Fate Servant Tiering CRT continued

[AguilaR101]

Forgot about those, yeah if they're High 7-A by multipliers they get dropped to higher and are rated based on how big the multipliers are.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Yeah, so we're in agreement.

 

[AguilaR101]

Can we start modifying the profiles then?

These are the ones that should be updated first since they're the frame of reference everyone uses to scale from:

Berserker (Fate/stay night) Excalibur (Fate), Calibur, Saber (Fate/stay night) and Saber Alter

Berserker

The rest of the servant stats can be worked out based on the changes done to these.

 

[Schnee_One]

I think we can continue yeah

There's a LOT of matches that need to be removed though man, I need to make a list

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Yeah.

 

[PlumCrayfish376]

Someone should create a calculation section in the Fate verse page so newcomers (like me) can see and understand where in the AP are the characters at.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Isn't there one at the bottom?

 

[PlumCrayfish376]

My bad, I was looking at the Fate/stay page, and not the Nasuverse page

 

[AguilaR101]

I've modified the aforementioned profiles, only one thing that needs to go is Berserker of Red (Spartacus) 6-C rating but I'm not knowledgable about apo to restructure it.

After that the rest of the servant profiles can be scaled accordingly.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Maybe use the Noble Phantasm ranks for comparison?

 

[RegisNex1232]

Maybe use the Noble Phantasm ranks for comparison?

Ranks are meaningless except for when they count in certain conditions. Best to look at actual feats and descriptions.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

The description is on the page as it being compared to a natural disaster. There aren't any feats of it being compared to other Noble Phantasm.

edit: Forgot about the Meteor feat, but that damaged his Saint Graph so it shouldn't scale to normal uses of the NP

 

[RegisNex1232]

The description is on the page as it being compared to a natural disaster. There aren't any feats of it being compared to other Noble Phantasm.

edit: Forgot about the Meteor feat, but that damaged his Saint Graph so it shouldn't scale to normal uses of the NP

The Apo feat isn't standard either due to leylines in Romania boosting his NP conversion rates. Both aren't standard Warmonger feats.

 

[AguilaR101]

From a quick glance to their profiles clarent blood arthur is supposedly comparable to caliburn , it's also stated to be comparable to excalibur and is also ranked A+ which is the peak rank of non-projected calibur, so true name release should probably be Mountain level+ from beig comparable to Excalibur but weaker, putting it on roughly the same level of caliburn.

That would scale to spartacus, karna and siegfried which fixes the Apo/6-C scaling, I think.

 

[AguilaR101]

OK, for the time being, can we update at least the rest of profiles of F/SN VN servants?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Yeah

 

[AguilaR101]

I took care of the F/SN servant profiles including Excalibur, Caliburn and Ea.

What's left:

• Master profiles (shirou, rin, sakura, etc)
• Gae bolg's profile
• Other NP profiles
• Profiles of practically every other servant in the franchise

It's a pretty huge verse, so it'd be best if we split up the work to finish this in a reasonable amount of time.

We only need to figure out what to do with the 6-C rating from Berserker of Red (Spartacus), I suggest it should be dropped to mountain level+ through scaling to claren blood arthur which is stated to be not inferior to excalibur and is the same ranking as caliburn, same for all other similarly rated NPs.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

How many NP profiles do we have?

Also, where does scaling it to CBA come from?

 

[AguilaR101]

Don't know exactly, will look them up.

It's through chain scaling

Clarent Blood Arthur is comparable (but somewhat weaker than) Excalibur, CBA scales to Balmung which is weaker than Brahmastra Kundala which is comparable to Spartacus self destruct given their similar ability to destroy the fortress of millenia.

This is based on the established scaling and justifications on the profiles.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Alright, that makes sense.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I am confused, why don't we just scale the Servants above Aoko meanwhile?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

In what way? The calc on her page has a result that's 22 tons.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Yeah, that was an oopsie on my part. The first calc was wrong but I misremembered the actual value after the Calc person was told about the full context.

Don't mind me.

 

[Paul_Frank]

make second key Roa 7-A or high 7-A for scaling to Arc then scale Dantes to him and upscale from there

 

[DragonEmperor23]

I have edited the profiles of the Casters.

 

[Schnee_One]

Of course this downgrade occurs right as Cole gets upgraded

ITS SERVANT KILLING TIME!

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

-Sad funerary music.-

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Im not sure what you guys make of this.. but in Archer Emiya's interlude he fights Hercules Beseker again. This is for his NP power up. Even though he was corrupted apparently his "Power is real."

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Of course this downgrade occurs right as Cole gets upgraded
ITS SERVANT KILLING TIME!

I hope you don't make Re: Sigurd vs Cole because i already planning it long time ago

 

[Schnee_One]

Evil Cole vs Sigurd?

Go ahead I guess

 

[John985]

I dont even know why velox want to create match with someone who got tons of ability with someone so few.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

>So few abilities

Tell that to Sigurd matches so far then :v

 

[Schnee_One]

Because Sigurd has more hax then Cole

 

[John985]

Because everytime I look at his abilities, it's wall of text.

But do you have any idea who can take Negi on 6-C?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Just because its wall of text doesn't mean it has useful hax, that's what i learn from Cole.

...Unless your name is Delsin or Brook

 

[AguilaR101]

I've modified the following profiles Mordred, Sieg, Karna and Spartacus based on the reasonings above, so 6-C scaling is more or less fixed.

I would help updating other profiles but I'm going to be busy this week up until sunday, should I post a brief summary of the changes so others can help updating them?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Yeah.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Its done baby!!!: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3077482

 

[AguilaR101]

This is a brief summary and more of a rule of thumb thing, one should pay close attention to the established scaling as well when applying changes

Physical Stats:

• 7-B Which are currently rated as City level+ become plain City level
• 7-A are now considered baseline

Noble Phantasms and Amps:

• High 7-A becomes higher and is rated as Mountain level+
  • If the rating is based off multipliers from base physical stats, rate based on how big the multiplier is, ie Gawain's 3x boost would only be higher, whereas Tamamo would be Mountain level+
• 6-C becomes either At least 7-A rated as At least Mountain level+
  • If the NP has direct feats making it equal to Excalibur Morga rate it High 7-A, Large Mountain level

 

[AguilaR101]

That out of the way, I think non-gimped Saber under Kirtisugu/Rin should be At least Mountain level+ while using Excalibur (Fate) given that it is superior to Calibur.