Game Sonic CRT: Low 2-C Supers

[Starbrand_Fan]

Ah, I completely forgot about the 3DS version. I... I guess Time Eater could scale at that rate?

Speaking of that. Sonic Rush levels are in the 3Ds version of Sonic Generations, which means Time Eater’s tearing through time was also affecting Blaze’s dimension. Wouldn’t that make him 2-C?

Slightly Off topic but I just wanted to get this out there.

 

[JED]

Speaking of that. Sonic Rush levels are in the 3Ds version of Sonic Generations, which means Time Eater’s tearing through time was also affecting Blaze’s dimensions. Wouldn’t that make him 2-C?

Slightly Off topic but I just wanted to get this out there.

I been wanting to ask that for a long time but never had the chance to bring it up. I personally think he should be but idk what others think (btw I still think we should include possibly 2-C for Egg Salamander but it’s whatever about that one)

 

[ShakeResounding]

... That's a good point about the Time Eater tbh. Though, considering that only happens in the 3DS version and not the other version, placing the Time Eater at "At least Low 2-C, likely 2-C" seems like a fair middle ground for it not being contradicted but not happening in both.

I'm omw to bed so I'll comment further after my classes tomorrow.

 

[Starbrand_Fan]

... That's a good point about the Time Eater tbh. Though, considering that only happens in the 3DS version and not the other version, placing the Time Eater at "At least Low 2-C, likely 2-C" seems like a fair middle ground for it not being contradicted but not happening in both.

I'm omw to bed so I'll comment further after my classes tomorrow.

I’d be okay with At least Low 2-C, likely 2-C

 

[JED]

I’d be okay with At least Low 2-C, likely 2-C

Yeah that’s a good compromise.
At least until this new anthology book releases and 2-A is confirmed

 

[JED]

Actually, now that I think about it, even in the console version, the fact that Silver is in must mean that Silver’s universe was destroyed as well, so that should also qualify for 2-C.
Again, if you wanna compromise I’ll be ok with that too but I’m pretty sure that should qualify for 2-C.

 

[ShakeResounding]

So, upon delving further, I'm pretty sure Water Palace is part of Sonic's world. However, Silver's involvement/stage wouldn't immediately mean that the Time Eater somehow affected his timeline as well. He was at the party, and it doesn't help that Time Eater is literally a stickler for messing with causality. Though I'll admit that it's moreso ambiguous rather than tailored towards one or the other. I think a safer bet is "Low 2-C, possibly higher", and using Silver as reasoning rather than Water Palace.

Edit: I forgot that Silver wasn't at the party in the beginning, meaning he would've somehow had to have been affected. So "Low 2-C, possibly 2-C" should be fine.

 

[JED]

So, upon delving further, I'm pretty sure Water Palace is part of Sonic's world. However, Silver's involvement/stage wouldn't immediately mean that the Time Eater somehow affected his timeline as well. He was at the party, and it doesn't help that Time Eater is literally a stickler for messing with causality. Though I'll admit that it's moreso ambiguous rather than tailored towards one or the other. I think a safer bet is "Low 2-C, possibly higher", and using Silver as reasoning rather than Water Palace.

Thoughts?

Silver wasn’t at the party originally. He only was came at the end the Sonic defeated Time Eater and restarted everything. But for the initial party he wasn’t. So TE likely had to effect his universe for him to be involved.
But if that’s not enough, I’m fine with “At least Low 2-C, possibly 2-C”.

 

[ShakeResounding]

He wasn't at the party at the start??? Editing my previous comment.

 

[Theuser789]

Yeah, Silver wasn't

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Silver probably returned with Sonic and his friends to enjoy the party in the ending before Silver returned to his future I guess

However, since the events of 06 were erased, meaning Crisis City and Iblis (and the Iblis monsters) never existed, would that mean that Time Eater erased a universe where they do exist? Or brought the stage back from Non-Existence?

 

[ShakeResounding]

Silver's timeline is a separate dimension from Sonic's iirc (I think there's some statements saying as much, though I'd have to look). Hence why Sonic changing things in the past didn't affect Silver's future and it was still in ruins.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Silver's timeline is a separate dimension from Sonic's iirc (I think there's some statements saying as much, though I'd have to look). Hence why Sonic changing things in the past didn't affect Silver's future and it was still in ruins.

If so, then Time Eater would be 2-C for destroying Silver's dimension as well as Sonic's dimension, much like how we see Sonic Rush levels in the 3DS version.

 

[JED]

Silver's timeline is a separate dimension from Sonic's iirc (I think there's some statements saying as much, though I'd have to look). Hence why Sonic changing things in the past didn't affect Silver's future and it was still in ruins.

Yes it is. It’s also accepted as being a different dimension on this site as well.

 

[Theuser789]

Silver's timeline is a separate dimension from Sonic's iirc (I think there's some statements saying as much, though I'd have to look). Hence why Sonic changing things in the past didn't affect Silver's future and it was still in ruins.

This was in 06, later games like Colors DS, and the Forces comic implied their times are linked, since Silver goes back in the Forces comic to change his future there

 

[JED]

This was in 06, later games like Colors DS, and the Forces comic implied their times are linked, since Silver goes back in the Forces comic to change his future there

Idk about Colors DS since I haven’t played that, but is it actually said if anything changed from Silver’s time when he went back in Forces? Even so, both the Vs and Sonic wiki treat it as a separate dimension.
Also, a scan I just remembered, it’s actually said that the stages in Generations are all different dimensions. If that’s true, then wouldn’t that make him 2-C too?

