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General DC Comics Discussion Thread
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Vondoom
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I thought both were the same, guess i'm wrong.
Edit: Both are the same.
Edit: Both are the same.
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Well, we should try our best to provide accurate information, regardless if it is higher or lower what either of us like.
Yes, I didn't like it either. Very pointless, poorly written, and just about attacking and demonising all of the fans who prefer the 1970s, 1980s, or 1990s superhero comic book writing styles, and for characterisations to be reasonably consistent, as usual for Marvel and DC Comics in recent years.
Vondoom
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I agree just i
Very true compared to then modern comics are meh and DC has a way to ruin characters and retcon their history like it's nothing, I don't know for others but I can't wait for this arc to be over. It had potential but fell off to me.
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Well, I agree with the aim of introducing more ethnically, culturally, and sexually diverse characters. It is the tendency to completely change character personalities; destroy, demonise, and marginalise popular older characters that are not considered sufficiently diverse by the writers; greatly rewrite established continuity with worse ideas than previously; and increasingly turn the settings more corrupt, morbid, nihilistic/materialistic, and dystopian that I have a problem with.
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the watchman possibly ruined comics now every one wants to be them leading to stuff like that
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can we discuss tiers and scaling in comic animal man and Comic Morrison?
Vondoom
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You're very correct, I even heard Tom Taylor had to cancel a book cause I didn't make good sales mostly due to the character's sexual desire and all that kinda stuff. DC comic books this year aren't really good but it's my personal opinion.
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As I’m working on revising Wonder Woman, I’ve found that her profile is really missing a lot of stuff. So far, I haven’t even finished her appearances from 1988, and I’ve found nine new powers for Diana herself, one for her Bracelets of Submission and five for the Lasso of Truth.
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Could someone elaborate on why Darkseid is still not Outerversal despite this?
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1) the cosmology revisions are ongoing and Williamson's works haven't yet been codified into a full cosmology to begin with
2) No one has made a Darkseid CRT since the comic came out
3) You'd also have to explain what you think is outerversal about it (I also don't know which tier that refers to.)
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It feels like every single conversation in this thread is about goddamn cosmology 
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Yes, fans often want to squeeze as high statistics as possible out of their favourite verses, and since Marvel and DC have long histories, attempts to prove that can easily turn into contradictory messes.
Anyway, I wouldn't mind at all if we talk more about recent storylines instead.
Anyway, I wouldn't mind at all if we talk more about recent storylines instead.
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1-A.
Well, doesn't Death Metal contain two or more 1-A characters? Furthermore, he also negged the Spectre.
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Sorry. You're leaving a lot to the imagination here. What does Death Metal have to do with Darkseid? Why is Spectre relevant?1-A.
Well, doesn't Death Metal contain two or more 1-A characters? Furthermore, he also negged the Spectre.
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Vondoom
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Nothing outer hereCould someone elaborate on why Darkseid is still not Outerversal despite this?
Still no Outerversal1-A.
Well, doesn't Death Metal contain two or more 1-A characters? Furthermore, he also negged the Spectre.
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Why not?
Existing outside of two Outerversal characters is not Outerversal?
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Death Metal if I am not wrong contain 2 1-A characters, and Darkseid exists even beyond that?
Because he is 1-A? Am I getting something wrong here? Does existing beyond/negging a characters of a certain tier not imply they are at the very least in the same tier?
Vondoom
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Darkseid true form isn’t outerversal here and he being at the end of all things would also make him outerversal.
By the outerversal characters I think you mean phantom stranger, High-father and The spectre. This characters aren't outerversal here also and spectre outerversal key is him merging with Oversoul not his base key plus Spectre is shown to be many(many spectre exists as shown in his comic run and can fight and merge with one another to get stronger or prove dominance) that shows all of them varies. Another spectre even once tried to absorb spectre Hal Jordan and also Spectre power varies according to the power he draws from god/the presence.
I refuse to believe infinite frontier darkseid is stronger/powerful than TDK or Golden WW.
So far highest we can scale current darkseid to is The Empty-hand since he can damage and tank hits from him and Empty-hand being outerversal would only possibly refer to the key of him being one with the great darkness.
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Someone showed me these comic panels of what seems to be The Writer, who is referred to as "God" in this instance. Comic is Animal Man Volume 1 #5.
Could this potentially mean that "The Writer" is not above God, but rather an aspect of it? Hell, the cover of this comic is what we use for The Writer's image on our profile for them. The DC wiki itself considers this being to be The Presence (Who they use as a catch-all for DC Comics God similar to our own God profile). I'm no expert on DC cosmology stuff, I just wanted to know if we already knew about this.
Could this potentially mean that "The Writer" is not above God, but rather an aspect of it? Hell, the cover of this comic is what we use for The Writer's image on our profile for them. The DC wiki itself considers this being to be The Presence (Who they use as a catch-all for DC Comics God similar to our own God profile). I'm no expert on DC cosmology stuff, I just wanted to know if we already knew about this.
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The images aren't loading. But in general, yeah, the Animal Man run has been dissected pretty thoroughly. I don't think there's a solid basis for connecting the Writer profile to the Presence, and there's a strong argument to be made for deleting the Writer's profile given that so much of it is based on speculative rather than substantive feats.Someone showed me these comic panels of what seems to be The Writer, who is referred to as "God" in this instance. Comic is Animal Man Volume 1 #5.
Could this potentially mean that "The Writer" is not above God, but rather an aspect of it? Hell, the cover of this comic is what we use for The Writer's image on our profile for them. The DC wiki itself considers this being to be The Presence (Who they use as a catch-all for DC Comics God similar to our own God profile). I'm no expert on DC cosmology stuff, I just wanted to know if we already knew about this.
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do you guys like Superman more or Batman more?
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Batman
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that’s because Batman is a awesome billionaire who proves you don’t need superpowers to be a superhero and be cool.
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Superman, although I prefer Batman’s comics to Superman’s.
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Yeah that's a good point. I like Superman as a concept better, but I tend to think Batman comics are better written. Superman writers have trouble going beyond the same generic thematic messages and "big space punch man." Not without exception of course! But I think generally the bog standard batman comic is more readable than a comparable superman issue.
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As a character, I like Superman more, but I do think Batman tends to have the more interesting stories.
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For me it's deffo Supes, but Batman is up there on my list of favorite comic characters. Their dynamic together is also almost untouchable imo.
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I personally strongly agree with this, but my arguments have kept being rejected whenever I have tried to get it removed, and have limited time and focus available for prolonged debating.
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also Batman never kills people when he drops people from a high height because gravity killed them not Batman.
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Superman. I've always preferred his hopeful story and outlook. I just have a thing for characters that have an endless faith in the common good no matter how much they're beaten down.
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Yes, me as well.
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Vondoom
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