That's the problem. If soul power is constant but determinations fluctuates, then determination is not soul power.
And if determination is not soul power, then determination-boosted AP can't be proven to be 8-B.
I believe you're misinterpreting this whole thing.
In the scenario I'm pointing towards with my evidence,
- The SOUL has a total amount of Determination that equates to 8-B. (Aka, SOUL power)
- A being has limited access to how much determination of their SOUL (literally their essence) they can use at any given time.
The total power is 8-B, the amount of power a being can access is variable.
I believe you even acknowledged that before with the "power source =/= power output" argument, which perfectly responds what you're putting as a contradiction here.
Of course, I am not trying to use your argument against you, but you already answered that yourself, and here, it's the same principle.
Undyne the Undying showcases that, by having her SOUL magic increasing exponentially by tapping into more determination than she had before.
We even have two moments where Frisk is overpowered by beings with less determination and soul power than them (Flowey at the beginning of the game, Undyne the Undying), which gives even less of a reason to believe the strength boost from determination is affected by how strong your soul is (Leaving aside the fact that stronger souls produce more determination)
Not really.
Frisk was by no means determined against Flowey, they were off guard, and had no reason to fear the flower.
So their DT in that fight was quite low, and they reach their first SAVE within seconds after this fight.
"Overpowered" by Undyne? You do know stats /=/ DT, right?
Undyne has Frisk beat in stats 3 times over, but Frisk can still keep up by having a higher determination. Not a contradiction at all.
That's that I'm getting at. Alphys saying "We'll use determination to free everyone" is not proof that soul power and determination are the same because she wasn't using determination directly, but to get something else.
That's not what I'm using to prove that SOUL Power = Determination. It was barely a supporting evidence.
The main evidence was how ancient readings literally describe the power of SOUL with characteristics exclusive to determination.
She still gave it a brand new name despite having an already useable name, and what kind of researcher discovers a new substance but neglects several of it's attributes while documenting it?
Alphys does. She is researching the SOUL to gather monster SOULs, why would she include irrelevant attributes in her entries about something entirely parallel?
You said it yourself, it's a new substance, the description changed, "Human SOULs are so strong to the point they can exists outside the body due to will and resolve, therefore "SOUL power" isn't proper, this is Determination".
Also, you do realize "lack of statement" isn't an anti-feat, or counter evidence when there's already a statement heavily implying SOUL power.
That only makes sense if the human(s) who had the strenght of their soul(s) measured were at the peak of their determination, and no other human was measured.
It IS important:
*If they didn't measure humans at the peak of their determination, then the result wouldn't have been that high unless determination is not soul power.
*If they only measured humans at the peak of their determination, then determination being soul power holds more weight, but it would be one hell of a coincidence.
Again with the confirmation bias.
No, a human doesn't have to be
using the absolute peak of their determination so their SOUL can be accurately measured.
They just need to research a singular individual SOUL. It always carries that much Determination even if the user isn't using it all. This singular fact is the reason why Alphys can extract DT from dead people's SOULs in the first place.
I don't think Asgore killed anyone, as his stats should have been boosted by LOVE.
Actually, how the hell did the humans die?
LOVE is Level of Violence.
Asgore didn't want to kill any of the humans he killed, which might be--
again with the headcanon territory, this is a neutral point, let's drop it.
But the problem is not how the tier 8 ratings affect the verse (Because they don't), but the logic behind the tier 8 ratings.
Alright. But the requirement of a Tier 8 feat should be dropped. They don't have to show a Tier 8 feat it the logic at place is valid, which I'm trying to argue it is now.
As I said, the problem is not "8-B bad because it's illogical", the problem is "8-B has several problems due to how determination, humans, and monsters work, so it's not a verifiable".
That's only a factor to you.
- Human SOULs have been measured to have 8-B levels of Determination in total.
- Humans, Monsters and anyone, can use variable amounts of their total DT at a time.
No contradictions here.
Lore also says "But the absolute nature of “SOUL” is unknown.", so while they were right on several things we can't expect everything to be correct.
From a narrative standpoint, nope.
If monsters have an outdated, or incorrect idea on how SOUL power works, the writing would have made any effort to show that to the player. If you make lore to make exposition, you will make so everything there is true.
The only reason to lie to the player is to create a red herring that will be revealed later.
That's not the case with monster lore.
Of course, Toby might just be super crazy, and lied to us about monster lore without any plans of clarifying that, but that's an unsupported, extraordinary claim.
Also, also, Toby's writing reinforces the ancient readings lore with Alphys' true LAB entry 5, saying that, the power described by the ancient readings was Determination, so the chances of these ancient readings being incorrect is reduced to nearly zero.
