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First the split needs to be approved. Then a discussion will be had about where to split the cosmology, and then we can get more into tiering changes
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General DC Comics Discussion Thread
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Welp, I assume the real discussion and issues will start in scaling.
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I am worried about too much spam, derailing, and toxicity though, so maybe it would be better to post it in the staff forum and have regular members apply to our staff for posting there? I am not certain.
Anyway, that is a future problem to consider. It will likely take quite a while to (hopefully) get even the cosmology split itself accepted.
Anyway, that is a future problem to consider. It will likely take quite a while to (hopefully) get even the cosmology split itself accepted.
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I can't wait for this 
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Don't think tbh anyone will disagree, I myself who has little knowledge about it, read everything, don't see any issues with it.
Likewise, the scaling one will be significant issue for everyone.
Likewise, the scaling one will be significant issue for everyone.
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Thank you, and noted. It seems best to have knowledgeable regular members first apply to our staff by explaining what kind of issues they want to argue about before they are allowed to post there then. So the arguments do not get too hostile and chaotic.
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Sure thing, I will always ask the admin and show them the post before I post it to make sure, so it does not get chaotic at all.
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Hmm.. where would this feat put Post Crisis Supes?
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The Source Wall isn't weaker in lower dimensions or something like that.
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Wouldn't this put him well above Tier 4?
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I thought it would be weaker or stronger according to the dimension it's in, I guess I'm wrong. But what tier is the source wall currently? cause old tier is 1-A, and we can't possibly make superman 1-A highest would be infinite strength as whatever out or added to infinite is infinite which the source wall is.
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I am not clear on what he's doing in this scan. Did he destroy the entire wall or something?
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it's probably an outlier, even if the feat does quantify that high
More "Superman wins coz Superman" bs
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Cuz y'know hope and good wins in the end or something
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Vondoom
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I interpreted it as removing a little chunk of the source wall since the staff was part of it.
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Tbh I'd barely call it a feat. That won't scale him to the wall.
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He appears to have broken free Highfather's staff after the latter was trapped in the Source Wall.
I do not know how to scale it properly though.
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In what way
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So with the cosmology split, how will character pages look?
They're already separated into pre and post crisis and rebirth or whatever the division may be, will each key have cosmology sub-keys where applicable? And how do we decide how pre-crisis cosmology stuff fits into each authors cosmology if at all?
They're already separated into pre and post crisis and rebirth or whatever the division may be, will each key have cosmology sub-keys where applicable? And how do we decide how pre-crisis cosmology stuff fits into each authors cosmology if at all?
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This was discussed earlier in the thread. The "can't fill it with creations" concept was assessed to only be 1 level of transcendence.
Much of this hasn't been decided definitively yet, as we are in uncharted territory with this in some respects.
However, it's important to note a couple of things.
1) The vast majority of characters won't have cosmology keys at all, as their tier won't involve cosmological concepts
2) Of the ones who do scale to cosmologies, the vast majority will only have significant showings in one (Perpetua and Thought Robot for example) which means it will only be annotated that they scale to X cosmology.
For those who have significant portrayals in multiple cosmologies (Dream of the Endless comes to mind) I assume it'll be handled similar to things like Rebirth/Post-Crisis.
Pre-Crisis hasn't been discussed that much in terms of a cosmology split. I don't know that much about it, but the impression I get is that the era was pretty contradictory in general but that the main profiles for PC characters don't really involve mashing together contradictory cosmologies.
Hasty12345
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So I take it not many characters if any have significant showings in pre-crisis and multiple cosmologies of the post crisis and rebirth eras?
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I don't know of any, no.
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Ok, that makes things easier I guess
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what does that even mean
I don't know what you're asking.
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Yes, I understand the basic context. I am saying I don't know what your question is.
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As in, 1 level of infinity above the creations it contains.
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From my impression, Ultima used to assign complete aleph-level or beyond transcendence tiers far too easily, but seems to have reconsidered this approach more recently. Then again, higher-order mathematics are not my area.
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I don't know. It depends on how we scale those creations. The prior discussion was just about if it was 1-A by default based on the FAQ, which was a little vague.
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I don't necessarily want him to scale to the wall. But removing the staff from that should put him above his current tier, wouldn't it?
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Also could someone give me a list of Post crisis superman's weakest feats?
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I can't overstate how opposed I am to the idea of upgrading a character based on removing a staff from the Source Wall rather than combat feats. I don't think it's scalable, period.
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Just Lifting strength my friend.
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How heavy is the staff?
