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Four Knights of the Apocalypse/Nanatsu no Taizai Main Discussion Thread

I mean no evidence of a 3x amp.

Also, what are you talking about? Meland is vastly inferior to Demon Mark Tristan, and got damaged by Percy, whom Tristan mutually knocked out.

You already asked and got an answer.

No. They have different scaling.
 
ByAsura said:
I mean no evidence of a 3x amp.

Also, what are you talking about? Meland is vastly inferior to Demon Mark Tristan, and got damaged by Percy, whom Tristan mutually knocked out.

You already asked and got an answer.

No. They have different scaling.
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That was a rage boosted Demon Tristian and we know rage makes demons much stronger. That was hope amp Percy that’s how hax hope magic is. Also they got much stronger.
 
speedster352 said:
That was a rage boosted Demon Tristian and we know rage makes demons much stronger.
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Even if that were the case here, which is not implied at all, they literally never came to blows because Tristan instantly de-marked after stomping Meland like it was nothing.

There is no comparison to be made.
speedster352 said:
That was hope amp Percy that’s how hax hope magic is.
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Sure, I suppose that's fair.
speedster352 said:
Also they got much stronger.
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Who?
 
ByAsura said:
Even if that were the case here, which is not implied at all, they literally never came to blows because Tristan instantly de-marked after stomping Meland like it was nothing.

There is no comparison to be made.

Sure, I suppose that's fair.

Who?
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Tristian is still in demon mark as the chapter concludes and says he can’t control himself.
 
ByAsura said:
Even if that were the case here, which is not implied at all, they literally never came to blows because Tristan instantly de-marked after stomping Meland like it was nothing.

There is no comparison to be made.

Sure, I suppose that's fair.

Who?
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I think all of them pretty much scale to the same values iirc so them fusing should mix their values in 1 being imo but i don’t remember exactly the values
 
speedster352 said:
He is getting boosted by rage like all demons do literally that’s how demon mark is activated
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Then emotions aren't always an amp in and of themselves, they can just lead to transformations that are amps. Either way, your logic really doesn't change anything because Tristan was already transformed before, thus supposedly having this rage boost even while wrecking Snake Mel.

Also, we have no evidence that emotion amps are so gigantic. Meliodas and Ban's power levels only increased by a few hundred, and Zeldris only managed to cut down Mael very briefly with a sword before getting downed by him.
 
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ByAsura said:
Then emotions aren't always an amp in and of themselves, they can just lead to transformations that are amps. Either way, your logic really doesn't change anything because Tristan was already transformed before, thus supposedly having this rage boost even while wrecking Snake Mel.

Also, we have no evidence that emotion amps are so gigantic. Meliodas and Ban's power levels only increased by a few hundred, and Zeldris only managed to cut down Mael very briefly before getting downed by him.
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Zeldris nearly bisected mael remember and blitzed him too. Tristian is enraged when meland attack isolde.
 
Btw, shouldn't demon king and meliodas has planetary range due their enviromental destruction confirmed to be worldwide, and also interdimensional range for demon since he can steal away meliodas soul from purgatory?
 
speedster352 said:
Zeldris nearly bisected mael remember and blitzed him too. Tristian is enraged when meland attack isolde.
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I literally mentioned that in the same post you're quoting.

And no, he didn't even bisect Mael. Zeldris just cut his stomach with a darkness blade and proceeded to get one-shot by his saucers while in an even more enraged state.

Honestly, I don't even see the point in arguing. There's still no comparison to actually be made between Demon Tristan, whose multiplier isn't even known since he's half-goddess, and Meland.
Aether_ said:
Btw, shouldn't demon king and meliodas has planetary range due their enviromental destruction confirmed to be worldwide, and also interdimensional range for demon since he can steal away meliodas soul from purgatory?
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For the last time, this isn't confirmed. Ya'll are taking that summary I gave way out of context.

Interdimensional range is fine.
 
