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How do you interpret Deadly Green then?
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General DC Comics Discussion Thread
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Vondoom
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Doesn't matter as it isn't contradictory.
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How? In the original comic TGD was an aspect of Lucifer, now Lucifer is TGD's avatar.
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Doesn’t have to be explicitly stated. If you are arguing Lucifer is not an avatar, you would be arguing TGD is an aspect of not only Lucifer, but also Trigon and UDM. That’s obviously illogical. If you are saying he’s an aspect of only Lucifer, you would need to explain why you are conveniently leaving out Trigon and UDM.
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Also the tweet didn't say TGD was an avatar, it said it was a version of Lucifer. Besides, 2018 itself implied the Presence created Lucifer.
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TGD IS not aspect or avatar of lucifer, lucifer is TGD.
If you look other way around the deadly green event is more like lucifer showing what he has ever been just like in the 2018 comic, and ofcourse the last one shown is lucifer like that average fiction cliche where villain show his true face after showing all his other faces throughout history
Vondoom
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One was stated to be others weeen
Then TGD is Lucifer morningstar.
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UDM was stated to be TGD
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What do you mean?
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so dc will no longer have tier 0 i heard, but will it no longer have tier 1-A either?
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Its still going under revision brah
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but what will the tiers be after the revisions are complete.
i'm just curious because it means DC is stepping down.
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we dont know yet because there will be a DC discussion soon discussing the tiers
CURRENTLY tho, grants cosmology will be 1-A, Vertigo cosmology is possibly 1-A and dematteis cosmology is 1-A
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it feels sad though that comics are getting downgraded now
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Pre retcon beyonder is still boundless in tik tok
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we don't talk about tik tok
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pre retcon beyonder Is extraversal omniversal on comicvine
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Tier issues will be discussed further that I saw in the DC Comics revision thread
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Dc and Marvel comic characters are over hyped from the beginning . They are extremely inconsistent . Split cosmology was needed because even herald tier characters would scale to 1A composite cosmology
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Scans
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In fact, it was stated TGD was a sliver of UDM https://imgur.io/CXQb5xa
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That darkness is TGD. Stated in UDM's profile
Vondoom
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The darkness isn't and justification is wrong.
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Why?
Vondoom
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The darkness isn't a silver of UDM.
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Which Darkness destroyed Giovanni? Great Darkness, right? It's the same Darkness.
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I remember when it transformed into Lucifer it seemed to refer the dark realm (TGD) as its door. Not anything major just found that interesting.
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Dinoanime7
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Here’s the problem tho, the context of darkness is what will matter. For example, in Lucifer 2018, they literally referred Lucifer being the darkness, opposite of Presence’s light.
So by your argument, Lucifer would be TGD since he’s outright stated to be the darkness of the Presence’s light. In fact it will make more sense than TGD being a silver of Upside Down Man’s power.
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The whole "sliver" thing was always iffy. Lucifer (2018) was extremely concrete about the original Swamp Thing Great Darkness being one of Lucifer's avatars and Lucifer being perfect darkness that is the opposite of the perfect light of the Presence. This even directly mirrors the Light/Darkness origin story from Infinite Frontier.
The Deadly Green scene where the Darkness shifts through Avatars and finally transforms to Lucifer does not necessitate that we interpret Lucifer as being an avatar, nor that he is on the same level as UDM and Trigon. That comic was written by Dan Watters who wrote Lucifer, it's not prudent to think he up-ended his own story for no reason. More accurately, it's likely that the fact that he transformed into Lucifer last is indicative of his true identity.
I had a more thorough post on this, but I agree that the UDM profile needs to be corrected because the scaling to the Great Darkness was always pretty ridiculous.
The Deadly Green scene where the Darkness shifts through Avatars and finally transforms to Lucifer does not necessitate that we interpret Lucifer as being an avatar, nor that he is on the same level as UDM and Trigon. That comic was written by Dan Watters who wrote Lucifer, it's not prudent to think he up-ended his own story for no reason. More accurately, it's likely that the fact that he transformed into Lucifer last is indicative of his true identity.
I had a more thorough post on this, but I agree that the UDM profile needs to be corrected because the scaling to the Great Darkness was always pretty ridiculous.
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I agree with this.
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Same
Vondoom
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A silver of the darkness power.
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We're not using author/writer statements much less from Twitter.
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lol i think TGD origin is the one who retconned
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Anyway do we actually accept TGD being an avatar of Lucifer or something
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Why does Lucifer have Immeasurable speed in wiki?
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i dont think so, debate above us is the proof
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If we don't there's no reason to debate here, that would just clog up the thread. If anyone feels like changing this then they can make a CRT, though waiting for the split to end first would be better. Once the split ends, TGD from JLD, Vertigo, and Deadly Green would be different.
