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I'm still there but that might not make much of a difference since I don't have much to contribute.
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Genshin Impact GenRevs #02: Speed, Range and Other Stuff
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Vietthai96
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I've heard of that but I'm not affected.
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Honestly i forgot that you're one of GI supporters as well lel
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I added myself to the list just yesterday.
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Bump!!
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I've heard about that. But what happened anyway.
I was unable to play Genshin during that time due to circumstances.
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People were unsatisfied with the anniversary rewards or something like that.
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Well Mihoyo give player x10 free pull or something like that, tbh i'm not playing GI, just watching Youtube about the game. But player start compare the reward with other gacha games anniversary reward and rage, and they start bombing review the game with 1 star on Google Play and App Store, they also bombing other game like Azur Lane, LoL: Wild Rift, etc....to force Mihoyo to notice. Well a very bad time period, and well they decide to give player more reward due to the drama
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Sounds pretty immature to me.
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This is getting kinda derailing . . .
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It'd probably be closer to Subsonic though. Childe is flashing all around with the Ruin Guards which is consistent with his boss fight and Kazuha is also moving faster than the eye can see in the video. There is also Jean's feat in the Genshin Impact manga of moving so fast that Amber couldn't see her.
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So what's the state of the argument now? Sorry I don't really have the time to keep up.
@RatherClueless I'd really appreciate it if you joined the Discord server. It'd be a lot easier to talk to you about revisions since it's the only medium that's readily available to me with how busy I am. Arguing on the forums is just a pointless headache since mobile sucks for this site and I'm only able to access my laptop on weekends.
@RatherClueless I'd really appreciate it if you joined the Discord server. It'd be a lot easier to talk to you about revisions since it's the only medium that's readily available to me with how busy I am. Arguing on the forums is just a pointless headache since mobile sucks for this site and I'm only able to access my laptop on weekends.
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Bruh, Clueless is Rather.
Anyway, i guess this thread gonna need a month or more to finish. Would just applying the thing that accepted okay since only the speed is being contended right now.
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I would be fine with that.
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still needs staff approval you can try asking for staff help in their message wall or help request thread
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I was the one that suggested it sorry. I'll keep that in mind
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Yeah I didn't really notice
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Aside from the speed calculation the magic range scaling from Razor was also contested.
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Aren't the elemental resistances being contested too?
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@Veloxt1r0kore I guess you are referring to this?
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Right
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It's not even accepted yet >. >
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It's about applying the things that were already accepted. It was already pointed out that speed, magic range scaling and the resistance justification based on Chongyun were contested.
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Contested
1 lightning dodge speed - Massively Hypersonic speed
2 Same element resistance - Vision user resisting their respective Element
3 Storm Range - Razor Magic Range
Accepted
1 Lightning resistance - Bale thunder resistance which kills human in seconds
2 Bow User Range - Bow user range
1 lightning dodge speed - Massively Hypersonic speed
2 Same element resistance - Vision user resisting their respective Element
3 Storm Range - Razor Magic Range
Accepted
1 Lightning resistance - Bale thunder resistance which kills human in seconds
2 Bow User Range - Bow user range
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For the record, I think that everything in the OP seems uncontroversial, although you need to link to the justification blog and other evidence when applying it.
Yesterday a new member applied the speed changes, without linking to the relevant calculation blog within the pages, or to this thread in the edit summary boxes, so I didn't remember this thread and reverted it all.
Yesterday a new member applied the speed changes, without linking to the relevant calculation blog within the pages, or to this thread in the edit summary boxes, so I didn't remember this thread and reverted it all.
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Please explain why it is contested. Has the calculation not been accepted for example?
Okay. That is probably fine then.
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And that's me, once the thread is finished I'll just add everything.
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Speed
The calc is accepted but what's being contested is whether it is real lightning or not and it's pretty much an impasse at this point so evaluation is being requested at this point
also want to bring up this more speed support aside from what I already brought up that Ratherclueless argued against.
Range
Shouldn't really scale since its a magic range specific for Razor and Lisa for creating a storm by using one of their magic and is a single feat
Elemental Resistance for Eula and Chongyun
doesn't look contested when i backread just have different reasoning for each of their resistance I guess this is accepted as well?