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ByAsura said:
I literally mentioned that in the same post you're quoting.

And no, he didn't even bisect Mael. Zeldris just cut his stomach with a darkness blade and proceeded to get one-shot by his saucers while in an even more enraged state.

Honestly, I don't even see the point in arguing. There's still no comparison to actually be made between Demon Tristan, whose multiplier isn't even known since he's just a half-goddess, and Meland.

For the last time, this isn't confirmed. Ya'll are taking that summary I gave way out of context.

Interdimensional range is fine.
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Look at the blood loss and it’s very clearly close to bisection.
ByAsura said:
I literally mentioned that in the same post you're quoting.

And no, he didn't even bisect Mael. Zeldris just cut his stomach with a darkness blade and proceeded to get one-shot by his saucers while in an even more enraged state.

Honestly, I don't even see the point in arguing. There's still no comparison to actually be made between Demon Tristan, whose multiplier isn't even known since he's just a half-goddess, and Meland.

For the last time, this isn't confirmed. Ya'll are taking that summary I gave way out of context.

Interdimensional range is fine.
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Wouldn’t the is also apply to true magic Meliodas for affecting DK in purgatory? Still other accept it so it’s fine to be worldwide.
 
ByAsura said:
I literally mentioned that in the same post you're quoting.

And no, he didn't even bisect Mael. Zeldris just cut his stomach with a darkness blade and proceeded to get one-shot by his saucers while in an even more enraged state.

Honestly, I don't even see the point in arguing. There's still no comparison to actually be made between Demon Tristan, whose multiplier isn't even known since he's half-goddess, and Meland.

For the last time, this isn't confirmed. Ya'll are taking that summary I gave way out of context.

Interdimensional range is fine.
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Zeldris was heavily fatigued remember that’s why he was one shot by tricking light blades his weakness.
 
ByAsura said:
I literally mentioned that in the same post you're quoting.

And no, he didn't even bisect Mael. Zeldris just cut his stomach with a darkness blade and proceeded to get one-shot by his saucers while in an even more enraged state.

Honestly, I don't even see the point in arguing. There's still no comparison to actually be made between Demon Tristan, whose multiplier isn't even known since he's half-goddess, and Meland.

For the last time, this isn't confirmed. Ya'll are taking that summary I gave way out of context.

Interdimensional range is fine.
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Why did you leave the chat?
 
speedster352 said:
Look at the blood loss and it’s very clearly close to bisection.
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Look at the second panel. It's very clear that isn't the case, and the blood just sprayed outward.
speedster352 said:
Still other accept it so it’s fine to be worldwide.
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'Others accept it' isn't enough. There's literally no ******* statement that says this.
speedster352 said:
Zeldris was heavily fatigued remember that’s why he was one shot by tricking light blades his weakness.
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Firstly, 'fatigued' wouldn't change his durability.

Secondly, who says he was fatigued? He's literally doing this just prior. The only time he shows fatigue is after Mael one-shots him.
speedster352 said:
Why did you leave the chat?
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Because it's tiresome. Don't add me to another one, thank you.
 
ByAsura said:
Look at the second panel. It's very clear that isn't the case, and the blood just sprayed outward.

'Others accept it' isn't enough. There's literally no ******* statement that says this.

Firstly, 'fatigued' wouldn't change his durability.

Secondly, who says he was fatigued? He's literally doing this just prior.

Because it's tiresome. Don't add me to another one, thank you.
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Yeah he healed himself remember mael has mid regeneration he still was nearly bisected that’s why it took a while for him to heal and off guard a fatigued Zeldris. He was still fatigued you know this he is just moving trough will power.
 
What's all to it is that Zeldris didn't get a massive power boost, just enough to strike down Mael with a weapon.
 
And I said I disagree with that being it, but oh well, I don't care.
 
Both of you are saying they only damaged each other because they were each caught off guard. This isn't Dragon Ball. There's no 'caught off guard' that lowers durability.

