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lol i think TGD origin is the one who retconned
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General DC Comics Discussion Thread
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Anyway do we actually accept TGD being an avatar of Lucifer or something
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Why does Lucifer have Immeasurable speed in wiki?
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i dont think so, debate above us is the proof
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If we don't there's no reason to debate here, that would just clog up the thread. If anyone feels like changing this then they can make a CRT, though waiting for the split to end first would be better. Once the split ends, TGD from JLD, Vertigo, and Deadly Green would be different.
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Its because he tore apart distance and time with those wings
wings give him a speed boost coz without them, it took him forever (9 days) to get to the house of windowless rooms
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Tearing distance and time is Immeasurable? Then why don't we give guys who not only tore them but actually destroyed them Immeasurable? Pretty confusing standards indeed.
Also, the scan for him tearing space and time also says he viewed them as illusions, and another scan said Lucifer viewed them as a book. I think those can be used for his Low 1-C rating(in the split).
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this was when immeasurable speed was acceptable back then so yeah
iv'e never seen a character who can literally destroy linear time before. only people who are beyond linear time
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actually nvm i remember there was a thread about TGD is Lucifer, if i remember correctly its accepted but profiles 2000-2016 and 2018 are separate
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The Darkest Knight and Perpetua came pretty close to it, and both them and the Hands were stated to be able to destroy(and create) it.
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Destroying time is not Immeasurable, I confirmed with a Tiering expert on Discord.
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What happened to pralaya again?
where did she come from?
where did she come from?
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It's in the comic.
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She was in a JM DeMatteis comic and never appeared outside a couple issues.
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Can I see it?
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To be more specific, the comic itself didn't say TGD is an avatar of Lucifer, the comic showed some versions that Lucifer could be and the Great Darkness was one of them.
Even then, we know TGD's hand(which was what the comic showed) is Empty Hand from JLI, so applying our current knowledge to that, the comic was only referencing Empty Hand.
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Well, that arm could also just be another beast form of lucifer. You know, something similar to real life depictions of the devil.
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Ok, so does Lucifer actually have any Immeasurable speed feats or do we just have him there because Incredulity?
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You can argue him going around the whole creation is immesurable speed.
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I don't remember the feat very well, but if he did go through all of creation then yeah, it's infinite or immeasurable (idk which), but it has to be added to profile
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It would be immesurable because he traversed spaces outside time and space.
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That should be added to his profile then
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It was pretty clearly the hand from Swamp Thing even before it was confirmed by Dan. I don't see the utility in pretending it isn't what it is.
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I think some cosmic tiers of DC need infinite/immeasurable speed. Should the proposals wait for after the split?
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I feel like every time I come in here, it’s just people talking about Tier 1 characters kek
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Vondoom
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This qualifies for immeasurable speed.
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we dont know if he tore apart linear time or anything
transcending time and space dont qualify for immeasurable speed anymore
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Tearing space and time isn't Immeasurable, I confirmed with experts. Tearing space and time is just space-time manipulation.
Walking in a realm which views space-time as an illusion is Immeasurable however.
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I know but seeing seeing space and time as illusions is more of immeasurable.
Space-time hax.
I thought you said he viewed them as illusions?
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it all depends on context
In this context, lucifer seeing time as an illusion might be linear time
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Viewing as illusion alone isn't but moving in a realm which views them as illusion is.
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If time is nothing but mere illusions to you, isn't that immeasurable speed?
If then that's immeasurable speed.
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time can mean linear or non linear
linear time is the immeasurable speed stuff like past present future
and non linear time doesn't qualify for immeasurable obv
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Not necessarily, but that does give you Tier 1 AP/Durability
Sure, I just want that to be added to his profile
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Not really, viewing something as an illusion is a qualitative superiority. Qualitatively transcending space-time is Low 1-C at the very least.
that heavily contradicts the qualifications for tier 1 in the tiering system
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ohhhh yeah
i get it now
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I meant time and time is linear, I don't know of non linear time can you clarify more?
