Freaks of Nature: Big Mom vs King

[ZKillerz]

Location: Onigashima Rooftop
Distance: 40m

Big mom: TheMonkeMan, That_moron, Kachon123, Akagami_Shanks1, ZKillerz
King:
Incon: Robo432343

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Stomp thread be like

 

[ZKillerz]

Stomp thread be like

So who you voting for? Your usually the first person to vote

 

[Eseseso]

What's up with all the King fights? Those are my thing.

King's advantages:

• Better flight
• Better fire, and can likely burn Big Mom with his own flames.
• Resists Big Mom's dura neg heat and flames
• More durable with flames-on. Attacks that slashed Zoan Kaido couldn't scratch Flame-On King.
• Faster with amps even without Flames-Off
• Enough AP to keep up with and hurt Big Mom (as he clashed with Enma Buso Zoro and Marco).
• Can badly hurt Big Mom with Jackpot, Pride Stake, and Omori Karyudon
• Not afraid of Big Mom, so she can't Soul Drain him.
• Smarter

Big Mom's advantages:

• Stronger
• Can resist most of what King can throw at her.
• Lightning stuff beats wind danmaku.
• Can possibly anger King by bringing up his lunarian heritage.

 

[ZKillerz]

What's up with all the King fights? Those are my thing.

King's advantages:

• Better flight
• Better fire, and can likely burn Big Mom with his own flames.
• Resists Big Mom's dura neg heat and flames
• More durable with flames-on. Attacks that slashed Zoan Kaido couldn't scratch Flame-On King.
• Faster with amps even without Flames-Off
• Enough AP to keep up with and hurt Big Mom (as he clashed with Enma Buso Zoro and Marco).
• Can badly hurt Big Mom with Jackpot, Pride Stake, and Omori Karyudon
• Not afraid of Big Mom, so she can't Soul Drain him.
• Smarter

Big Mom's advantages:

• Stronger
• Can resist most of what King can throw at her.
• Lightning stuff beats wind danmaku.
• Can possibly anger King by bringing up his lunarian heritage.

Who are you voting for Eseseso

 

[Eseseso]

Who are you voting for Eseseso

Not sure.

King has more advantages, and he can definitely hurt her, but the question is whether he can actually do enough damage to put her down.

Both have incredible stamina, so they can both likely fight for days.

Luckily for King, BM probably isn't smart enough to exploit his flame-off weakness (although even without flames he took hits from KoH Zoro which one-shot his suit as well as his buso sword).

King's best chance would be to use Omori Karyudon to kill her via both AP and burning, likely the latter.

Not voting yet.

 

[ZKillerz]

Not sure.
Not voting yet.

Me 2, It feels weird to say king wins this even if the evidence suggests so

 

[ZKillerz]

Voting king for now

 

[Eseseso]

Voting king for now

Is it FRA?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Voting Big Mom, I'll elaborate later, but she has better AP and LS.

 

[ZKillerz]

Is it FRA?

ye ye

 

[That_moron2]

Voting Big Mom

 

[ZKillerz]

Voting Big Mom

Is this from RTL?

 

[ZKillerz]

I dont know anything regarding the canonicity of RTL statements

 

[That_moron2]

Is this from RTL?

Yes.

I dont know anything regarding the canonicity of RTL statements

They are accepted from when I last checked. They are made by the editors iirc so I don't see why they wouldn't be canon.

 

[Kachon123]

Yeah this is a stupid match.

 

[Eseseso]

Sadly, King just can't outlast Big Mom, and he doesn't have enough options to do any major damage to her.

 

[Darkvie123]

Big Mom Advantages:
AP
Superior Haki
Dura Neg
Death Manip
Healing via Homies
Resistance to Fire & Heat
Minor Dankamu and Homing Attacks via Tenman Daijizai Tenjin
Flight
Stat Amps
Superior Stamina
Superior Range
Combat Experience

King Advantages:
Flight
Regeneration Mid-Low
Danmaku
Self Destruction
Stat Amps
Resistance to Fire & Heat
AP Stat Amps like Imperial Deep Pride Stake, Jackpot, Omori Karyudo could surpass BM's AP
Superior Durability with Flames On
Superior Speed with Flame Off and even faster with Imperial Deep Stake
Maybe Superior LS
Smarter than Big Mom


If Dura Neg works on Flame On King Big Mom could take the W im not voting yet tho

 

[Eseseso]

Big Mom Advantages:
AP
Superior Haki
Dura Neg
Death Manip
Healing via Homies
Resistance to Fire & Heat
Minor Dankamu and Homing Attacks via Tenman Daijizai Tenjin
Flight
Stat Amps
Superior Stamina
Superior Range
Combat Experience