Of course there's speed/reaction time, but that's immaterial here.
 
VsReferee said:
Only when mael is caught off guard
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What do you mean his rage amp blitzed and nearly cut Mael in half? Stop with the off guard stuff they were both clearly fighting each other. Mael had to off guard a fatigued Zeldris to beat him so Zeldris still scales to Mael.
ByAsura said:
And I said I disagree with that being it, but oh well, I don't care.
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Also Meliodas took hits from ash demon Hendrickson who is equivalent to Albion’s so his durabity needs to go up.
 
ByAsura said:
Both of you are saying they only damaged each other because they were each caught off guard. This isn't Dragon Ball. There's no 'caught off guard' that lowers durability.

Of course there's speed/reaction time, but that's immaterial here.
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Yeah but they still scale to each other. That’s all.
 
I was thinking about that, but Meliodas has much more consistently been harmed by way weaker opponents than himself, so it just means that someone only twice as strong isn't capable of dealing insane damage to him. Plus, he takes way more damage than Hendy himself and almost completely fails to harm either of them with weaponry capable of carving up opponents on Meliodas' level.

Zel and Mael scaling to each other is fine. I'm not contesting that.
 
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ByAsura said:
I was thinking about that, but Meliodas has much more consistently been harmed by way weaker opponents than himself, so it just means that someone only twice as strong isn't capable of dealing insane damage to him. Plus, he takes way more damage than Hendy himself and almost completely fails to harm either of them with weaponry capable of carving up opponents on Meliodas' level.

Zel and Mael scaling to each other is fine. I'm not contesting that.
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Still his durability it’s should scale or just be likely far higher.
 
Again, it doesn't need to.

It just means that Hendrickson can't inflict very heavy damage on Mel.

Speaking of which, one Dark Nebula does this to Meliodas from long range. Clearly Meliodas (who potentially got somewhat of a rage amp during that Revenge Counter scene) was still taking heavy damage from Hendy before Elizabeth blasted him with Goddess Magic.
 
speedster352 said:
What do you mean his rage amp blitzed and nearly cut Mael in half? Stop with the off guard stuff they were both clearly fighting each other. Mael had to off guard a fatigued Zeldris to beat him so Zeldris still scales to Mael.

Also Meliodas took hits from ash demon Hendrickson who is equivalent to Albion’s so his durabity needs to go up.
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That is what I mean, mael just turned around if I recall correctly.
Zeldris wasn't that fatigued tbh. I didn't see any signs of it.

Can you post a scan of them? I am not on pc yet. Maybe you were right
 
ByAsura said:
Again, it doesn't need to.

It just means that Hendrickson can't inflict very heavy damage on Mel.

Speaking of which, one Dark Nebula does this to Meliodas from long range. Clearly Meliodas (who potentially got somewhat of a rage amp during that Revenge Counter scene) was still taking heavy damage from Hendy before Elizabeth blasted him with Goddess Magic.
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A likely higher is warranted or just amping his durability.
 
ByAsura said:
Again, it doesn't need to.

It just means that Hendrickson can't inflict very heavy damage on Mel.

Speaking of which, one Dark Nebula does this to Meliodas from long range. Clearly Meliodas (who potentially got somewhat of a rage amp during that Revenge Counter scene) was still taking heavy damage from Hendy before Elizabeth blasted him with Goddess Magic.
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That's what durabilty is lol also How's life mate?
 
Majinere566 said:
so what's tier is melagaland?
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I think could be at echanment level tristan,
If i was not wrong
Base tristan = vessel tarmiel (20.5 teratons)
Echanment type amp 3 times so (61.5 teratons)
But this even echanment type significantly still under demon mark tristan power
(123 teratons)

with recent chapter we know demon mark tristan can stomp snake melascula even meland. So definitely i think there's no way to put meland in same level demon mark tristan.

Meland definitely fodder at this time
 
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