Four Knights of the Apocalypse/Nanatsu no Taizai Main Discussion Thread

[Arnoldstone18]

I mean if Asta was to use his anti magic (cause Arnold is Here arguing for this sole reason to wank Asta against NNT characters) Would they be able to use magic to défend themselves ?

Their darkness is stated to be Darkness power not Dark magic even in the panel you’ve sent

I don’t appreciate this bullshit. What does this shit have to do with Asta? I am preventing you from spewing shit in vsbattle matches.

And nobody has your time to debunk your mistranslation of the raws again.

 

[ByAsura]

ByAsura countered this

Kind of, but not really. It depends.

You are far from slick.

It's worth noting that magical power in the series' combat classes has the same translation.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Saying darkness is magic kinda weird tbh, it just their blood, even dead body of red demon and grey demon has darkness inside them that was drinked by hendrickson and holy knights (hendrickson said it was blood)

Like I’ve said many times

Darkness by itself is negative energy from demon physiology. They naturally occur among demons and the demon realm.

Fire, water, lightning, light are all naturally occurring elements in the goddess’s realm or human world.

When Darkness, Fire, Water, etc are used to attack someone, they become imbued with magic. That is why full counter works on them.

 

[Majinere566]

4kota Arthur Render

 

[Majinere566]

Man it's really not that difficult

Non manipulated Darkness = Not magic

Magically Manipulated Darkness = Magic

 

[Arnoldstone18]

DK Presence in britannia sets of the world it’s not his spell it’s a Natural lightning coming From the sky and Meliodas could FC it

The demon king’s power is literally ******* up the world and you still claim it’s natural?

smh.

I don't really care darkness is was magic or not, even i prefer it wasn't. But i don't remember this, can i know which chapter?
Even iirc demon king the ruler can't absorb diane rocks do it's physical matter that just giant clan manipulating through magic not really they're made by magic

Nobody is arguing that anything is made of magic. We are arguing that this “giant clan manipulating through magic” is correct.

 

[ByAsura]

4kota Arthur Render​

 

[Majinere566]

The demon king’s power is literally ******* up the world and you still claim it’s natural?

Now I don't agree with this. His power is offsetting the balance of the world, causing a **** load of natural disasters. The storms aren't magical, the tsunamis aren't magical, the chasms aren't magical either.

 

[Majinere566]

Okay much better than mine

 

[Deceived3596]

Okay much better than mine

L concession

 

[Majinere566]

L concession

Hush speedster victim

 

[Zezu1995]

i hear pepito leaker is back

 

[ByAsura]

Hush speedster victim

cope + malding

 

[Majinere566]

i hear pepito leaker is back

He is. Infact there's 2 leakers now

cope + malding

Only in Ohio

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Now I don't agree with this. His power is offsetting the balance of the world, causing a **** load of natural disasters. The storms aren't magical, the tsunamis aren't magical, the chasms aren't magical either.

I don’t get it, his magical power is affecting the non magical world isn’t it?

 

[Aether2734]

I don’t get it, his magical power is affecting the non magical world isn’t it?

No exactly, as it said
Cataclysm happen because demon king/meliodas great presence
And as supreme deity also state in movie
Demon king and supreme deity are balance of the world created by chaos
Destroying them will bring age of chaos

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Actually, nvm. It's stated that Rush Rock couldn't work against SD because it's physical.

Although this doesn’t relate to darkness, I’m interested in it, what chapter is it

 

[ByAsura]

It's not a chapter, it's the Cursed by ***** Light film.

 

[Majinere566]

I don’t get it, his magical power is affecting the non magical world isn’t it?

Sort of.

Due to him achieving Demon King Level, The World is "rejecting" him by causing Natural disasters. Think of it like this.

A cup(the world) is filled to the brim with water(the balance pre demon king Meliodas). Then I put a rock(Demon King level Meliodas) in the cup and it starts overflowing(natural disasters). The Rock definitely the cause of the overflowing but it doesn't mean that overflowing water is now a rock.

Ngl I lost my train of thought

 

[Arnoldstone18]

It's not a chapter, it's the Cursed by ***** Light film.

Oh okay,

This would’ve been easier to argue if I finish reading NNT.

but does manga take precedence over the movie?

 

[ByAsura]

The manga and film are canon.

Although, Prisoners of the Sky (the previous film) is debatable.

 

[Majinere566]

Lancelot Render

I will not be outdone by midasura

 

[ByAsura]

I will not be doing a render of that... gremlin coloured version.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

The movie and film are canon.