King Advantages:
Flight
Regeneration Mid-Low
Danmaku
Self Destruction
Stat Amps
Resistance to Fire & Heat
AP Stat Amps like Imperial Deep Pride Stake, Jackpot, Omori Karyudo could surpass BM's AP
Superior Durability with Flames On
Superior Speed with Flame Off and even faster with Imperial Deep Stake
Maybe Superior LS
Smarter than Big Mom


If Dura Neg works on Flame On King Big Mom could take the W im not voting yet tho

The dura neg shouldn't work since Maser is based on heat, but it's heat is inferior in scaling to King's magma-like flames.

So King's flames should burn Big Mom.

 

[Kachon123]

Big Mom's haki can literally just negate King's flame resistance.

 

[Eseseso]

Big Mom's haki can literally just negate King's flame resistance.

How?

She could use it to maybe negate King's flames to some extent, but she can't negate his flame resistance.

She's also never shown using buso haki on her homies.

 

[Kachon123]

How?

Haki gives resistance negation.

She's also never shown using buso haki on her homies.

But she's shown to have it on herself at all times, which was implied by Law on the rooftop.

 

[Fireld]

I thought King heat resistance was scaled to he normal flames rather than the magma-like dragons?

 

[Kachon123]

I thought King heat resistance was scaled to he normal flames rather than the magma-like dragons?

You're right.

 

[Kachon123]

I still find equating King's strongest flames' heat to Akainu's magma to be stupid.

It's as if people never learned what a Simile is.

"The boy is as fast as the wind" isn't meant to be taken literal. King's statement just means it's much hotter than his normal fire.

 

[Eseseso]

I still find equating King's strongest flames' heat to Akainu's magma to be stupid.

It's as if people never learned what a Simile is.

"The boy is as fast as the wind" isn't meant to be taken literal. King's statement just means it's much hotter than his normal fire.

I don't equate it to magma, I just use the current heat-scaling.

King can endure his own lunarian flames. His heat resistance thus scales to that.

 

[Kachon123]

That wasn't directed at you. It was just a general comment about people who claim that.

As for King scaling to his stronger flames in heat, I disagree. He's never shown to endure them.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Haki gives resistance negation.

But she's shown to have it on herself at all times, which was implied by Law on the rooftop.

She was flaring Conq Haki when he did that iirc.

I still find equating King's strongest flames' heat to Akainu's magma to be stupid.

It's as if people never learned what a Simile is.

"The boy is as fast as the wind" isn't meant to be taken literal. King's statement just means it's much hotter than his normal fire.

It shouldn't be compared to Akainu's magma, as that seems even hotter than normal magma, and is literally said to be hotter than mere flames, but I think it was just compared to regular magma.
Zoro probably thought it could burn right through him if it got a direct hit, which is why he made the comparison.

 

[SlendVeny]

Can't Hera duraneg by flying through him?

 

[Eseseso]

That wasn't directed at you. It was just a general comment about people who claim that.

As for King scaling to his stronger flames in heat, I disagree. He's never shown to endure them.

The stronger flames should be no different from the ones constantly covering his body.

 

[Kachon123]

The stronger flames should be no different from the ones constantly covering his body.

They're clearly not the same. No sure how anyone could argue this.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

BM still claps but I don't think you could argue King doesn't scale to his stronger flames, that makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Kachon123]

that makes no sense whatsoever.

Sanji's base doesn't scale to his Ifrit Jambe flames.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Sanji isn't always covered in his flames like King or covers him self in them like King does.

 

[Eseseso]

1. Whatever Zoro's heat resistance is, King's own heat resistance scales above, since a flaming kick burned Zoro.

2. Queen, despite experiencing Exoskeleton DJ Sanji's heat, said that King can survive in "any environment", which puts King's resistance >= DJ Sanji's heat.

 

[Kachon123]

Sanji isn't always covered in his flames like King or covers him self in them like King does.

When has King covered himself in his magma-like flames?

 

[Kachon123]

2. Queen, despite experiencing Exoskeleton DJ Sanji's heat, said that King can survive in "any environment", which puts King's resistance >= DJ Sanji's heat.

What..? Queens statement never implied that King is superior to him at all.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

When has King covered himself in his magma-like flames?

He doesn't directly cover him self in them, but we see him able to withstand them being like, right over his head.

 

[Kachon123]

He doesn't directly cover him self in them, but we see him able to withstand them being like, right over his head.

That's not enough to grant him heat resistance on the level of those flames.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

..He wouldn't resist the flames he creates?