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Its because he tore apart distance and time with those wingsWhy does Lucifer have Immeasurable speed in wiki?
wings give him a speed boost coz without them, it took him forever (9 days) to get to the house of windowless rooms
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Its because he tore apart distance and time with those wingsWhy does Lucifer have Immeasurable speed in wiki?
Tearing distance and time is Immeasurable? Then why don't we give guys who not only tore them but actually destroyed them Immeasurable? Pretty confusing standards indeed.Its because he tore apart distance and time with those wings
this was when immeasurable speed was acceptable back then so yeahTearing distance and time is Immeasurable? Then why don't we give guys who not only tore them but actually destroyed them Immeasurable? Pretty confusing standards indeed.
actually nvm i remember there was a thread about TGD is Lucifer, if i remember correctly its accepted but profiles 2000-2016 and 2018 are separateIf we don't there's no reason to debate here, that would just clog up the thread. If anyone feels like changing this then they can make a CRT, though waiting for the split to end first would be better. Once the split ends, TGD from JLD, Vertigo, and Deadly Green would be different.
The Darkest Knight and Perpetua came pretty close to it, and both them and the Hands were stated to be able to destroy(and create) it.iv'e never seen a character who can literally destroy linear time before. only people who are beyond linear time
It's in the comic.We're not using author/writer statements much less from Twitter.
She was in a JM DeMatteis comic and never appeared outside a couple issues.What happened to pralaya again?
where did she come from?
Can I see it?It's in the comic.
To be more specific, the comic itself didn't say TGD is an avatar of Lucifer, the comic showed some versions that Lucifer could be and the Great Darkness was one of them.Can I see it?
Well, that arm could also just be another beast form of lucifer. You know, something similar to real life depictions of the devil.To be more specific, the comic itself didn't say TGD is an avatar of Lucifer, the comic showed some versions that Lucifer could be and the Great Darkness was one of them.
Even then, we know TGD's hand(which was what the comic showed) is Empty Hand from JLI, so applying our current knowledge to that, the comic was only referencing Empty Hand.
Ok, so does Lucifer actually have any Immeasurable speed feats or do we just have him there because Incredulity?Destroying time is not Immeasurable, I confirmed with a Tiering expert on Discord.
You can argue him going around the whole creation is immesurable speed.Ok, so does Lucifer actually have any Immeasurable speed feats or do we just have him there because Incredulity?
I don't remember the feat very well, but if he did go through all of creation then yeah, it's infinite or immeasurable (idk which), but it has to be added to profileYou can argue him going around the whole creation is immesurable speed.
It would be immesurable because he traversed spaces outside time and space.I don't remember the feat very well, but if he did go through all of creation then yeah, it's infinite or immeasurable (idk which), but it has to be added to profile
That should be added to his profile thenIt would be immesurable because he traversed spaces outside time and space.
It was pretty clearly the hand from Swamp Thing even before it was confirmed by Dan. I don't see the utility in pretending it isn't what it is.Well, that arm could also just be another beast form of lucifer.
This qualifies for immeasurable speed.Also, the scan for him tearing space and time also says he viewed them as illusions, and another scan said Lucifer viewed them as a book. I think those can be used for his Low 1-C rating(in the split).
we dont know if he tore apart linear time or anythingThis qualifies for immeasurable speed.
Tearing space and time isn't Immeasurable, I confirmed with experts. Tearing space and time is just space-time manipulation.This qualifies for immeasurable speed.
I know but seeing seeing space and time as illusions is more of immeasurable.transcending time and space dont qualify for immeasurable speed anymore
Space-time hax.Tearing space and time isn't Immeasurable, I confirmed with experts. Tearing space and time is just space-time manipulation.
Walking in a realm which views space-time as an illusion is Immeasurable however.
it all depends on contextI know but seeing seeing space and time as illusions is more of immeasurable.
Space-time hax.
I thought you said he viewed them as illusions?
Viewing as illusion alone isn't but moving in a realm which views them as illusion is.I know but seeing seeing space and time as illusions is more of immeasurable.
Space-time hax.
I thought you said he viewed them as illusions?
If time is nothing but mere illusions to you, isn't that immeasurable speed?Viewing as illusion alone isn't but moving in a realm which views them as illusion is.
If then that's immeasurable speed.In this context, lucifer seeing time as an illusion might be linear time
time can mean linear or non linearIf time is nothing but mere illusions to you, isn't that immeasurable speed?
Not necessarily, but that does give you Tier 1 AP/DurabilityIf time is nothing but mere illusions to you, isn't that immeasurable speed?
Sure, I just want that to be added to his profileIf then that's immeasurable speed.
Not necessarily, but that does give you Tier 1 AP/Durability
Not really, viewing something as an illusion is a qualitative superiority. Qualitatively transcending space-time is Low 1-C at the very least.
that heavily contradicts the qualifications for tier 1 in the tiering system
ohhhh yeahNot really, viewing something as an illusion is a qualitative superiority. Qualitatively transcending space-time is Low 1-C at the very least.
Is everyone else okay with giving Post-Flashpoint Batman "likely Magic" based on this?
I meant time and time is linear, I don't know of non linear time can you clarify more?time can mean linear or non linear
linear time is the immeasurable speed stuff like past present future
and non linear time doesn't qualify for immeasurable obv
No, it’s not. Literally on the next page, Spectre says that he let Batman kick him.
This should be a meme where Batman kicks (X character who he can never ever beat, for example any tier 0)
honestly one of the worst cases of outlier and PIS
Batman is overrated
I mean, multiversal level being even being moved by a normal person is just ridiculous.No, it’s not. Literally on the next page, Spectre says that he let Batman kick him.
Not when it let him do it.I mean, multiversal level being even being moved by a normal person is just ridiculous.
But he screams on the panel....Not when it let him do it.