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for more detail about the lightning
there are cases where electro is used in a way that they don't move at lightning speed and electricity speed
there are also some cases where they are literally undodgeable and in cinematics, they make a big deal about moving at lightning speed rather than something common which is contradictory if every fighter and character in this game can move at near and lightning speed also argued that it could be dodge via aim dodging which is how you do it in the game mostly
there are cases where electro is used in a way that they don't move at lightning speed and electricity speed
there are also some cases where they are literally undodgeable and in cinematics, they make a big deal about moving at lightning speed rather than something common which is contradictory if every fighter and character in this game can move at near and lightning speed also argued that it could be dodge via aim dodging which is how you do it in the game mostly
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We already have characters basically teleporting by turning into lightning, like with Cicin Mages and Lisa. Just because some applications of the lightning powers don't necessarily line up with actual lightning speed doesn't mean the lightning itself isn't real electricity. We already have evidence of:
- Superconductivity (Electro+Cryo reaction).
- Muscle contraction on affected people (Electro+Hydro reaction).
- Moving at speeds comparable to lightning (people transforming into lightning to move way faster than everyone else on-screen, or straight up transforming into electrons to basically teleport).
- Displays of cloud to ground lightning (from Cicin Mages, Razor, Lisa, Fischl, etc.)
*note that just because the actual VFX does not extend to the sky does not disqualify this due to the limits of the game's rendering engine. - AP of said lightning attacks being well above the energy output of actual lightning, with the latter being 1.6 billion joules (8-C) while the former being at minimum 8.5e15 joules; thousands of times greater.
- In-universe statements of Electro being the natural element of electricity, making it - at least in-universe - considered as "real lightning" as could possibly be.
Even in spite of the little bit of evidence against lightning speed, the overwhelming majority of feats, and even the math, all line up. There should be no problem with considering Electro real lightning.
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The calc itself is being contested as well.
Well, the thing that is contensted is that all vision users should get specific resistance to their elements based on their vision. Eula and Chongyun should have some amount of cold resistance via their feats.
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The only thing it has in common with actual superconduction is the name.
They don't turn into lightning but coverthemselves with it. It can be seen in the animations. This is also more of an anti feat, as all depictions of this are always slower than actual lightning, including a literal scene of someone moving like this, just to then be hit by actual lightning, moving as fast as actual lightning. We also have a cinematic with several characters fighting in real time and nobody was moving even close to lightning speeds. Teleportation is not an electro exclusive feat. Cryo Cicin mages and all abyss mages teleport too and Mirror Maidens can open a literal portal. This is not a speed feat.
ok then
That is by no means the only issue here.
Little evidence? Are you for real? Did you even read this thread? There is way more evidence against it than for it.
Seriously:
Pro:
+Behaves like electricity in some cases (muscle twitching)
+Can summon real lightning
+Some calc I'd really love to see says that the lightning used is 1k times stronger
+In game statements of it being comparable to the in game natural electricity (not sure where that statement is from tho. I'd have to check.)
Con:
-It makes no sense in terms of scaling, as characters like Razor and Lisa need "an extended casting time" to summon real lightning, while someone like a cicin mage can casually cast it.
-The Raiden Shogun, even after having witnessed the traveler fight before, feels as if it is necessary to show them that "lightning can strike without clouds". She also makes it sound as if it isn't something just any old vision user can do (which makes sense since Lisa and Razor need clouds to summon natural lightning).
-All natural lightning and other situations where it would plausibly only ever be lightning speed happen at 1 frame (The cicin mages shield or the Electro Slimes's arc.), making it clear that this isn't "game limitations". They can if they want and they do.
-Electro Slimes are pure electro energy and are by no means fast
-Tons of cutscenes, including undeniably real time cutscenes, depict characters as vastly slower, be it movement speed or combat speed
-Many attacks just straight up dont look like/behave like lightning would ever behave or are so slow that "gamemechanics/gamelimitations" simply can't be reasonably argued anymore.
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they are slow naturally but they emit electro energy especially when mutant electro slime which acts as a lightning rod of some sort for the mutant. no one argued they move fast but they are capable of generating attacks that is lightning speed alongside mutant one. that's what I argued about but then you just said it's undodgeable so go on.
either way there's really no way to move forward and we can just go back and forth over and over.
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Okay. Please do so properly this time, by linking to the calculation blog in the relevant speed sections, and add links to this thread in the small edit summary boxes, for example.
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