku right in front of him.

 

[FateAlbane]

Do you have a calc for that?

It's hard to gauge when we're just given "She's higher.", no offense.

 

[FateAlbane]

Also Gil has SNI, he isn't getting surprised by Danmaku of all things.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Nope, it just says Suika shattered heaven, i know where the feat comes from so i can vouch it was done at a whim and with zero effort,

No calc i csn see though, but shattering something like 20x earths suze, in height alone with a gesture(?) And then fixing it by morning is impressive.

And then youre above that person by a decent amount.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

I never said he'd be suprised, if it hits him its gonna hurt like a bitch, and she can essentially teleport it right on top of him, can't do much about that.

 

[FateAlbane]

Here's the thing. Gilgamesh is anywhere between 10 ~ 20 Ninatons going from what SwagPack said.

The cap for Large Planet Level is around 50 Ninatons.

Even if Yukari was at the absolute highest end of the tier she would be around 2.5 times stronger than Gil in raw power, give or take.

So really, I don't see her being significantly above him in raw power to make any difference when we add the hax in play and defensive NPs to the mix.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Maybe so, but still, getting hit by it is still gonna hurt and possibly thousands at once?

I dont think he has a way to avoid that except Rhoa but that's not gonna cover all sides and stop thousands of shots.

Rhoa covers the front, GOB takes out a bunch, but don't think he can stop shots getting gapped right in front of him, even if he knows about it, he's gonna be preoccupied and be hard press to stop it.

 

[FateAlbane]

Nah, her using a bajillion Danmakus to try to overwhelm with numbers, is not my job to argue whether or not it works.

Just clarifying that the AP gap should be nearly a non-factor for all intents and purposes if both are that high and have hax to make up for whatever difference.

 

[Andykhang]

Isn't Yukari herself could manipulate Truth and Lie though? SNI would have to pass through her informational warfare for it to work properly, or else Gil is going to be lead to a wrong path.

Anyway, vote for Yukari. Even before he could managed to activate Ea, she would have either stole that thing first, or slice off his hand first.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Let's not go wild here, I think she wins pretty handily as of now but that's stretching it a tad.

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

How would her attacks behave once Space around Gilgamesh is devoured by Ea?

I doubt she could fool Gilgamesh and his SNI.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

>fool

I never said fool, I even said it wouldn't surprise him.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

If you're talking to Andy then, can't say.

Edit: I can't say how they'd act, regardless, Ea aint hitting her.

- Spatial Manipulation

- A degree of Time Manipulation (as seen when she combines day and night somehow)

- Entering the 2nd Dimension or 2D BFR (Dream/Story/Picture walk)

- Death resistance

- Creation of something/Combining something into a form (2D attack)

- Conventional durability bypass

- Intangibility and Invisibility

- Precognition, boundary perception alone

Limited conceptual destruction and creation, BFR and existence erasure, all are uneffected by space devouring (shamlesslly copied from fate).

 

[Andykhang]

How would her attacks behave once Space around Gilgamesh is devoured by Ea?

I doubt she could fool Gilgamesh and his SNI.

Depend on the nature of the gap, I would said. Though when the thing is between gap, and EA is turned on...I doubt itself would survive nicely (also it's more expedient to just let the damn thing pierce himself before he activate it, or like I said before, stole the thing).

Mind you that SNI itself is not omnipotent. It only shown all of the possible move, kinda like chess, so if he done the right move yet she still done the right move, then the result isn't as clear cut at you thought. And moreover, this thing's usefulness is still effected by his own mentality, and messing with mind is what Yukari excel at. His own arrogant and pride would let him to make move that he know will played into her hand, yet still does.

...Again, and this still doesn't involved bending truth. I think she would have more than enough capability to at least slightly bend an image of the future, if she could bend the boundary between the moon in the surface, and the moon on the sky...or bend the entire Gensokyo into it current shape (with help)

 

[FateAlbane]

And thus, slowly but surely, the thread gives its first steps into exaggeration and speculation territory.

And here I went to the trouble of actually finding the legit stuff that was accepted in the CRTs of the past to avoid this.

Seems like it was wasted effort.