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How do you interpret Deadly Green then?Nothing shows either of Lucifer or UDM are aspects of TGD.
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How do you interpret Deadly Green then?Nothing shows either of Lucifer or UDM are aspects of TGD.
Doesn't matter as it isn't contradictory.That author tweet came before Dark Crisis, Dark Crisis retconned it. TGD was showing all its avatars in Deadly Green and Lucifer was the last shown avatar, TGD literally showed Trigon and UDM before it, and TGD isn't their avatar.
How? In the original comic TGD was an aspect of Lucifer, now Lucifer is TGD's avatar.Doesn't matter as it isn't contradictory.
Doesn’t have to be explicitly stated. If you are arguing Lucifer is not an avatar, you would be arguing TGD is an aspect of not only Lucifer, but also Trigon and UDM. That’s obviously illogical. If you are saying he’s an aspect of only Lucifer, you would need to explain why you are conveniently leaving out Trigon and UDM.Lucifer is never stated to be an avatar of the darkness in Dark Crisis stop implying it, but it was shown and acknowledged by an author.
Also the tweet didn't say TGD was an avatar, it said it was a version of Lucifer. Besides, 2018 itself implied the Presence created Lucifer.I remember an author tweet saying its an avatar of lucifer so yes it's an avatar, It means lucifer origin got retconned and wasn't created by the presence.
Doesn’t have to be explicitly stated. If you are arguing Lucifer is not an avatar, you would be arguing TGD is an aspect of not only Lucifer, but also Trigon and UDM. That’s obviously illogical. If you are saying he’s an aspect of only Lucifer, you would need to explain why you are conveniently leaving out Trigon and UDM.
One was stated to be others weeenDoesn’t have to be explicitly stated. If you are arguing Lucifer is not an avatar, you would be arguing TGD is an aspect of not only Lucifer, but also Trigon and UDM. That’s obviously illogical. If you are saying he’s an aspect of only Lucifer, you would need to explain why you are conveniently leaving out Trigon and UDM.
Then TGD is Lucifer morningstar.Also the tweet didn't say TGD was an avatar, it said it was a version of Lucifer. Besides, 2018 itself implied the Presence created Lucifer.
UDM was stated to be TGDOne was stated to be others weeen
What do you mean?One was stated to be others weeen
Its still going under revision brahso dc will no longer have tier 0 i heard, but will it no longer have tier 1-A either?
but what will the tiers be after the revisions are complete.Its still going under revision brah
we dont know yet because there will be a DC discussion soon discussing the tiersbut what will the tiers be after the revisions are complete.
i'm just curious because it means DC is stepping down.
we dont know yet because there will be a DC discussion soon discussing the tiers
CURRENTLY tho, grants cosmology will be 1-A, Vertigo cosmology is possibly 1-A and dematteis cosmology is 1-A
Pre retcon beyonder is still boundless in tik tokit feels sad though that comics are getting downgraded now
we don't talk about tik tokPre retcon beyonder is still boundless in tik tok
Tier issues will be discussed further that I saw in the DC Comics revision threadso dc will no longer have tier 0 i heard, but will it no longer have tier 1-A either?
Dc and Marvel comic characters are over hyped from the beginning . They are extremely inconsistent . Split cosmology was needed because even herald tier characters would scale to 1A composite cosmologyso dc will no longer have tier 0 i heard, but will it no longer have tier 1-A either?
ScansUDM was stated to be TGD
In fact, it was stated TGD was a sliver of UDM https://imgur.io/CXQb5xaScans
That darkness is TGD. Stated in UDM's profileThe darkness that destroyed me was a silver of their power not the great darkness is a silver of UDM.
The darkness isn't and justification is wrong.That darkness is TGD. Stated in UDM's profile
Why?The darkness isn't and justification is wrong.
The darkness isn't a silver of UDM.Why?
Which Darkness destroyed Giovanni? Great Darkness, right? It's the same Darkness.The darkness that destroyed me was a silver of their power not the great darkness is a silver of UDM.
I remember when it transformed into Lucifer it seemed to refer the dark realm (TGD) as its door. Not anything major just found that interesting.TGD IS not aspect or avatar of lucifer, lucifer is TGD.
If you look other way around the deadly green event is more like lucifer showing what he has ever been just like in the 2018 comic, and ofcourse the last one shown is lucifer like that average fiction cliche where villain show his true face after showing all his other faces throughout history
Here’s the problem tho, the context of darkness is what will matter. For example, in Lucifer 2018, they literally referred Lucifer being the darkness, opposite of Presence’s light.Which Darkness destroyed Giovanni? Great Darkness, right? It's the same Darkness.
I agree with this.I had a more thorough post on this, but I agree that the UDM profile needs to be corrected because the scaling to the Great Darkness was always pretty ridiculous.
SameI agree with this.
A silver of the darkness power.Which Darkness destroyed Giovanni? Great Darkness, right? It's the same Darkness.
We're not using author/writer statements much less from Twitter.I remember an author tweet saying its an avatar of lucifer so yes it's an avatar, It means lucifer origin got retconned and wasn't created by the presence.
i dont think so, debate above us is the proofAnyway do we actually accept TGD being an avatar of Lucifer or something
If we don't there's no reason to debate here, that would just clog up the thread. If anyone feels like changing this then they can make a CRT, though waiting for the split to end first would be better. Once the split ends, TGD from JLD, Vertigo, and Deadly Green would be different.i dont think so, debate above us is the proof