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As in, 1 level of infinity above the creations it contains.is 1 level of transcendence like 1 layer above baseline outer or something?
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As in, 1 level of infinity above the creations it contains.is 1 level of transcendence like 1 layer above baseline outer or something?
Damn, so its not even 1-AAs in, 1 level of infinity above the creations it contains.
From my impression, Ultima used to assign complete aleph-level or beyond transcendence tiers far too easily, but seems to have reconsidered this approach more recently. Then again, higher-order mathematics are not my area.im not even sure how they got possibly 1-A
I don't know. It depends on how we scale those creations. The prior discussion was just about if it was 1-A by default based on the FAQ, which was a little vague.Damn, so its not even 1-A
Is supposedly intended to refer to dimensions?"It is a matter of perception. There is no time here. And no space. So all things are layered on themselves endlessly and perception twists around its own axis until its blinded by fullness, crippled by infinite repetition,"
I don't necessarily want him to scale to the wall. But removing the staff from that should put him above his current tier, wouldn't it?Tbh I'd barely call it a feat. That won't scale him to the wall.
I can't overstate how opposed I am to the idea of upgrading a character based on removing a staff from the Source Wall rather than combat feats. I don't think it's scalable, period.But removing the staff from that should put him above his current tier, wouldn't it?
Just Lifting strength my friend.I can't overstate how opposed I am to the idea of upgrading a character based on removing a staff from the Source Wall rather than combat feats. I don't think it's scalable, period.
How heavy is the staff?Just Lifting strength my friend.
Even if they are dimensions, it needs to be qualitatively superior to each otherHigher dimensions being irrelevant to a structures size is most probably 1-A from what i understand
But for some reason the blog claims thats lucifers statement
Is supposedly intended to refer to dimensions?
You could have just used Superman making a bigass hole in the Source Wall in the same series.Hmm.. where would this feat put Post Crisis Supes?
Post it through Imgur please.You could have just used Superman making a bigass hole in the Source Wall in the same series.
What i know is anything out of infinity is still infinity, so superman would easily scale to the source wall but that would be regarded as outlier as Source wall is 1-A last I checked.I can't overstate how opposed I am to the idea of upgrading a character based on removing a staff from the Source Wall rather than combat feats. I don't think it's scalable, period.
Superman/Batman Issue 42Post it through Imgur please.
No it isn't. Any fraction of infinity is infinity, but the staff is not a fraction, it is a finite piece. Infinity - 5 = infinity, but 5 =/= infinity simply because it's being removed from infinity.What i know is anything out of infinity is still infinity,
Agreed, but that does not mean it was infinite.It was a part of the source wall before he took it out.
I understood your point. What I am trying to explain to you is that your point is wrong. The intuitive notion of equating a "chunk" of something as a fraction does not always apply to infinity. A finite piece of an infinity set can be removed. The fact that the wall is infinite does not transfer to the staff necessarily.What I mean is that source wall absorbs beings and stuff so it being able to also take High-father staff makes the staff one with the wall before superman took it off, which would mean superman took a chunk of it's infinity.
He did not meaningfully affect the 1-A Wall, the same way removing 5 from infinity would not meaningfully affect infinity.If source wall is 1-A or lesser that would be superman tier as he could take a chunk of it which mean he affected such structure.
Still isn't affecting a 1-A structure still 1-A? Or whatever tier the source wall will become or is.I understood your point. What I am trying to explain to you is that your point is wrong. The intuitive notion of equating a "chunk" of something as a fraction does not always apply to infinity. A finite piece of an infinity set can be removed. The fact that the wall is infinite does not transfer to the staff necessarily.
He did not meaningfully affect the 1-A Wall, the same way removing 5 from infinity would not meaningfully affect infinity.
The effect has to be significant.Still isn't affecting a 1-A structure still 1-A? Or whatever tier the source wall will become or is.
No, I think that training to move the Earth is currently a pretty low-level feat for these characters.So... is this an outlier?
I am actually talking about how Superman was struggling with this despite being Solar System level.No, I think that training to move the Earth is currently a pretty low-level feat for these characters.
Superman is a Varies tier. He’s not always Solar System level.I am actually talking about how Superman was struggling with this despite being Solar System level.
I don't think that's true at all.Yeah but this is significant
I am actually talking about how Superman was struggling with this despite being Solar System level.
That is correct, yes.Superman is a Varies tier. He’s not always Solar System level.
Is there any proof of different levels of Source Wall? The only thing I know is that the Source Wall is constant while the rest of the Multiverse vibrates at different frequencies. That's why the source wall surround both a single Universe and the entire Multiverse since it only has to surround one single space. This is more prevalent in Morrison's Cosmology.If I may throw my hat in the ring, I think it makes more sense for the Source Wall to emanate in a lower dimensional form in lower dimensional planes.
While I do get the point of the Infinity example, that's different. If you take a finite amount off of an Infinite 3D wall, yeah, that would be finite 3D. But, this is relative to the dimensionality of what you're affecting, for example, if you took a finite amount off of an Infinite 4D wall, that'd be finite 4D. In this case, where he takes a finite amount off of a wall beyond dimensions, he's still affecting something far beyond 3 dimensions. I also don't get how a wall that's beyond dimensions can exist in a 3D space, so it just makes more sense for the wall to emanate in lower forms imo.
I kinds like 4-B heraldsThat is correct, yes.
Speaking of which, is somebody willing to investigate if we should upgrade Post-Rebirth Supergirl and other characters on her level to 4-A?