 

[Theuser789]

but is it actually said if anything changed from Silver’s time when he went back in Forces?

This is why he jas acasuality type 1 in his page

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Wait isn't a "half 2-C" feat still 2-C? Since Low 2-C times 2 is still Low 2-C? With everything else I agree

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Also, I don't remember this exactly, but I heard somewhere here that Super Sonic has 5 2-C feats. Egg Salamander, Solaris and something else. Is that true?

 

[Starbrand_Fan]

Also, a scan I just remembered, it’s actually said that the stages in Generations are all different dimensions. If that’s true, then wouldn’t that make him 2-C too?

Can you show the scan?

 

[Theuser789]

Wait isn't a "half 2-C" feat still 2-C? Since Low 2-C times 2 is still Low 2-C? With everything else I agree

If it was, Beerus would be 2-C

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

If it was, Beerus would be 2-C

I think he should be . If the gap between 2-C and Low 2-C is infinite half 2-C should still be 2-C

 

[sanicspood]

if beerus would be 2-c then goku in mui should be 2-c as well kek

 

[Greenshifter]

I have some problems with this. Super Shadow and Silver shouldn’t have a low 2-C end for having no fights on that level. The chaos emeralds’ variable tier also relies on positive thoughts and affinity and all that and Sonic was the one to amp them towards 2-C when they fought Solaris. I also am not convinced that Sonic was at the same level during the time Eater fight as during the Egg Salamander fight, thus he should get 2 low 2-C ends.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Also isn't Egg Wizard 2-C too? His justifications seem legit

 

[Greenshifter]

gap between 2-C and Low 2-C is infinite

It’s not.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

It’s not.

If that's the case, why isn't being 2 times stronger, no, 1000000000000 times stronger than Low 2-C 2-C? Invisible Dragon is thousands of times stronger than Low 2-C yet he still is Low 2-C

 

[Greenshifter]

Also isn't Egg Wizard 2-C too? His justifications seem legit

Yeah so another end for Sonic and Blaze as well. Lol, unless this also comes down to half 2-C due to taking turns.

 

[JED]

Can you show the scan?

 

[Greenshifter]

If that's the case, why isn't being 2 times stronger, no, 1000000000000 times stronger than Low 2-C 2-C? Invisible Dragon is thousands of times stronger than Low 2-C yet he still is Low 2-C

Because you can’t say with certainty what the gap is between low 2-C and 2-C, thus to lowball it we keep such characters at low 2-C.

 

[Theuser789]

This thread has entred scaling hell now

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Yeah so another end for Sonic and Blaze as well. Lol, unless this also comes down to half 2-C due to taking turns.

Taking turns is stupid. They can damage him after all. I don't see any reason for a separate key, why can't we just put them at 2-C?

 

[JED]

This thread has entred scaling hell now

Hey this is my prep for the inevitable upgrade thread. Gotta have everything solid before we tackle that monster

 

[Greenshifter]

Taking turns is stupid. They can damage him after all. I don't see any reason for a separate key, why can't we just put them at 2-C?

Oh ok then. Yeah Modern Super Sonic would basically be Varies from 4-A to low 2-C to at least low 2-C to 2-C to higher lol.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Oh ok then. Yeah Modern Sonic would basically be Varies from 4-A to low 2-C to at least low 2-C to 2-C to higher lol.

Why is this variable tier here? I get why Solaris gets a separate key cause sonic was amped, but here no reason for it

 

[ShakeResounding]

Oh ok then. Yeah Modern Sonic would basically be Varies from 4-A to low 2-C to at least low 2-C to 2-C to higher lol.

This is entirely too convoluted for no reason.

I'm about to enter class so I can't comment further but I find this prospect ridiculously overcomplicated compared to how simple it could be. I feel like we run the risk of having too much, resulting in something awkward and bloated. I'll be back for further responses later.

 

[Greenshifter]

separate key cause sonic was amped

I mean he was amped by positive thoughts right. So like the amount of that will vary from fight to fight.

ridiculously overcomplicated

Probably, but that’s still what I see their AP as during those fights. And how they’re basically treated now, considering Egg Salamander and Wizard don’t scale to Solaris and I’m not sure if Sonic and Blaze stomped those 2.

 

[Starbrand_Fan]

Hmmm, I’m not entirely sure about this tbh. We’ll see what the others think.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

I mean he was amped by positive thoughts right. So like the amount of that will vary from fight to fight.

Probably, but that’s still what I see their AP as during those fights. And how they’re basically treated now, considering Egg Salamander and Wizard don’t scale to Solaris and I’m not sure if Sonic and Blaze stomped those 2.

Wasn't he amped specifically in Solaris's case? Why can't we just put Super Sonic at baseline 2-C and hundreds of universes 2-C for when he is amped by positive energy?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I also am not convinced that Sonic was at the same level during the time Eater fight as during the Egg Salamander fight, thus he should get 2 low 2-C ends.

I'm sorry, but just saying "I don't think like he does and therefore he's not" isn't enough.

Time Eater already have a 2-C feat by destryoing both Sonic's and Blaze's worlds in the 3DS version, and Sonic and Silver's world in the Console/PC version.