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but what will the tiers be after the revisions are complete.Its still going under revision brah
i'm just curious because it means DC is stepping down.
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General DC Comics Discussion Thread
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i'm just curious because it means DC is stepping down.
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we dont know yet because there will be a DC discussion soon discussing the tiers
CURRENTLY tho, grants cosmology will be 1-A, Vertigo cosmology is possibly 1-A and dematteis cosmology is 1-A
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it feels sad though that comics are getting downgraded now
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Pre retcon beyonder is still boundless in tik tok
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we don't talk about tik tok
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pre retcon beyonder Is extraversal omniversal on comicvine
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Tier issues will be discussed further that I saw in the DC Comics revision thread
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Dc and Marvel comic characters are over hyped from the beginning . They are extremely inconsistent . Split cosmology was needed because even herald tier characters would scale to 1A composite cosmology
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Scans
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In fact, it was stated TGD was a sliver of UDM https://imgur.io/CXQb5xa
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That darkness is TGD. Stated in UDM's profile
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The darkness isn't and justification is wrong.
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Why?
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The darkness isn't a silver of UDM.
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Which Darkness destroyed Giovanni? Great Darkness, right? It's the same Darkness.
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I remember when it transformed into Lucifer it seemed to refer the dark realm (TGD) as its door. Not anything major just found that interesting.
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Here’s the problem tho, the context of darkness is what will matter. For example, in Lucifer 2018, they literally referred Lucifer being the darkness, opposite of Presence’s light.
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/977551328723238913/996542912370311188/image1.jpg
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/977551328723238913/996542912651341894/image3.jpg
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/977551328723238913/996542912995278979/image4.jpg
So by your argument, Lucifer would be TGD since he’s outright stated to be the darkness of the Presence’s light. In fact it will make more sense than TGD being a silver of Upside Down Man’s power.
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The whole "sliver" thing was always iffy. Lucifer (2018) was extremely concrete about the original Swamp Thing Great Darkness being one of Lucifer's avatars and Lucifer being perfect darkness that is the opposite of the perfect light of the Presence. This even directly mirrors the Light/Darkness origin story from Infinite Frontier.
The Deadly Green scene where the Darkness shifts through Avatars and finally transforms to Lucifer does not necessitate that we interpret Lucifer as being an avatar, nor that he is on the same level as UDM and Trigon. That comic was written by Dan Watters who wrote Lucifer, it's not prudent to think he up-ended his own story for no reason. More accurately, it's likely that the fact that he transformed into Lucifer last is indicative of his true identity.
I had a more thorough post on this, but I agree that the UDM profile needs to be corrected because the scaling to the Great Darkness was always pretty ridiculous.
The Deadly Green scene where the Darkness shifts through Avatars and finally transforms to Lucifer does not necessitate that we interpret Lucifer as being an avatar, nor that he is on the same level as UDM and Trigon. That comic was written by Dan Watters who wrote Lucifer, it's not prudent to think he up-ended his own story for no reason. More accurately, it's likely that the fact that he transformed into Lucifer last is indicative of his true identity.
I had a more thorough post on this, but I agree that the UDM profile needs to be corrected because the scaling to the Great Darkness was always pretty ridiculous.
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I agree with this.
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Same
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A silver of the darkness power.
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We're not using author/writer statements much less from Twitter.
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lol i think TGD origin is the one who retconned
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Anyway do we actually accept TGD being an avatar of Lucifer or something
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Why does Lucifer have Immeasurable speed in wiki?
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i dont think so, debate above us is the proof
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If we don't there's no reason to debate here, that would just clog up the thread. If anyone feels like changing this then they can make a CRT, though waiting for the split to end first would be better. Once the split ends, TGD from JLD, Vertigo, and Deadly Green would be different.
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Its because he tore apart distance and time with those wings
wings give him a speed boost coz without them, it took him forever (9 days) to get to the house of windowless rooms
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Tearing distance and time is Immeasurable? Then why don't we give guys who not only tore them but actually destroyed them Immeasurable? Pretty confusing standards indeed.
Also, the scan for him tearing space and time also says he viewed them as illusions, and another scan said Lucifer viewed them as a book. I think those can be used for his Low 1-C rating(in the split).
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this was when immeasurable speed was acceptable back then so yeah
iv'e never seen a character who can literally destroy linear time before. only people who are beyond linear time
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actually nvm i remember there was a thread about TGD is Lucifer, if i remember correctly its accepted but profiles 2000-2016 and 2018 are separate
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The Darkest Knight and Perpetua came pretty close to it, and both them and the Hands were stated to be able to destroy(and create) it.
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Destroying time is not Immeasurable, I confirmed with a Tiering expert on Discord.
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What happened to pralaya again?
where did she come from?
where did she come from?
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It's in the comic.
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She was in a JM DeMatteis comic and never appeared outside a couple issues.
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Can I see it?
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To be more specific, the comic itself didn't say TGD is an avatar of Lucifer, the comic showed some versions that Lucifer could be and the Great Darkness was one of them.
Even then, we know TGD's hand(which was what the comic showed) is Empty Hand from JLI, so applying our current knowledge to that, the comic was only referencing Empty Hand.
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Well, that arm could also just be another beast form of lucifer. You know, something similar to real life depictions of the devil.
