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Even if they are dimensions, it needs to be qualitatively superior to each other
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General DC Comics Discussion Thread
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You could have just used Superman making a bigass hole in the Source Wall in the same series.
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Post it through Imgur please.
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What i know is anything out of infinity is still infinity, so superman would easily scale to the source wall but that would be regarded as outlier as Source wall is 1-A last I checked.
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Superman/Batman Issue 42
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So... is this an outlier?
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No it isn't. Any fraction of infinity is infinity, but the staff is not a fraction, it is a finite piece. Infinity - 5 = infinity, but 5 =/= infinity simply because it's being removed from infinity.
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Agreed, but that does not mean it was infinite.
Infinity - 5 = infinity
5 =/= infinity
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What I mean is that source wall absorbs beings and stuff so it being able to also take High-father staff makes the staff one with the wall before superman took it off, which would mean superman took a chunk of it's infinity. If source wall is 1-A or lesser that would be superman tier as he could take a chunk of it which mean he affected such structure. Besides i personally don't want anyone to use this to upgrade superman.
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I understood your point. What I am trying to explain to you is that your point is wrong. The intuitive notion of equating a "chunk" of something as a fraction does not always apply to infinity. A finite piece of an infinity set can be removed. The fact that the wall is infinite does not transfer to the staff necessarily.
He did not meaningfully affect the 1-A Wall, the same way removing 5 from infinity would not meaningfully affect infinity.
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If I may throw my hat in the ring, I think it makes more sense for the Source Wall to emanate in a lower dimensional form in lower dimensional planes.
While I do get the point of the Infinity example, that's different. If you take a finite amount off of an Infinite 3D wall, yeah, that would be finite 3D. But, this is relative to the dimensionality of what you're affecting, for example, if you took a finite amount off of an Infinite 4D wall, that'd be finite 4D. In this case, where he takes a finite amount off of a wall beyond dimensions, he's still affecting something far beyond 3 dimensions. I also don't get how a wall that's beyond dimensions can exist in a 3D space, so it just makes more sense for the wall to emanate in lower forms imo.
While I do get the point of the Infinity example, that's different. If you take a finite amount off of an Infinite 3D wall, yeah, that would be finite 3D. But, this is relative to the dimensionality of what you're affecting, for example, if you took a finite amount off of an Infinite 4D wall, that'd be finite 4D. In this case, where he takes a finite amount off of a wall beyond dimensions, he's still affecting something far beyond 3 dimensions. I also don't get how a wall that's beyond dimensions can exist in a 3D space, so it just makes more sense for the wall to emanate in lower forms imo.
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Yeah even I believe the source wall varies according to the dimension or realm it's at in that particular moment as it stretches everywhere.
Still isn't affecting a 1-A structure still 1-A? Or whatever tier the source wall will become or is.
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The effect has to be significant.
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No, I think that training to move the Earth is currently a pretty low-level feat for these characters.So... is this an outlier?
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I am actually talking about how Superman was struggling with this despite being Solar System level.
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Superman is a Varies tier. He’s not always Solar System level.
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I don't think that's true at all.
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That is correct, yes.
Speaking of which, is somebody willing to investigate if we should upgrade Post-Rebirth Supergirl and other characters on her level to 4-A?
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Unfortunately I can’t help with that, I just started a huge revision project (still for DC, but for another character), so I’m not gonna be able to help until it’s done.
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The revision itself isn’t ready yet, I’ve just started gathering the scans and stuff for it. It’s a revision/overhaul for Post-Crisis Wonder Woman.
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Is there any proof of different levels of Source Wall? The only thing I know is that the Source Wall is constant while the rest of the Multiverse vibrates at different frequencies. That's why the source wall surround both a single Universe and the entire Multiverse since it only has to surround one single space. This is more prevalent in Morrison's Cosmology.
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I kinds like 4-B heralds
Anyways Dark crisis is one of the worst books I read this year.
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Wait for the Crisis on Infinite Dark Earths
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I thought both were the same, guess i'm wrong.
Edit: Both are the same.
Edit: Both are the same.
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Well, we should try our best to provide accurate information, regardless if it is higher or lower what either of us like.
Yes, I didn't like it either. Very pointless, poorly written, and just about attacking and demonising all of the fans who prefer the 1970s, 1980s, or 1990s superhero comic book writing styles, and for characterisations to be reasonably consistent, as usual for Marvel and DC Comics in recent years.
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I agree just i
Very true compared to then modern comics are meh and DC has a way to ruin characters and retcon their history like it's nothing, I don't know for others but I can't wait for this arc to be over. It had potential but fell off to me.
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Well, I agree with the aim of introducing more ethnically, culturally, and sexually diverse characters. It is the tendency to completely change character personalities; destroy, demonise, and marginalise popular older characters that are not considered sufficiently diverse by the writers; greatly rewrite established continuity with worse ideas than previously; and increasingly turn the settings more corrupt, morbid, nihilistic/materialistic, and dystopian that I have a problem with.
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the watchman possibly ruined comics now every one wants to be them leading to stuff like that
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can we discuss tiers and scaling in comic animal man and Comic Morrison?
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You're very correct, I even heard Tom Taylor had to cancel a book cause I didn't make good sales mostly due to the character's sexual desire and all that kinda stuff. DC comic books this year aren't really good but it's my personal opinion.
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As I’m working on revising Wonder Woman, I’ve found that her profile is really missing a lot of stuff. So far, I haven’t even finished her appearances from 1988, and I’ve found nine new powers for Diana herself, one for her Bracelets of Submission and five for the Lasso of Truth.
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