Yeah but like, does the manga take precedence over it?

what I mean is, if something is contradicted by the manga would that specific event be ignored? Cuz the manga is easier to access than the movie and I don’t want to watch the movie without watching the series.

 

[Majinere566]

I will not be doing a render of that... gremlin coloured version.

Cope + Mald + Seethe

 

[ByAsura]

Yeah but like, does the manga take precedence over it?

what I mean is, if something is contradicted by the manga would that specific event be ignored? Cuz the manga is easier to access than the movie and I don’t want to watch the movie without watching the series.

I don't think so, at least.

Anyway, CBL takes place pretty much after the series ends (there's a decade time jump in the last couple of extra chapters, but they're not related to CBL), so that'd be the best approach anyway.

 

[ByAsura]

Cope + Mald + Seethe

Ok, challenged accepted.

And banned + ratio.

 

[Majinere566]

Ok, challenged accepted.

And banned + ratio.

Nice try unfortunately

 

[Arnoldstone18]

I don't think so, at least.

Anyway, CBL takes place pretty much after the series ends (there's a decade time jump in the last couple of extra chapters, but they're not related to CBL), so that'd be the best approach anyway.

Well idk what the movie says but in the manga Gowther implies that rushing rock is one of the magic attacks that was used to power up Meliodas’ revenge counter. I wonder what the ruler is, isn’t it that inverting shit?

 

[ByAsura]

Revenge Counter isn't based on magic like RC/Counter Vanish, it just absorbs damage, including punches.

Ruler inverts/absorbs magic. If Ban, for example, uses physical hunt on Demon King, Ban ends up getting weaker instead of adding DK's power to his own.

However, if Ban inverts physical hunt to give power while Ruler is active, DK gets weakened.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Ruler inverts/absorbs magic. If Ban, for example, uses physical hunt on Demon King, Ban ends up getting weaker instead of adding DK's power to his own.

However, if Ban inverts physical hunt to give power while Ruler is active, DK gets weakened.

So how is the ruler supposed to work on rushing rock, take it out of existence? Heal the Demon king? What is the fight you guys were referring to maybe I can find it on YouTube.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Revenge Counter isn't based on magic like RC/Counter Vanish, it just absorbs damage, including punches.

i know I’m specifically referring to Gowther’s statements implying the attacks that hit him are magical. “He absorbed all these powers”

will edit the message with scan later

 

[ByAsura]

When Meliodas uses God Ripper, Elizabeth says it only absorbs the magic component. So, I imagine it'd leave the rock intact and maintain the kinetic energy, but siphon out its ability to be controlled.

Fight?

Gowther doesn't say they were magical (at least in all of the translations I've seen, but I can use the raws to get it verified if needed), he said Meliodas lowered all of his defences against magic. Characters in the series are more resistant to certain types of elemental magic.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

When Meliodas uses God Ripper, Elizabeth says it only absorbs the magic component. So, I imagine it'd leave the rock intact and maintain the kinetic energy, but siphon out its ability to be controlled.

That makes sense, cuz I’d imagined the rocks were telekinetically controlled.

Fight?

Like where the ruler “didn’t work” on rushing rock.

 

[ByAsura]

Oh, that's the one with Demon King in chapter 326.

Basically, Diane shatters his power source and makes an arena out of it.

@Makai Does Gowther just say magic attacks here?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Oh, that's the one with Demon King in chapter 326.

Basically, Diane shatters his power source and makes an arena out of it.

Oh okay, given the explaination, it would make sense why rush work wont work on the ruler.

Makai Does Gowther just say magic attacks here?

According to Viz she said “he absorbs the powers” or something like that. I’ll ask Arc and I’ll use the google translate for consistency.

 

[Zezu1995]

i remember when ruler reversed physical damage also but nabaka had to recton it

 

[Aether2734]

i remember when ruler reversed physical damage also but nabaka had to recton it

Because he will too op boundless with that thing
I can't even imagine how story lore sins will beat up demon king if the ruler can absorb both aspect passively, while this verse mainly doing those two aspect. So i don't blame nakaba for retcon he made

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Makai Does Gowther just say magic attacks here?

After looking at the kanji, I see that magic power is mentioned two times on the right speech bubble.

I assumed it was used once for “defenseless against all magic” and the other for “Charge all the power that he was taking”

I asked @Arc7Kuroi for confirmation and he said it’s correct.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

So this supports the fact that if the ruler was truly active against “rush rock” then it is supposed to take away her ability to control the rocks but the rock’s kinetic energy will remain.