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As in, 1 level of infinity above the creations it contains.
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General DC Comics Discussion Thread
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Damn, so its not even 1-A
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im not even sure how they got possibly 1-A
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From my impression, Ultima used to assign complete aleph-level or beyond transcendence tiers far too easily, but seems to have reconsidered this approach more recently. Then again, higher-order mathematics are not my area.
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I don't know. It depends on how we scale those creations. The prior discussion was just about if it was 1-A by default based on the FAQ, which was a little vague.
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Higher dimensions being irrelevant to a structures size is most probably 1-A from what i understand
But for some reason the blog claims thats lucifers statement
But for some reason the blog claims thats lucifers statement
Is supposedly intended to refer to dimensions?
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I don't necessarily want him to scale to the wall. But removing the staff from that should put him above his current tier, wouldn't it?
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Also could someone give me a list of Post crisis superman's weakest feats?
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I can't overstate how opposed I am to the idea of upgrading a character based on removing a staff from the Source Wall rather than combat feats. I don't think it's scalable, period.
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Just Lifting strength my friend.
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How heavy is the staff?
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Even if they are dimensions, it needs to be qualitatively superior to each other
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You could have just used Superman making a bigass hole in the Source Wall in the same series.Hmm.. where would this feat put Post Crisis Supes?
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Post it through Imgur please.
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What i know is anything out of infinity is still infinity, so superman would easily scale to the source wall but that would be regarded as outlier as Source wall is 1-A last I checked.
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Superman/Batman Issue 42
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So... is this an outlier?
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No it isn't. Any fraction of infinity is infinity, but the staff is not a fraction, it is a finite piece. Infinity - 5 = infinity, but 5 =/= infinity simply because it's being removed from infinity.
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Agreed, but that does not mean it was infinite.
Infinity - 5 = infinity
5 =/= infinity
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What I mean is that source wall absorbs beings and stuff so it being able to also take High-father staff makes the staff one with the wall before superman took it off, which would mean superman took a chunk of it's infinity. If source wall is 1-A or lesser that would be superman tier as he could take a chunk of it which mean he affected such structure. Besides i personally don't want anyone to use this to upgrade superman.
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I understood your point. What I am trying to explain to you is that your point is wrong. The intuitive notion of equating a "chunk" of something as a fraction does not always apply to infinity. A finite piece of an infinity set can be removed. The fact that the wall is infinite does not transfer to the staff necessarily.
He did not meaningfully affect the 1-A Wall, the same way removing 5 from infinity would not meaningfully affect infinity.
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If I may throw my hat in the ring, I think it makes more sense for the Source Wall to emanate in a lower dimensional form in lower dimensional planes.
While I do get the point of the Infinity example, that's different. If you take a finite amount off of an Infinite 3D wall, yeah, that would be finite 3D. But, this is relative to the dimensionality of what you're affecting, for example, if you took a finite amount off of an Infinite 4D wall, that'd be finite 4D. In this case, where he takes a finite amount off of a wall beyond dimensions, he's still affecting something far beyond 3 dimensions. I also don't get how a wall that's beyond dimensions can exist in a 3D space, so it just makes more sense for the wall to emanate in lower forms imo.
While I do get the point of the Infinity example, that's different. If you take a finite amount off of an Infinite 3D wall, yeah, that would be finite 3D. But, this is relative to the dimensionality of what you're affecting, for example, if you took a finite amount off of an Infinite 4D wall, that'd be finite 4D. In this case, where he takes a finite amount off of a wall beyond dimensions, he's still affecting something far beyond 3 dimensions. I also don't get how a wall that's beyond dimensions can exist in a 3D space, so it just makes more sense for the wall to emanate in lower forms imo.
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Yeah even I believe the source wall varies according to the dimension or realm it's at in that particular moment as it stretches everywhere.
Still isn't affecting a 1-A structure still 1-A? Or whatever tier the source wall will become or is.
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The effect has to be significant.
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No, I think that training to move the Earth is currently a pretty low-level feat for these characters.So... is this an outlier?
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I am actually talking about how Superman was struggling with this despite being Solar System level.
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Superman is a Varies tier. He’s not always Solar System level.
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I don't think that's true at all.
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That is correct, yes.
Speaking of which, is somebody willing to investigate if we should upgrade Post-Rebirth Supergirl and other characters on her level to 4-A?
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Unfortunately I can’t help with that, I just started a huge revision project (still for DC, but for another character), so I’m not gonna be able to help until it’s done.
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The revision itself isn’t ready yet, I’ve just started gathering the scans and stuff for it. It’s a revision/overhaul for Post-Crisis Wonder Woman.
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Is there any proof of different levels of Source Wall? The only thing I know is that the Source Wall is constant while the rest of the Multiverse vibrates at different frequencies. That's why the source wall surround both a single Universe and the entire Multiverse since it only has to surround one single space. This is more prevalent in Morrison's Cosmology.
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I kinds like 4-B heralds
Anyways Dark crisis is one of the worst books I read this year.
