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Can you give links to those feats, statments, and calcs?
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Fate Servant Tiering CRT continued
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" 'Natural Monster' (Õñ®µÇºÒü«Ú¡ö, Tensei no Ma?) is a Skill endowed to those who were given birth as a monster rather than to a hero or god that has fallen down to the level of a Magical Beast. "RegisNex1232 said:
" Asterios has attained a Rank of STR and END that is absolutely impossible for a human body."
Nothing about this says anything was Ranked Up. It just says he's really strong.
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Mad Enhancement (þïéÕîû, Kyōka?, localized as "Blind Rage") is the Class Skill that characterizes a Berserker, raising basic parameters and strengthens one's physical abilities in exchange of hindering mental capacities and/or in exchange for their sense of reason. In some cases, it also affects and/or seals away some techniques, Personal Skills and Noble Phantasms.
Natural Body (Õñ®µÇºÒü«Þéëõ¢ô, Tensei no Nikutai?) is the possession of a perfect body as a living being since birth.
Rank A: User Sakata Kintoki;
Naturally, he has a complete (golden) body as a living being. Grants a plus modifier to his STR. Furthermore, even without training, he's still beyond brawny. No matter how many calories he ingests, his body shape will not change.
Natural Body (Õñ®µÇºÒü«Þéëõ¢ô, Tensei no Nikutai?) is the possession of a perfect body as a living being since birth.
Rank A: User Sakata Kintoki;
Naturally, he has a complete (golden) body as a living being. Grants a plus modifier to his STR. Furthermore, even without training, he's still beyond brawny. No matter how many calories he ingests, his body shape will not change.
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And his other skills all deal with temporary and permanent boosts in offense and defense. Natural Monster just says his stats are impossible for human Servants to reach.
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Let's pause that discussion, Matt has some new things that could possibly change how we're going about this.
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And? Plus modifiers are still modifiers and not just general boosts. This hasn't changed at all.Paul Frank said:
ME guys also get Rank ups depending on ME skill level, so plus modifiers aren't included in.
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>Natural Body is having a perfect body since brith
>gives a + modifier
>somehow only temporary
What
>gives a + modifier
>somehow only temporary
What
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Like what will change the fact that using Parameters to equate to our Tiering is inherently flawed going by the profiles where this is not used at all?DragonEmperor23 said:
Wouldn't a general calc feat and scaling be better, and avoid the issue entirely?
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It's right there lol. Plus modifiers =/= permanent boosts like Rank ups. You can't say his active STR is always 100 all the time when plus modifiers don't work like that at all, so...Paul Frank said:
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I mean, the profiles do use parameters. Saber is currently 7-A for being able to kill Lancelot who is 7-A because he has an A rank in STR like Herc (the one with the feat) does.
Well, yeah Matt mentioned calcs and we could use those to scale.
Well, yeah Matt mentioned calcs and we could use those to scale.
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Did you read Monarch's earlier comment about retcons
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Matt is pretty in the loop about things. he is probably communicating to the revision team and thats where he got some information from, but this is only an inference from past post/blogs/threads.
Edit: i wasn't refering to only the cosmology blog... from what i heard there is also a team working on a complete revision for the verse, but that could also be a misunderstooding from what i read on past post/blogs/threads/comments.
Edit: i wasn't refering to only the cosmology blog... from what i heard there is also a team working on a complete revision for the verse, but that could also be a misunderstooding from what i read on past post/blogs/threads/comments.
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The revision team that's working on the cosmology blog?
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While B Rank STR Diarmuid and B+ Rank Fionn are 7-A as well for merely being comparable. How is this consistent?DragonEmperor23 said:
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Matt hasn't messaged me or anyone involved in the cosmology blog apart from Dargoo, and things haven't really progressed due to everyone's inactivity at times, including mine.TheUpgradeManHaHaxD said:
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Yeah, I know. It's not very sensical. Characters are given the same tier for being comparable to other characters yet instead of those characters having their own feats they are using Parameters to scale.
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I was just suggesting to not equate Parameters to Tiers and instead only look at feats and showings. Is this acceptable for everyone?DragonEmperor23 said:
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Yeah.
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Not explicitly but it has been implied many times.Monarch Laciel said:
Herc was able to counter Calabolg II with "all his might" in Fate Stay Night.
Achilles did a NP level punch against Chiron and killed him. If B+ was always active all his attacks would be NP level and he wouldn't have been at a stalemate against Siegfried.
Mordred couldn't cut through Siegfried's Armor of Fafnir, if B+ was always active she would have been able to do that. Plus the narration mentioned that the CS boost from Kairi was only so she could continuously deliver attacks that might cut through AoF, which implies that she could cut through it with the modifier active.
Heracles could overpower Asterios in Okeanos. Again wouldn't be possible if the + modifiers were always active.
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I think it was stated there that the reason Herc overpowerd Asterios is because herc is use to fighting monsters.
Which doesn't work if modifiers are always active given it's Asterios's A++ (150) vs Herc's A+ (100). Hence the point.
Which doesn't work if modifiers are always active given it's Asterios's A++ (150) vs Herc's A+ (100). Hence the point.
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No, it would still work. It would just be a matter of experience in fighting monsters making up for the remaining difference.
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Experience doesn't exactly help in a wrestling match against someone stronger than you. And it's not like Herc was winning, since they both got speared by Hector before victory was decided.Monarch Laciel said:
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It comes from scaling to Spartacus's explosion. I was given a link to a 6-C Gandiva calc but it linked to the results only and not the feat.
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6-C should be gone as well, I've said this multiple times in the past but spartacus's self destruct would only ever be 6-C if it happened to be comparable to a magnitude 10 earthquake which is not supported anywhere.
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True, the Spartacus stuff wasn't calculated at all.AguilaR101 said:
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With the way it is now, yeah. It's best to wait for Matt's stuff.
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? Why wait when we can just bring up what you ask for?DragonEmperor23 said:
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You mean like something specific? I just want more feats and statements besides what we have/have gone through and Matt says he has a bunch that could even be better than what the original ratings were.
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Sure, look at profiles and see what seems fishy to you and we can discuss it here. Matt says a lot for someone who isn't an expert and has miscalculated feats, and I wouldn't exactly take his word as being reliable.DragonEmperor23 said:
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I'm not talking about debunking anything that's currently on the profiles, but instead about any feats that aren't used for the profiles currently that could be. The Fergus Lily calc was mathematically correct but Repp disagreed with it being able to used for scaling purposes so I'm going to read his argument later. I understand Matt might not have the feats, but it's something to keep in mind unless we find anything on our own.
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We did just go over Herk's feat and just started Spartacus not having a calc, both of which are in the profiles. Isn't that the point of this thread, to fix and re-tier some profiles, with better scaling, calcs and reasoning?DragonEmperor23 said:
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Oh, okay. I misunderstood what you said.
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It's cool. You said you got linked to a Gandiva calc, want to discuss it?
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